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[edit] gender identification

I think we should include pictures or a link to a page showing how to identify most butterflies/moths by gender. I believe it is the same across the Order for pupa, and I know it's a lost cause for the larva, however, I think it would be helpful. I recently had a problem being able to find the information and think it would add to the wiki community. Unforunately, I don't know enough and my camera isn't fancy enough to take decent macro shots. -Kugamazog

[edit] superfamilies in taxobox

I have some doubts about the validity of superfamily lists in the taxobox. For one thing it makes the box unreasonably long. Also it seems to suggest that "moth" and "butterfly" are well defined classifications, which other pages here contradict. Perhaps such information should be included in the article body, not the taxobox. (unsigned comment by Zeimusu (talk · contribs)

  • I looked at it and before, the taxo listed "over 130 families". I figured having the 46 superfamilies from one of the texts I'm working from (the Firefly Encyclopedia...I list in References) wasn't too bad. I'm currently working at stubbing out all of the moth superfamilies. I'm open for suggestion, but figured this was a slight improvement. If you (or anyone else for that matter) strongly disagree, I will not be offended. :) My plan is as follows:
    • blue link all superfamiles (as stubs)
    • slowly go through and fill the superfamilies out to the best of my sources.

I welcome any constructive criticism. Wikibofh 3 July 2005 00:27 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think Wikibofh's edits were helpful. It is true that there is no universally accepted distinction between moths and butterflies, but the schema presented here agrees with general wisdom (AFAIK). Wikipedia should have the (presumably layman) end user in mind when presenting information; while it might not be acceptable to rigidly divide the two groups of superfamilies in a scientific publication, it makes sense to here. Wikipedia isn't meant to stand in for specialized monographs on any given subject. If the taxobox moth/butterfly division is all that botherful, we could always include an explanatory footnote to explicitly state that the division is informal. (To disclaim my own text: I am not a lepidopterist, although I sometimes play one online.) -- Hadal 5 July 2005 06:58 (UTC)

It can be helpful to give non-taxonomic information in the taxobox, but it can be messy, for instance if we ever wanted to list suborders. I think it would be better to point out the two butterfly superfamilies in the article text. In the superfamily list, they can be distinguished with common names:

That might help draw attention to any important groups of moths, too. Josh

  • So, you're proposing we remove the butterfly and moth headings from the taxobox, and put descriptions on the superfamilies? I don't have a problem with that. I thought the earlier concern was having the superfamilies in the taxobox at all. Generally speaking my preference is for the taxobox to only have the next most specific grouping, but that's just a personal preference. For instance I think that the Insect taxobox is a mess, confusing and not very logical, but that's just me. It could be for taxonomists it makes sense. Wikibofh 5 July 2005 20:49 (UTC)
  • That's a fair alternative, and agrees with what we've been doing with fish articles. To do so here would require excising one of the two images (due to width issues), but that's no big deal. Regarding the insect taxobox, I think it's fairly well-organized, considering the material. In that taxobox the orders are subdivided by sub/infraclass; one reason for this is that not all schemes may use a given subclass, and that it provides easier access to the individual orders while giving the reader an at-a-glance idea of where everything fits. As for the superfamilies here: as long as you reference them (as you're doing), they're probably fine, provided we avoid conflicting schemes. If the Firefly Encyclopedia mentions taxonomic authorities for the superfamilies, it would be good to include those too (in the individual articles, of course). -- Hadal 6 July 2005 03:58 (UTC)

Actually I spent days figuring out the whole structure of the butterfly kingdom last winter and spent days doing the taxoboxes so that they were complete. Now that I look at it all my edits are gone practically. I find this whole thing insulting to say the least. No help from me. Williamb 09:04, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I sympathise. I have had experience of this kind, though not to the scale experienced by you. It helps to post your vision and summary of work completed on this page because anyone contemplating major changes to a page would scan the talk page before proceeding.AshLin

[edit] Creation of WikiProject Lepidoptera

I would like to announce the creation of WikiProject Lepidoptera so that we have a forum to discuss and hassle out these issues. Regards, AshLin 06:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved material-Family classification

Can someone reorganize the following and add it back suitably into the article or perhaps as a new article on the classification... Most of the information is repeated in the lepidoptera box in the footer. Shyamal 10:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of currently accepted families

