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[edit] List of songs

I think it would be helpful if there was a complete list of songs (covers and all) that were recorded during the sessions. If anyone has a list of that, it would greatly improve the article.\ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.122.9 (talk) 20:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The sessions were VERY long (actually and psychologically - I've seen the movie!) and the list would be long as well. If we did put it in Wikipedia, it is probably long enough to put as a separate "list" article. A discussion of the types and highlights might be useful here. (John User:Jwy talk) 21:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] review on the first paragraph

I noticed that in a few months the first paragraph has turned from a positive review to a negative review. Would it be better at least the first information presented not be based on a wikipedian or outside reviewer's opinion? Artistic value is usually a very subjective matter. --Fs 02:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't see it. Let's break the paragraph down:
Much of what became Let It Be was recorded in early 1969, with production by George Martin, before the release of the Abbey Road album.
Entirely neutral, statement of fact.
However, the Beatles were unhappy with the album and it was temporarily shelved.
Easily verified, statement of fact.
Let It Be was later "re-produced"
Fact
(some critics have said overproduced)
It might be better if some sources were quoted, but I think the release of Let It Be... Naked proves the point. (Personally, I prefer Spector's version, but personal opinion of Wikipedia editors is what we are trying to avoid). McCartney was sufficiently aggrieved with Spector's version to do something about it 30 years later, and he was able to convince the other surviving Beatles too.
by Phil Spector and, in 1970, it became the Beatles' final release.
Fact.
Let It Be is sometimes seen as one of the Beatles' weaker albums, though, as critic Richie Unterberger notes, "a substandard Beatles record is better than almost any other group's best work."
Again, we could maybe use some citations of reviews, but I don't see anything non-neutral here. When was the last time you ever heard a professional reviewer single out Let It Be as one of the outstanding Beatles albums? Never, I'd guess. I don't think we can avoid reporting the disappointment of the Let It Be project - it's encyclopedic and needs to be reported.
At the end of the day, this is a wiki, so go ahead and make changes you see fit - or propose them here. --kingboyk 12:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Live album

Why not Let it Be is a live album? --Mr. Manu 01:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Let It Be guitar solos

I am completely confused on the guitar solos of the Let It Be song. I have no idea which one came first, which one was approved or disapproved by the producers. I think a Beatles expert needs to explain this better. One thing I do know is that this version of Harrison's guitar solo is the best of all that I've heard. It simply flows with the song perfectly yet I can't find it on any of the albums! I know for a fact it wasn't on Let It Be or Past Masters II---Secret Agent Man 19:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The way I understand it is as follows. During the Get Back Sessions, when the final version of the song was recorded George felt like he hit a few bad notes and was unhappy with his solo. Because the Beatles were trying not to overdub on this album it was just left alone. When the project was scrapped it was forgotten. This version I believe is found on the album version of "Let It Be." Later, when the tapes had been given to Phil Spector and the Beatles had dissolved, George went back into the studio and recorded a new solo for the song, which he liked better. This version is found on the single version which is found on "Beatles 1." Unfortunately the YouTube video is gone. My source for this information is "Revolution in the Head" but I read it awhile ago so I might have confused some parts. Additionally I once heard yet a third version of the solo on the radio, which the deejay said was "special" and never said why it was special. This may in fact be the version with a few bad notes, and the one from YouTube, but that I cannot tell. Signed, theBraveToaster 19:54 13 September 2006

[edit] Talking between songs

Who did the talking/intros of songs? Like at the end of Dig It? Was it one of The Beatles? Kinda sounded like Eric Idle or someone else lol. DarkSideOfTheSpoon 02:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

It is the various Beatles' voices you hear. Paul did the "That was 'Can You Dig It?' by Georgie Wood" bit. Danthemankhan 00:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] (album)

