Talk:Li'l Abner

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Contents 1 Postage stamp image 2 Druthers 3 U.S. Newspapers? 4 Image copyright problem with Image:Bombface2.jpg

[edit] Postage stamp image

It has been argued at both Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics and Wikipedia:WikiProject Fair use that the usage of the image is not fair use since it is not being used to illustrate the stamp but rather the character. Hence it has been removed. User:Hiding talk 17:25, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Almost none of the stamp images employed on Wikipedia are used to "illustrate the stamp" rather than the subject of the article. It seems pretty clear that currently there is a widespread usage of stamps in the former way, and there's even an image template and image category for these particular types of images. Until our policies in this matter change, I don't see any reason to single out and remove this particular image. Gamaliel 17:39, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Have you checked what the template says?:

This image is of a United States postage stamp produced in 1978 or later. The copyright for it is owned by the United States Postal Service. It is believed that the use of postage stamps to illustrate the stamp in question (as opposed to the subject of the stamp) on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Other use of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Copyrights for more information.

Note it says it is not acceptable to use it to illustrate the subject of the stamp. It's best if you give your thoughts on that, rather than we just engage in a revert war. User:Hiding talk 19:30, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Honestly, I hadn't read the template before. Is there a page which describes our policies on stamps? There are certainly a lot of unanswered questions here, for me anyway. Why are pre-1978 stamps acceptable but not post-1978 stamps? Why are stamps less acceptable than book covers? Why can't the fact that the article mentions the stamp be an excuse for fair use, or using the stamp to illustrate the social significance of a subject be fair use? In any case, I'm not sure what a discussion between only two people will accomplish, because if what this template says should be binding WP policy, then there are a lot of editors and articles which will be affected. Gamaliel 20:00, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

The template was probably written by Wikipedia:WikiProject Fair use. Our fair use policies are slowly being tightened due to legal advice, as best as I can understand it. As to other articles, I can't really speak on them, only that we've been discussing this article and image at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics and have inclined towards removing it. Note technically the image has no source and can be listed for speedy deletion anyway. User:Hiding talk 20:27, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

As to the 1978 thing, I believe copyright laws in the United States changed in that year, although I am not American so I am not 100% positive on that. I actually do agree with you that since the article mentions the stamp it constitutes fair use but the consensus leant the other way. I'm happy to leave well enough alone for now. User:Hiding talk 20:30, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Druthers

Al Capp did not originate "druthers"--first occurred 1870. (I put this here just to make sure someone doesn't put it back!) Hcethatsme 01:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] U.S. Newspapers?

QUOTING THE ARTICLE: "Li'l Abner was a comic strip in United States newspapers, featuring a fictional clan of hillbillies in the impoverished town of Dogpatch."

I expect that this hereabove sentence was written by an Amuricun editur.

I'm perty shure that that Amuricun editur is immensely proud that the immortal "Li'l Abner" is an Amuricun comic strip. And if he or she is NOT immensely proud of that fackt, then they bloody well oughta bee (and thats putting it increidibly perlitely).

And I do trooly appreciate that the town of Dogpatch is in one of the United States of Amurica (thoo I cant rite noe remember wich one.)

Not, with and standing all of the above, this artickle oughta take into account that this incredibul comic strip appeared in noospapers BEYAWNED thoes of the United States of Amurica, including, to my certain nawledge, noospapers in Canada. (For thoes whoes geeographee is week, Canada is the cuntree just north of the aformenshunned United States of Amurica.)

Wanderer57 (talk) 05:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Yah, shoor, yoo betcha! Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 08:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Bombface2.jpg

The image Image:Bombface2.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

• That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
• That this article is linked to from the image description page.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --21:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)