Talk:Level of support for evolution

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Level of support for evolution was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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[edit] Error in chart

In the second chart in the section on public support in the United States, the two final columns have identical headings. But the data are different. Is this an error? JBFrenchhorn (talk) 00:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it looks like a mistake. In my defense, I did not add that table. I have been slowly rewriting the entire article, so most of what you currently see will be replaced when I get finished. I just have not been as careful in keeping track of the changes others make I guess for that reason.--Filll (talk) 01:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

It's two separate polls -- the trouble is that the table makes no attempt to distinguish between them -- first ('Creationist') & last columns are from one poll, middle two are from another. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 02:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they should be distinguished in some way, especially given the wide disparity between the last to columns on what % of Republicans believe in evolution. Maybe it should be divided into two charts, or just mentioned in the texts that different polls have shown conflicting data. Or maybe the older poll should be deleted. I don't know. JBFrenchhorn (talk) 02:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Physics of Time Asymmetry

Irrelevant discussion of time asymmetry

The following is an archived debate. Please do not modify it.

Should we move the discussion here? Doug Youvan (talk) 01:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

No! Unless of course you can cite WP:RSs that state that a significant number (per WP:DUE) of scientists base their support (or lack thereof) of evolution on the "Physics of Time Asymmetry". Otherwise, this discussion is completely off-topic and will be removed. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 02:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I was planning to give quotes from notable scientists who believe the Boltzmann H-theorem is true, thus providing (again, quoted) a forward time period for biological evolution to have occured.Doug Youvan (talk) 18:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Do they base their support for evolution solely or substantially on that point? (If not, it's irrelevant.) Are they speaking on behalf of a significant proportion of scientists on this point? (If not, to mention them would violate WP:UNDUE.) This article is on the "level of support for evolution" -- not 'all things that even remotely underlie evolution' -- if it were it'd need a a section on Quantum Mechanics and who knows what else. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 19:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you restate your last comment in the positive, so I can restrict my search to what is acceptable for this article? Doug Youvan (talk) 06:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Nothing relating to the "physics of time asymmetry" will ever be relevant to this artice. This article is about the degree of acceptance of evolution. It is not, and never will be, about the physics of time asymmetry. Is this sufficiently clear now? --Robert Stevens (talk) 07:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

It should be blindingly obvious: examples that are "speaking on behalf of a significant proportion of scientists" where they "base their support for evolution solely or substantially on [the point that "the Boltzmann H-theorem is true, thus providing ... a forward time period for biological evolution to have occured"]". But like Robert says, this is irrelevant, so you will not be able to find sources making this leap. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 07:50, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, so that doesn't work. Is there anything else I can research for you as a biophysicist / creationist? I will gladly argue either for or against Creation and Evolution. The molecular mechanism of Darwinian Evolution is something that interests me. Also, Tom Jukes was my first Ph.D. mentor at Berkeley, and I can dig up his publications that were used to combat Creationists in the California Public Schools, ca. 40 years ago. He had a monthly line into Nature. Doug Youvan (talk) 17:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Error in chart

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