Why isn't this (or equally well the disambiguation page) on Let It Be instead of on Let It Be (album) and Let It Be (disambiguation) respectively? It seems odd to have the main page just redirect to a subpage. -Senori 00:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I know in general pages should not contain dab words unless the "main slot" (Let It Be in this case) is occupied. However, in this case there are 3 Let It Be's by the Beatles - an album, a song and a film. I felt that it would be better to make it clear that this article is about the album by so naming it. Let It Be is a redirect rather than a dab page because dab pages are a last resort; in this case it seemed reasonable to deliver the Beatles album article to anybody typing in "Let It Be", as my disambiguation work showed that this accounted for most incoming links. Crazy I might be, but there's my rationale :) --kingboyk 10:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Just quickly looking at Wikipedia:Disambiguation, this doesn't seem to be quite the established way.
Beyond that, however, having Let It Be (album) on Let it Be would accomplish the same as having Let it Be redirect here, and have the advantage of fewer disambig titles appended. -Senori 20:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Senori. I remember thinking the same thing, but I don't recall if I ever mentioned it anywhere. Let It Be (album) should be moved to Let It Be. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 03:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
The current setup is wrong because the redirect is reflexive and Template:Redirect is being misused. There are two correct scenerios:

[edit] Neil Aspinall?? ... George Martin??

I noticed an unfamiliar name credited along with Phil Spector as a producer of the album. The name is Neil Aspinall and his personal article says he was the Beatles' road manager. It also notes he "even contributed to a few Beatles recordings" but the production of Let It Be is not on there. Maybe it was just omitted but if he did indeed help produce Let It Be that would appear to be his greatest achievement. Browsing IMDb, I noticed he was listed as one of the producer for the Let It Be film so perhaps that's the source of confusion? Secondly, is there any specific reason why George Martin is not listed as a producer. I suppose he didn't produce the Let It Be album per se but my understanding is he originally produced most (if not all) the tracks that were later compiled onto said album. Probably the easiest way to verify this is for someone who owns a copy of the album (sadly not I) to check the credits.--Lairor 06:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Upon further inspection of the page history it seems that while Martin and Spector used to be listed as producers that was changed for an unspecified reason on Jan. 18 '06 by 68.251.58.119. I'm going to go ahead and replace "Neil Aspinall" with "George Martin".--Lairor 06:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Billy Preston!!!

What about poor old Billy Preston? He was brought in to play on this album and he is not mentioned once on this page. His page talks about his work with the Beatles. I think this needs to be included. --theBraveToaster 19:54 13 September 2006

Billy Preston even appears in film of the live performance on the Apple Records rooftop, so his contribution to this album should be properly acknowledged.ROG 19 19:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lyrics Links

The following discussion was posted on Wikipedia's main Beatles discussion page, and appears to also be relevant here:

Are links to lyrics sites appropriate? I have noticed them in some music articles, and I believe they do add value to the listings. I added one at the bottom of the external links section. In the interest of full disclosure, it is a website I maintain. If the interest is positive, I would likely add lyrics links to other musical articles where appropriate. Shadar 19:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

My understanding is that lyrics sites reprint lyrics in violation of copyright, and that's why we're not supposed to link to them. The relevant guideline to check would be Wikipedia:External links, but that page doesn't directly address this question. I'm going to post a question to the discussion page there, and perhaps someone can tell us whether my idea is correct or mistaken. In the latter case, I'd be happy to restore the link myself. -GTBacchus(talk) 19:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I posted my question Wikipedia talk:External links#Lyrics sites here. -GTBacchus(talk) 19:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
If the decision is made that lyrics sites are inappropriate due to the copyright violation issue, I would like to delete the links I found. As a newbie, it would give me good practice in editting. Is that an appropriate action for a new user, and is there a FAQ on deletion etiquette? Shadar 19:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, we received an answer, and it refers us to item #2 at Wikipedia:External links#Restrictions on linking. It comes down to whether the lyrics are actually under copyright or in the public domain, and whether or not the site in question has the copyright holder's permission to publish the lyrics. If you'd like to remove links to lyrics sites that are in violation of our copyright policy, then you're welcome to do so. The best way to avoid offense is probably to mention the External links policy (or WP:EL, as we like to call it) in your edit summary. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I can certainly understand that decision. It turns out I violated the self interest clause anyways, since I posted my own site. I should have recommended the change in talk, and then if someone agreed they could make the change. Thanks for the help with this, GTBacchus. Shadar 17:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I notice that there are also links to lyric pages on each of the Wikipedia Beatles album pages. I should have time to fix those tonight. I'll follow the above advice of GTBacchus in mentioning the WP:EL, and refer to this discussion on each album discussion page. InnerRevolution7 02:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I have made the above-stated change. InnerRevolution7 04:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Imagine?