Family Otherwise included in
Acanthopteroctetidae Davis, 1978  
Acrolepiidae Heinemann, 1870 Plutellidae or Yponomeutidae
Acrolophidae Tineidae
Adelidae Bruand, 1851  
Agathiphagidae Kristensen, 1967  
Agonoxenidae Meyrick, 1926 Elastichidae or Coleophoridae
Aididae Megalopygidae
Alucitidae Leach, 1815  
Anomoeotidae  
Anomosetidae  
Anthelidae  
Arctiidae Leach, 1815  
Arrhenophanidae  
Axiidae Rebel, 1919 Noctuidae
Batrachedridae Heinemann & Wocke, 1876 Coleophoridae or Mompidae or Cosmopterigidae
Bedelliidae Meyrick, 1880 Lyonetiidae
Blastobasidae Meyrick, 1894 Coleophoridae
Bombycidae Latreille, 1802  
Brachodidae Heppner, 1979 Glyphipterigidae
Brahmaeidae Swinhoe, 1892  
Bucculatricidae Wallengren, 1881  
Callidulidae  
Carposinidae Walsingham, 1897  
Carthaeidae  
Castniidae  
Cecidosidae Incurvariidae
Choreutidae Stainton, 1854 Glyphipterigidae
Coleophoridae Bruand, 1851  
Copromorphidae  
Cosmopterigidae Heinemann & Wocke, 1876  
Cossidae Leach, 1815  
Crambidae Latreille, 1810 Pyralidae
Crinopterygidae Spuler, 1898  
Cyclotornidae  
Dalceridae  
Doidae Donahue & Brown, 1987 Arctiidae
Douglasiidae Heinemann & Wocke, 1876  
Drepanidae Boisduval, 1828  
Dudgeoneidae  
Elachistidae Bruand, 1851  
Endromidae Boisduval, 1828  
Epermeniidae Spuler, 1910  
Epicopeiidae  
Epipyropidae Dyar, 1903  
Eriocottidae Spuler, 1898 Incurvariidae
Eriocraniidae Tutt, 1899  
Ethmiidae Busck, 1909 Elachistidae
Eupterotidae  
Galacticidae Plutellidae
Gelechiidae Stainton, 1854  
Geometridae Leach, 1815  
Glyphipterigidae Stainton, 1854  
Gracillariidae Stainton, 1854  
Hedylidae Geometridae
Heliodinidae Heinemann & Wocke, 1876  
Heliozelidae Heinemann & Wocke, 1877  
Hepialidae Stephens, 1829  
Hesperiidae Latreille, 1809  
Heterobathmiidae Micropterigidae
Heterogynidae Herrich-Schäffer, 1846  
Himantopteridae  
Holcopogonidae Gozmany, 1967 Autostichidae
Hyblaeidae  
Immidae Heppner, 1977 Glyphipterigidae
Incurvariidae Spuler, 1898  
Lacturidae Yponomeutidae
Lasiocampidae Harris, 1841  
Lecithoceridae Le Marchand, 1947 Gelechiidae
Lemoniidae Dyar, 1896  
Limacodidae Duponchel, 1845  
Lophocoronidae Common, 1973  
Lycaenidae Leach, 1815  
Lymantriidae Hampson, 1893  
Lyonetiidae Stainton, 1854  
Lypusidae Heinemann, 1870 Tineidae or Psychidae or Yponomeutidae
Megalopygidae  
Metachandidae Meyrick, 1911 Oecophoridae or Gelechiidae
Micropterigidae Herrich-Schäffer, 1855  
Mimallonidae  
Mirinidae Bombycidae
Mnesarchaeidae  
Momphidae Herrich-Schäffer, 1857 Coleophoridae
Neopseustidae  
Neotheoridae Kristensen, 1978.  
Nepticulidae Stainton, 1854  
Noctuidae Latreille, 1809  
Nolidae Hampson, 1894 Noctuidae
Notodontidae Stephens, 1829  
Nymphalidae Rafinesque, 1815  
Oecophoridae Bruand, 1851  
Oenosandridae Miller, 1991 Notodontidae (Thaumatopoeidae)
Opostegidae Meyrick, 1893  
Palaeosetidae  
Palaephatidae Tineidae
Pantheidae Smith, 1898 Noctuidae
Papilionidae Latreille, 1802  
Pieridae Duponchel, 1835  
Plutellidae Guenee, 1845 Yponomeutidae
Prodoxidae Riley, 1881  
Prototheoridae  
Psychidae Boisduval, 1828  
Pterolonchidae Meyrick, 1918 Coleophoridae
Pterophoridae Zeller, 1841  
Pyralidae Latreille, 1802  
Riodinidae Grote, 1895 Lycaenidae
Roeslerstammiidae Bruand, 1850  
Saturniidae Boisduval, 1837  
Schreckensteiniidae Fletcher, 1929  
Scythrididae Rebel, 1901  
Sematuridae  
Sesiidae Boisduval, 1828  
Simaethistidae Pyralidae
Somabrachyidae Hampson, 1920 Megalopygidae
Sphingidae Latreille, 1802  
Symmocidae Gozmany, 1957 Autostichidae
Thyrididae Herrich-Schäffer, 1846  
Tineidae Latreille, 1810  
Tineodidae Meyrick, 1885  
Tischeriidae Spuler, 1898  
Tortricidae Latreille, 1802  
Uraniidae  
Urodidae Kyrki, 1984  
Whalleyanidae Thyrididae
Yponomeutidae Stephens, 1829  
Ypsolophidae Guenee, 1845 Yponomeutidae
Zygaenidae Latreille, 1809  

[edit] List of relegated families

The following groups have been ranked as families in the fairly recent past, and the family names are still likely to be met with in books and on the internet. This list shows where the supposed families are now classified.

