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Contents 1 comments 2 'He is a vampire' 3 A question about Lestat's "children", and a statement by Armand 4 Sexual relationship between Lestat and Louis/or other vampires 5 Wolf Pack 6 Clarifications 7 Rewrite

[edit] comments

Isn't the song "Moon over Bourbon Street" by Sting about Lestat?

Should this be added to the page? Somebody should find a citation. :)

From what I remember, Moon over Bourbon Street is based upon Interview with the Vampire as a whole. And the song doesn't sound like it's about Lestat, since he in that book was portrayed in a very different manner compared to the later books, as well as the song. --Hallonboat 12:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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Should Marius be mentioned in this article?

no I REALLY don't think so

Marius created Lestat, and thusly he is mentioned here. Juno Loire 03:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Magnus created Lestat, not Marius. However, Marius should of course be mentioned here anyway, being an important part of Lestats history. --Hallonboat 12:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'He is a vampire'

I don't think mentioning that Lestat is a vampire is appropriate for the introduction. Lestat did not begin life as a vampire; like all vampires, he was originally mortal. I originally decided to delete any mention of it at all from the introduction, but I have since decided to replace it with 'He began his life as a mortal man, but he later became a vampire'.

FractaL 19:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A question about Lestat's "children", and a statement by Armand

In 'The Vampire Lestat' Armand says to Lestat "Each time the death and the awakening will ravage the mortal spirit, so that one will hate you for taking his life, another will run to excesses that you scorn. A third will emerge mad and raving, another a monster ou cannot control. One will be jealous of your superiority, another shut you out."

Do each of these statements refer to a specific vampire that Lestat sires?

• To my knowledge, Lestat sired five vampires: Gabrielle, Nicholas, Louis, Claudia and David (although I've not read all of the chronicles). I'm not sure that Armand is referring to Lestat's children with each remark, he might just be listing the different possible reactions of those who are turned into vampires. FractaL 18:43, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sexual relationship between Lestat and Louis/or other vampires

"There was a certain element of sexual attraction implicit in their relationship, but whether it was actually consummated is a matter of debate."

This should be deleted, as it is often stated in the Chronicles that sex is something that, while not impossible, is not a thing that vampires do, apparently because they do not get any pleasure out of it, as well as being incapable of reproducing in that way. The vampiric equivalent would be the drinking of blood, in both the case of pleasure and creating new vampires. Hallonboat 21:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• I agree with you to an extent, in that I don't think that Lestat or Louis were particularly interested in having sex. However, the relationship between Armand and Marius was undoubtedly a sexual one, so I wouldn't be so bold as to claim that vampires are entirely uninterested in sex. I'm not so sure about this to support any deletion. FractaL 21:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• While there was a sexual relationship between Armand and Marius, I seem to recall that it took place before Armand was given the Blood. When it comes to sexual relations between vampires and mortals, it seems to me that vampires give pleasure rather than recieve it. Physical pleasure, that is. I believe that there is a serious lack of evidence regarding sex between vampires, unless the act of drinking blood might be classified as such. And if that is the case, it should at least be mentioned in the article that if any sexual relationship between Lestat and Louis has existed, it had nothing to do with what might be called regular male/male sexual practices. Hallonboat 20:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

As it says in The Vampire Chronicles over and over. Vampires cannot have sex. They lack the organs. Armand and Marius coudl never have had sexual relatoins because Marius had been a vampire for 1,500 years before he created Armand. That is why Marius constantly told Armand that he should go get the pleasure of a man and a woman. Louis and Lestat coulnd't have had any sexual relations either because Lestat had been made vampire over 20 years before Louis was, and that he had met Louis that night and made him a vampire.72.177.178.215 19:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

But surely there doesn't have to be penetrative sex for their relationship to be 'consummated'? In the vampiric sense, it could just mean a certain degree of affection, and Lestat does call Louis his 'lover' twice in Tale of the Body Thief.

I believe Anne Rice's vampires are mostly amorals (not bond by morals, including sexual) and homosexual sex relations could have taked place (the fact there is more male vampire than female just reflect Anne Rice's preferences). There is nothing (in Anne Rice's works) saying they have "lack or organs", as far as I know. Nor it say vampire dont get pleasure through sex. I think you guys speculate too much. Please, quote the arguments in the books (or point it) in Vampire Chronicles wich specifically says vampires dont have sex. --SSPecteR

I agree on this point.

I think that as the vampires cant reproduce in the sense that humans can that they realy dont have the samne male/female biological genders. To them gender is just what they look like rather than their biological make-up. So in my opinion they cant actualy have homosexual sex or heterosexual sex, but rather just vampire sex. Daemon415 01:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Anne Rice's vampires don't have sex because they don't have the physical urge to. I recall in one of the novels, perhaps "Queen of the Damned" mentioning that point exactly. Also, I think that in "The Vampire Armand," the sex between Marius and Armand was purely for Armand's benefit. --Badass-boi 20:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

In Queen of the Damned Lestat is stood infront of a mirror, examining his body. When he gets to his penis he states "And the organ, the organ we don't need, poised as if ready for what it would never again know how to do or want to do, marble, a Priapus at the gate." If it were possible for vampires to have sex I believe they would get round to it in the books, I hold this belief because in Tale of the Body Theif, while Lestat is in his temporary mortal body he is excited about again having the ability to do so. Ribenaberry 13:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wolf Pack

Local peasents report the problem of the wolves to Lestat. They estimate the pack to be five strong. However, when Lestat comes upon the pack he discovers it is actually eight strong. This is important because the preparations he has made are insufficent. This results in the heroic struggle between Lestat and the pack. Should this not read, Lestat hunted eight wolves? 90.202.27.32 21:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Browners83 (talk • contribs) 22:34, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clarifications

Anne Rice's vampires don't have literal sex. The novel The Vampire Lestat and Tale of the body thief confirm that certain reproductive organs simply do not work with vampirs though characters such as Lestat were bisexual before ever being made a vampire.

No, Moon over Burboun Street is NOT about Lestat. It's about Louis. It was written in regard to Interview with the vampire, not The Vampire Lestat.

And finally (And this just hurts my head) NO, Marius did NOT make Lestat a vampire except in the horrible film, Queen of the damned. In the novels, musical adaptations, graphic novels, comic books, audio books and Vampire companion book it all states that Lestat was made by the mad vampire Magnus, NOT Marius.

[edit] Rewrite

I've tried to rewrite and organize this article as per Wiki guidelines and the MoS. Nothing has really been deleted, although some text has been shuffled into appropriate sections. Hope it works for everyone. Best, DanielEng (talk) 07:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleting image from article For those that are deleting the Townsend photograph from this article: there are no official illustrations of Lestat from the novels, and the photo depicts one of the versions of the character. Questions of quality aside, the QotD film is also far more well known than the Broadway version. It should not be deleted unless a substitute can be provided, such as a sketch of Lestat from Rice's files, a photo of the costumed Lestat from the Coven Ball or something else that would be more accurate. DanielEng (talk) 11:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)