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[edit] Fact check

As a Uk mason I can tell you that Lewis do publish all Craft and royal arch rituals!


[edit] Vanity article?

This needs to be seriously thought about with respect to the term "encyclopedic", especially since it becomes a vanity article about Martin Faulks (who seems to have posted the thing in the first place, according to the history), who definitely falls under non-notability. MSJapan 16:31, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Still needs more citations....

I removed the vanity material and some unnecessary info, but what's left still needs citations. MSJapan 21:52, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fact check

I have recently come across a wikipedia article on Lewis Masonic publishing co. (I suspect it is a vanity Article placed by someone at the firm... but that is besides the point) In the intro, The article states: "Lewis Masonic, founded in 1886, the largest and longest standing masonic publisher in the world. Lewis Masonic is a brand known to every English Freemason as Lewis produces the ritual books used by all UGLE lodges and chapters." I know there are several rituals used in England... are they ALL published by Lewis Masonic? Blueboar 16:21, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I would doubt that, but look and see what's on Amazon UK. There's 47 or so rituals in use, though, and they're not all on Amazon. Maybe ALR could save us a lot of trouble and call them up and ask if they publish everything? Nevertheless, as it stands, the article is really a vanity article about Faulks (who posted the thing in the first place). It comes down to "Lewis is a little company that Martin Faulks resurrected because of his advertising ability". The second paragraph is also questionable, as the lewis definition as stated applies only to UGLE and its furnishings. At least in the US, we consider a lewis to be a second generation Mason, and I've never seen a real one. I'm probably going to AfD or pare down that article at some point, depending on how factual any of it really is. MSJapan 16:39, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I can drop Martin an email, I got a catalogue through the post a little while ago and will check that if I can find it. I don't imagine that they'll produce all of them, some won't be viable and I know of some rituals which are just typed sheets. And from a discussion at GL yesterday apparently they won't be publishing the new version of the Complete Royal Arch ritual, following SGCs changes, as sales aren't high enough to warrant it. FWIW it does read as a vanity article and I'm not sure they're notable enough in their own right.ALR 16:47, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Lewis is a term in general masonic use (in England) for a 2nd generation Freemason. In the Mark degree (In England anyway) the candidate is told to look after his elderly parent with the strength of a "Lewis grip". Imacomp 12:10, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Lewis is known as German Lufton or Louton, French Louveteau or Louvetou. There's also a song, written by Goston, included in the Constitution of 1738: May a Lewis be born. 84.61.5.97 21:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
That's what I thought. Is there any reference ragrding it as furnishing as stated in the article? Also, since there is an article, we should move the discussion over there, I think. MSJapan 06:50, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I have no proof for the first paragraph, sorry. But why not move those two last paragraphs to a new article Lewis (Freemasonry) plus my information about the song and other countries? This first paragraph could be moved to Ian Allan Publishing and the article Lewis Masonic could become a redirect? webmaster@sgovd.org, 84.61.7.55 07:09, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From Martin Faulks

Hello all. Yes I put this page up some time ago after one of our authors mentioned lewis should have a section. I am sorry I dont know much about Wikapedia so I am realy in your hands. If you want anymore details or would like a graphic let me know. Lewis does indeed do all MAJOR craft and Royal Arch rituals. Some lodges or chapters have there own variations and some rituals (like bristol) are not published at all.

[edit] Complete Royal Arch ritual

Yes we are producing the new vertion of this ritual. Its being edited now. How do I see the bit about myself that has been removed. Can some one email it to me. I find it hard to belive its possible to say much about a man who sells books for a living.

Glad of that :) I'm not really looking forward to my year as PS with the current version! As to reading previous versions, if you click on the history tab at the top of the page it will show you the various versions. You can step through them and see who has added, or deleted, what. Here[[1]] is the page. Incidentally can you sign your entries with ~~~~. Thanks ALR 09:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Do the external links meet with Wikipedia guidelines? I don't know if they would count as commercial sites or not. Blueboar 17:58, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Lewis Masonic is probably appropriate, given the subject, I'm not convinced about Ian Allan Publishing. Although an interesting demonstration of synchronicity, I was gardening yesterday and realised some of the organic fertiliser I was putting down is made by Chase Organics, a division of Ian Allan Group and publishers of the Henry Doubleday Research Association[[2]] catalogue [[3]]. HDRA is an organic gardening association which I belong to :) Odd how the world works isn't it! ALR 20:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent edits

Just for the record, the reversions made by 84.66.87.216 (talk · contribs) reintroduced all the errors I corrected, as well as adding unsourced criticisms (page numbers without a book are not terribly helpful). I have therefore reverted to my version, and have done some further minor cleaning-up on the article. MSJapan 20:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Ms Japan

"Criticism

Lewis Masonic has its critics. The biggest being the anti Masonic author Martin Short. In his book “Inside the Brotherhood” he criticises Lewis Masonic for publishing books written by J S M Ward and Manly P Hall after UGLE disapproved of both authors (Page 103).

Later in the same work Lewis Masonic is accused of making money by playing to the paranoia of masons and of plotting with the Grand Secretary to drive a Mr Arthur Edmonds out of business (Page 639). "

Please notice the book is mentioned and always has been,

Well, no it isn't, actually. It appears nowhere in the article (never did), and furthermore, criticism is not exactly notable if it only appears in one work by an author with an acknowledged bias. Please read WP:CITE and the Wikipedia tutorial before making any more changes to the article. MSJapan 22:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is Look In his book “Inside the Brotherhood”.

That's not the point. Where does the title of the book appear as a citation in this article? A magic page number isn't good enough. Furthermore, is it really legitimate criticism, and furthermore, is it really important? You also didn't answer my question about the extent of the criticism. As I said, please read the appropriate guideline pages. MSJapan 13:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


The name of his book is inside the brotherhood. It says that in the article and always has. I think this is a valid thing to mention as it shows the other view of Lewis. Even if it is by someone who does not trust freemasonry.


Do you get it yet. the book writen by martin short is called "inside the brother hood". that sit s name. its called "inside" the Brotherhood" the book is called that!

Alright, this article needs some severe citation work. Anonymous editors insert information that is not up to standards for encyclopedic content or citation requirements. Please do not add information without either discussing it with people on this talk page or citing your information. Even with a citation, a discussion is encouraged as well. Lenore Schwartz 15:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


Do you think we should add some information about the recent mainstream publishing of lewis masonic with "turning the Hiram key and the Rosslyn hoax. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wong fu hung (talk • contribs) 16:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)