According to the article: "Aside from original songs ultimately released on the Let It Be album there were others that were early version of songs that appeared on Abbey Road, including... others {that} would eventually end up on Beatles solo albums, including John Lennon's 'Jealous Guy' (called 'Child Of Nature' at the time and originally written and rehearsed for the White Album) and 'Imagine'..." It is my understanding that "Imagine" was written on a white piano in John and Yoko's apartment in a spur-of-the-moment creative run. It's one of the anecdotes that Yoko relates on a regular basis. I don't think it was rehearsed in the Get Back Sessions, although I could be wrong. I won't remove it, but I'm pretty sure the article is wrong on that point. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Notahippie76 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Disastrous album?

I've read many articles that say the Get Back sessions that led to the recording of this album were "disastrous" and from bootlegs of the sessions it's apparent there was a bit of group turmoil there. But I also hear so often that the album was a disappointment. I've listened to this album in both its original form and the Naked form and I try to find something wrong with it but it's just a damn good album, and very underrated. What's everyone's thoughts on this? Rogerthat Talk 11:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's undestandable that the sessions were disasterous. I've only seen clips of the movie Let it Be and you can see the tension. No one seemed to want to be there, except for Paul, who being his typical self tried to boss everyone around in the studio. That being said, the environment during the recording should not reflect the product. Now, the Get Back sessions are what Let it Be the album came from, and they were the result of the four brilliant musicians playing in a studio without the bells and whistles they had become used to, and without any sense of a group dynamic. I think the White Album set the ground for the fact each thought they had music the others wouldn't let them hear. So getting back to your question as to why people think Let It Be is a dissapointment, I think it has to do with the reputation around the production of the album and the fact it was the last one they released. After the masterful Abbey Road people wanted another breakthrough. That being said, Phil Spector did a fantastic job making the fragmented sounds of the Get Back sessions into a fluid album. He chose to include Across the Universe and One After 909 while everyone else, including the perpetual complainers George Martin and Paul washed thier hands of the album. I haven't listened to Let It Be..Naked--and have no intention to--but do find it interesting that Paul signed off on Spector's involvement, his "butchered" title track was the Beatles last #1 single, and he has had no qualms including an orchestra on his concert shows. So Let It Be is a great album, what we;d expect from the Beatles. Was it what they envisioned as they recorded their "unplugged" sessions? Did Spector use the opportunity to flex his studio muscles on the world's greatest musicians, the ones he idolized? Can Paul ever Let It Be? Who knows, but the album has some great tunes, and no silly love songs! JohnGedsudski9 (talk) 00:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


"I haven't listened to Let It Be..Naked--and have no intention to."

A rather revealing sentence, I find. Someone who's already made up his mind about what is true/wrong, good/bad; and have no intentions of having his own perceptions shaken by doing any research.

Paul has criticized Phil Spector's arrangement on 'The Long and Winding Road', but not Spector himself. Spector just did what he was paid to do. Paul didn't LIKE the result, but when he complained to Allen Klein, he was just ignored.

I have listened to both versions, and I guess they both leave a little to be desired. --84.208.224.234 (talk) 15:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "It has been considered the Beatles greatest album."

By whom? This statement definitely needs a citation, otherwise it's just POV.

[edit] Should compilations be included in infobox?

