Talk:Leung Kwok-hung

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I've got two questions on this description: "Leung ran again in the LegCo Election 2004, and generated significant support from the Internet community. With the increase in the number of directly elected seats and his high votes in 2000," 1) What is "significant support from the internet? 2) Did directly elected seat increase 2004? 3) Why "long hair" photo is removed?

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Please read your talk page if you have not done this already. Gazpacho 22:16, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Big Changes 2 Not taken serious 3 Positions? 4 "Long Hair"

[edit] Big Changes

I have made major changes to the Career as Legislator section and completely deleted the April Fifth Action section.

My justifications:

The April Fifth Action section simply copies from the article and does not add anything of substance.

The Career as Legislator section was extremely poor in NPOV. As reference, it appears below.

For the swearing-in ceremony of the Hong Kong Legislative Council on Oct 6, 2004, his fellow members arrived in their best business attire. Long Hair wore a T-shirt with Tiananmen Square on the front and Che Guevara on the back. When he was called to come forward and take the oath, he raised his left fist, encircled with a black wristband to remember those who died in 1989.

Leung had planned to redo the oath of office, but a Hong Kong judge said such a step would make it impossible for him to serve. Instead, the new legislator added his own messages to the standard oath. He demanded vindication for those killed in the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown (http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9606/04/tianamen.anniv/). He called for the release of political prisoners and an end to one-party rule on the mainland.

"Long live democracy!" he shouted. "Long live the people!" Then he was sworn in as a council member. As with almost everything that goes on now in Hong Kong, the real concern is how the mainland sees Leung's protests. His statements touch on raw truths, the combustible stuff that most people are afraid to say too loudly, especially in an official chamber.

This community remembers the uncertainty brought by street protests last year after the government tried to clamp down on security, and it now wonders what the central government will do to Leung, to the council and maybe even to Hong Kong. The possibilities are draconian, but currently Legco (http://www.legco.gov.hk/english/index.htm), the presiding chairwoman seemed more concerned that Leung was improperly dressed for LegCo meetings. One legislator commented that "Legco has to get used to Leung, and he has to get used to Legco."

Kelvinc 22:50, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Not taken serious

Although this might not be any relevance in the main article. However this an observation from me who came from Hong Kong about how Kwok Hung is seen in public. The people in Hong Kong never took Leung Kwok Hung as a serious politician, due to the lack of any proper educational speech he makes also he is often portraited in media as some sort of "clown". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hanchi (talk • contribs) . 21:57, November 30, 2005 (UTC)

Edit: To Janet13, 4th Dec 2005.

Dont forget that Hong Kong citizen's dont take politics seriously,even though Leung Kwok Hung was voted. The other politician and media calculates that by the next term of voting, Leung Kwok Hung will lose his seat due to being unserious and a majority Hong Kong people support the PRC government especially in New Territories area. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hanchi (talk • contribs) . 15:37, December 4, 2005 (UTC)

I don't agree with the guy above. I'm from Hong Kong too. I'm not a supporter of Leung but at least I don't regard him as a clown. Please be objective in a sense, and show any evidence to uphold your statements, if any. I do think Hong Kong citizens are mature enough to deal with politics. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 16:32, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

To Jerry Crimson

Do you live in New Territories at all? Dont forget that people in New Territories have a different view in politics than people down south (Hong Kong island). Also in New Territories various small villages aren't much supportive to Leung Kwok Hung. When I say "Clown" as in being embarrassed for him with his shouting and the incident when he raised his fist up and shouted pro democracy during his vow. Of course these points I made wont be found in newspaper or media report. However this is why I didnt put this writing in the MAIN article, since this a "discussion" page, then I can say whatever I want. Also this is from what everyday life Hong Kong people prefer to live their life "Just enjoy your day with a cup of tea and bun.". Politics and Democracy debate are usually mentioned most in Hong Kong island areas. These are views from a Hong Kong Chinese from New Territories, from Yuen Long to Lok Mau Chau area. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hanchi (talk • contribs) . 19:42, December 10, 2005 (UTC)

Not every one in the NT is called Johnny. I do live in the NT, but I'm not a pro-Beijing guy.

PS Do sign your name after adding your comment. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 20:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I live in Hong Kong. I have much things to say. And I quite support Mcy Jerry. Firstly, I think that there is a big big different ideology between the pro-PRC government parties and pro-democracy parties. Secondly, most villages in NT do support PRC government but I don't aggree with the unsigned guy above saying that he reprensents NT residents' views. I live in HK Island. You can't say that just HK island people support democracy. This is unfair to other districts' people. Yes, there are in fact more well-educated people in HK Island, but this does not show that other districts' people not keen on striking for democracy. Please the above unsigned guy pay attention. Thirdly, about Leung Kwok hung, I think that he is very serious on Hong Kong politic. He is just using some different or outstanding actions to express his opinions. I have always listened to his speeches in Legislative Council through radio broadcasting and I wonder how the speeches are the unsigned guy above likes. His speeches are very active and interesting and hit the topic. I just want to ask the guy that what he(or she) feel when Leung won in the LegCO. If he did not gain enough support in NT East district, how come he could get achievement in the election? His outstanding action appeared a long long ago before the election. If he wasn't serious, how he can seat in the Legislative Council? How about the pro-PRC legislative councilor? Are they very serious? Their hands(voting) are not cooperated with their mouths(opinions). Majority of HK people support Chinese government, majority of HK people do support demorcracy.(Addaick 14:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC))

Not every one in the NT is pro-Beijing. Please do not blame NT residents for being politically cold. Look at who 30% HK islanders are voting for -- Regina Ip. Please be objective in making your comments. Leung IS being taken seriously in NT and he has good reasons to stand out and talk like that. We should respect him for having the guts to challenge the system he viewed to be failing -- Daniel Boone 00:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Positions?

"Legislative Councillor for the Geographical Constituency for New Territories East 1998-present"; but in the intro material, it said he got voted in in 2004. Can someone explain this apparent contradition?

Thanks. Janet13 23:10, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The intro material is correct. He gets into LegCo since 2004.(Addaick 05:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC))

[edit] "Long Hair"

I think there's a bit of a problem here. Although long hair redirects here...what about people who want to read about the general idea of growing hair out? --Crucible Guardian 20:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. I came here and was like 'what? A socialist is AGAINST the PRC? how does that work?" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.63.142 (talk) 17:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

The redirect has been fixed. Rodparkes 03:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)