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[edit] Merge time

I have looked around, and the only example I have seen of "other media" appearances being separated into another article is Joker (comics). Keep in mind that particular article has always been loaded with bullets and original research, which contributes to its excessive length. I think its premature for Lex Luthor in other media to exist as a separate article. Johnnyfog 17:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

On the contrary, wikipedia lists several fictional character having independent articles showcasing their media adaptations.

and the list goes on. As with other featured and GA articles on fictional characters, the article's main purpose is about the fictional character in its original media (in this case comic books) and its real world context/impact. Alternate versions and Media adaptations are encouraged to be removed and/or summarized in the main article and go into deeper detail in a independent article.

This article should not merge and in fact, the bulk of the other media section should be moved to Lex Luthor in other media. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 05:12, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Point taken. I guess I wasn't aware that the original media was the sole focus of fictional character articles. Oh well, this is how you learn. I'm updating the other media article like you suggested.Johnnyfog (talk) 05:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Nicely done. If you (or any editor) wish to see this article advanced to Featured article status. I would suggest using Captain MarvelImage:LinkFA-star.png, BatmanImage:LinkFA-star.png, Barbara Gordon and Batwoman as a guide. This article currently lacks a publication history and is too focused on the fictional stories in which the character appears. The publication history should have the primary focus of the entire article (why was this character created? How did DC comic attempt to popularize the character? Why? What real world examples (LA times, New York Times, CNN) are there of how this character has impacted pop culture?). If you use the Captain Marvel article as a guide, it doesnt even give a Fictional Character Biography section, but focuses solely on the publication (real world) history of the character.
Alternate version should be under a "See also" section with a single link to another separate article. The Silver, Bronze and Morden age sections of the Fictional character biography should be reduced to very basic plot summaries that to not go into unnecessary detail. As with Barbara Gordon, the article could very easily come close to losing its GA status if experienced editors decide to review it. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 06:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Original Research (regarding Luthor's current origin)

There has been a recent attempt in this article to introduce original research into Luthor's current origin. The original research tries to imply that Luthor's origin has been rolled back to MOS, which as anyone who reads the comics knows, is untrue. Once citations were provided against these claims, whoever is doing this tried to downplay these aspects and play up the ones they liked. The current origin seems to be a mix of MANY different interpretation of Lex, and we still don't know his complete history yet. Or that of Superman. We should be on the lookout for anyone who would try to alter these related sections without citations.

I've also noticed this happened in other Superman articles, such as "The Origin of Superman" article. NotSuper (talk) 22:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lex and Conner Kent

In the "Infinite Crisis" section, the article says that Luthor has shown atypical compassion for Conner Kent (the Superboy who died in that miniseries). It neglects to say that Conner, originally thought to be some kind of clone of Superman, had been revealed (in the first story arc of the current Teen Titans comic) to have some of Luthor's DNA as well. Pogofan (talk) 18:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Non-free image overuse tag

Editors enforcing Non-free content policies work in different ways, but I use this tag. It's not a "delete stuff now!" tag, but a "does everything here conform with our non-free policy?" tag. I have been tagging all articles with 10 or more non-free images (or in some case just deleting the images if they're obviously in violation). However before the question of number of images, there's NFCC#8 to consider - "Non-free content is used only if ... its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." - so how many of the images here pass that section? Black Kite 00:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I think some of them can be justfied. I think the ones in the Origin, Relationships, One Year Later and Countdown could all be removed though. I don't think they depict anything much different than the infox image.--Rockfang (talk) 02:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] archiving

Would anyone mind if I set up archiving for this talk page? I'm thinking 90 days would be a good timeframe for moving of old discussions.--Rockfang (talk) 02:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and did it for you. Johnnyfog 17:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
In the future, you may want to wait for people to share their opinions on archiving before actually doing it.--Rockfang (talk) 19:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Archiving is not usually a controversial move. However, for the sake of keeping roughly to the 90 days you specified I've de-archived some of the moved material. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree with your comment about it being non controversial, but typically a consensus should be reached before archiving the talk page of an article.--Rockfang (talk) 19:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lex - Removal From Office

This sentence is really clunky and confusing: "A cadre of superheroes eventually break ranks from the Justice League and Batman, who forbid any attempt to unseat Luthor from office by force, and storm the White House." I propose instead that it be broken up and read: "A cadre of superheroes eventually break ranks from the Justice League to oppose Luthor. Batman, who had previously forbid any attempt to unseat Luthor from office by force, led the storming of the White House." Of course, I'm making an assumption on the details of the event since I'm not familiar with the comics run, but either way, that sentence needs revised. -- RS (talk) 06:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I made the change since no one voiced an opposing view. If the information is incorrect, feel free to fix it, just try to make it grammatically correct.  :) -- RS (talk) 11:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)