At this writing, there is no 'next album' in Infobox is this is the final original album and a Wikipedian believes compilations should not be included. What do you think? Steelbeard1 14:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Let It Be → Let it Be (album) — Both the song and the album are equal in importance. If the song "Let it Be" has the "(song)" ending, then shouldn't the album have the "(album)" ending? Not to mention, the "it" in "Let it Be" shouldn't be capitalized. I was planning for the pages "Let it Be" and "Let It Be" to be disambiguation pages because, of course, there is also a film as well. —— ObentoMusubi - Contributions - 06:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Need to way for the bots to clean up the links from the template before moving the dab pages. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

What happened? The move has occurred without discussion? I think Let It Be should be an article as most of the other items derive from it. I would prefer a merge of the Beatles articles rather than the current state. (John User:Jwy talk) 16:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Moves that an administrator believes are reasonable and not likely to be opposed don't have to wait for 5 days. This happens all of the time. In this case, there are many articles about 'Let It Be' and from looking at the pages that were linked there, it was clear that most were not about the album. So the dab is clearly needed. In fact, there are still some links where it is not clear what the intended target of the link should be. In fact even though it was a redirect, Let It Be (album) had a large number of links! If there is a notable feature in all of this, it may be the 'Get Back Sessions' which appear to be notable in and of themselves and no article. All of the articles seem to be reasonable in length and clearly notable so I'm not sure that combining them would be the best approach. If combined, it can become a mess if there is a link about the song and that topic is buried in a larger article. If someone wants to expand the dab page to be more, then that is a discussion in and of itself. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
On that basis, I've moved it back. Please leave the page where it is until the debate has concluded (which I predict will see the album remain the primary topic). --kingboyk (talk) 15:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
It would have been good to explain that earlier since the discussion was set up above. I can see your reasoning and you must not have thought it likely, but I oppose. Yes a dab page is needed, but there should be a Beatles-related primary article. I'll await further discussion in case I am the odd man out. (John User:Jwy talk) 00:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Just remember that the main name space is for the primary use or a dab page. In this case, it may be hard to determine if there is a primary use. As to it being a Beatles page, remember that the primary use may very well be the phrase 'Let it be' meaning leave it alone. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
"Let it be" and "Let It Be" are not the same so that's a red herring.
According to my edit summary of the time, when I put the album article at Let It Be it was because most of the incoming links were for the album.
Oppose move per Jwy; "Let It Be" is primarily a Beatles topic and should have a Beatles primary article; the album article is the most likely candidate. --kingboyk (talk) 13:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Band on the Run (album), Band on the Run (song); Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (album), Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (disambiguation), Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (song). It's normal for the album to be considered primary and the song secondary. Granted, there are other uses for "Let It Be" but imho all the most notable uses are Beatles-related. Thus, the album becomes the best choice for me. --kingboyk (talk) 15:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Oppose move; I agree with kingboyk's position. "It" in "Let It Be" should remain capitalized. The word represents the subject and is not an article or preposition. John Cardinal (talk) 14:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] March 1969 confusion

I'm a little confused by the Get Back Albums section regarding the March 1969 mixes. The entry for the original acetate says it was done by Glyn Johns in March 1969, who then played it for the Beatles who had lost interest.

The next section says that Paul and John gave free rein to Johns in March 1969 to do as he wished with the Get Back session tapes.

Is the original Glyn Johns mix the result of that March meeting? If so, then the statement about the disinterest of the Beatles doesn't seem correct. And the discussion of the March meeting should be moved to before the description of the original mix.

If not, it would be good to have some wording placing the original acetate mix in a specific point in March and say something about why Paul and John reconsidered their lack of interest and encouraged Johns to go ahead and try to salvage the sessions. Jlhollin (talk) 16:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Semi Protection

For about a week now, an anon IP user has been gong through Beatles' albums removing the Scaruffi reviews from the infoboxes without leaving an edit summary explaining why. I have asked for an explanation but since it's a floating IP, don't really expect to get one. This is unacceptable and I have now had to semi-protect this article for a week in the hope that whoever it is gets the message that these edits are unacceptable. If you want to alter the article in this time and can't, please leave suggestions below. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 14:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)