Talk:Lesbian sexual practices

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[edit] Need input from other editors

I've turned this into a brief narrative but truth be told, for me, this article has a big ick factor because these activities are listed and wikilinked without a shred of context as to any sway lesbian relationships (which is to say, human feelings and social contexts) may have on them. Hence, this article is as yet IMHO barely helpful, maybe misleading and no way is it anthropologically meaningful, to put it mildly. This article needs citations, observations of social context from published secondary sources and some history. I invite (or plead with?) other editors to do as they see fit through consensus. Gwen Gale (talk) 11:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm willing to help out. What sort of examples of sources and lesbian context were you considering? --Moni3 (talk) 13:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

This kind of stuff I guess (these are only way quick 'n easy links though, to give some notion as to the wide range of behaviourial contexts which can be described under this topic):

Gwen Gale (talk) 13:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. I'm glad I asked for clarification. This prompts me to bring up some topics regarding the difference between sexuality and sexual practices. (I've now started and deleted this paragraph 5 times, showing my confusion.) The examples you provided, to my mind, would be more appropriate in the sexuality section in the Lesbian article, perhaps including a reference to Adrienne Rich's 1983 article that puts all female to female relationships on a lesbian continuum, along with the criticism of that article - the de-sexing of lesbians. This article, the lesbian sexual practices one, seems to be the more practical application of those theories. I was thinking of using sources like The Whole Lesbian Sex Book for discussion of these practices, without going into too much detail about it. And perhaps a more detailed discussed of lesbian bed death, and other issues attributed to lesbian relationships. --Moni3 (talk) 14:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Erm, I so too know what you mean about starting and deleting whilst writing about this. As I said, the links above are only a quick take, not enough. I do agree the sexuality section in the main article could be much expanded. Moreover, there is a lot of overlap. Mind, sexual expression among lesbians (like anyone else) is much swayed by the nature of the relationships along with big docking cultural, social and other influences. Any discussion of how lesbians express themselves to one another physically is utterly meaningless (which might be to say, idle entertainment and thrills) without citing these influences along with some historical background.
I'm all for citing swaths of The Whole Lesbian Sex Book if need be. Dunno how notable lesbian bed death is, since "bed death" in healthy intimate relationships is more or less common across humanity.
Meanwhile, a whole section of this article should helpfully deal with the risks of STDs and ways of coping with these. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
What about erotica and lesbian pornography? Notably, On Our Backs (such as it is). I'd love to find a citation remarking about the lack of quality and quantity of porn made for and by lesbians. --Moni3 (talk) 16:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
There is already an extensive article, Lesbian erotica . Truth be told, the market for lesbian porn is populated by more males than females. Lesbian romances and cheap pulp fiction however are another tale :) Gwen Gale (talk) 16:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Anyway I've done some research and writing (thanks Moni3 for the jumpstart on epidemology) and aside from the single word tribadism and the citation for it, none of the unique original content contributed by the WP:SPA editor is left, so my icky feeling about this is gone. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Good job. Taking a sense of ownership by making it *about* lesbians and putting quotes in it by lesbians helps with that "icky" feeling. My books are at home. Let me look through them to see if there are some things I can add in the direction the article is going. --Moni3 (talk) 19:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whole Lesbian Sex Book

Felice Newman says entire sections on lesbian erotica were deleted from the Kama Sutra. Can someone who's more familiar with the Kama Sutra verify that?

She also footnotes a 1969 edition of Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Sex to quote "one vagina plus one vagina equals zero" to illustrate the view of lesbian non-sex.

More to come as I keep reading...--Moni3 (talk) 23:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)