'Family' Now included in
Agaristidae Noctuidae
Amphisbatidae Oecophoridae
Apatelodidae Bombycidae
Apoprogonidae Sematuridae
Argyresthiidae Yponomeutidae
Autostichidae Oecophoridae
Blastodacnidae Agonoxenidae
Cercophanidae Saturniidae
Chimbachidae Oecophoridae
Chrysopolomidae Limacodidae
Cocytiidae Noctuidae
Ctenuchidae Arctiidae
Cyclidiidae Drepanidae
Cycnodiidae Elachistidae
Danaidae Nymphalidae
Deoclonidae Gelechiidae
Depressariidae Oecophoridae
Deuterotineidae Eriocottidae
'Family' Now included in
Dilobidae Noctuidae
Dioptidae Notodontidae
Epiplemidae Uraniidae
Glyphidoceridae Symmocidae
Heliconiidae Nymphalidae
Hypertrophidae Oecophoridae
Hypsidae Noctuidae
Lathrotelidae Crambidae
Libytheidae Nymphalidae
Manidiidae Sematuridae
Megathymidae Hesperiidae
Metarbelidae Cossidae
Oinophilidae Tineidae
Olethreutidae Tortricidae
Oxytenidae Saturniidae
Parnassiidae Papilionidae
Peleopodidae Oecophoridae
'Family' Now included in
Pericopidae Arctiidae
Phaloniidae Tortricidae
Phyllocnistidae Gracillariidae
Pseudarbelidae Psychidae
Pterothysanidae Callidulidae
Pyromorphidae Zygaenidae
Ratardidae Cossidae
Satyridae Nymphalidae
Schistonoeidae Gelechiidae
Stathmopodidae Oecophoridae
Stenomidae Oecophoridae
Strepsimanidae Noctuidae
Thaumetopoeidae Notodontidae
Thyatiridae Drepanidae
Thyretidae Arctiidae
Walshiidae Cosmopterigidae
Xyloryctidae Oecophoridae

[edit] Classification according to Fauna Europaea

Classification of European Lepidoptera
Superfamily: Family: Subfamily:
Acanthopteroctetoidea Acanthopteroctetidae
Alucitoidea Alucitidae
Axioidea Axiidae
Bombycoidea Brahmaeidae
Endromidae
Lemoniidae
Mirinidae
Saturniidae Agliinae
Saturniinae
Sphingidae Macroglossinae
Smerinthinae
Sphinginae
Choreutoidea Choreutidae Choreutinae
Millierinae
Copromorphoidea Carposinidae
Cossoidea Cossidae Cossinae
Zeuzerinae
Drepanoidea Drepanidae Drepaninae
Thyatirinae
Epermenioidea Epermeniidae Epermeniinae
Ochromolopinae
Eriocranioidea Eriocraniidae
Galacticoidea Galacticidae
Gelechioidea Agonoxenidae
Amphisbatidae Amphisbatinae
Autostichidae Autostichinae
Holcopogoninae
Symmocinae
Batrachedridae
Blastobasidae
Chimabachidae
Coleophoridae
Cosmopterigidae Antequerinae
Chrysopeleiinae
Cosmopteriginae
Deoclonidae
Depressariidae Cryptolechiinae
Depressariinae
Elachistidae
Ethmiidae
Gelechiidae Dichomeridinae
Gelechiinae
Pexicopiinae
Lecithoceridae Ceuthomadarinae
Lecithocerinae
Oditinae
Momphidae
Oecophoridae Deuterogoniinae
Oecophorinae
Pterolonchidae
Schistonoeidae
Scythrididae
Stathmopodidae
Geometroidea Geometridae Alsophilinae
Archiearinae
Desmobathrinae
Ennominae
Geometrinae
Larentiinae
Orthostixinae
Sterrhinae
Uraniidae Epipleminae
Gracillarioidea Bucculatricidae
Douglasiidae
Gracillariidae Gracillariinae
Lithocolletinae
Phyllocnistinae
Roeslerstammiidae
Hepialoidea Hepialidae
Hesperioidea Hesperiidae Hesperiinae
Heteropterinae
Pyrginae
Incurvarioidea Adelidae Adelinae
Nematopogoninae
Crinopterygidae
Heliozelidae
Incurvariidae
Prodoxidae
Lasiocampoidea Lasiocampidae Chondrosteginae
Lasiocampinae
Malacosominae
Pinarinae
Poecilocampinae
Micropterigoidea Micropterigidae
Nepticuloidea Nepticulidae Nepticulinae
Opostegidae Oposteginae
Opostegoidinae
Noctuoidea Arctiidae Arctiinae
Lithosiinae
Syntominae
Lymantriidae Arctorninae
Calliterinae
Lymantrinae
Nygmininae
Orgyinae
Noctuidae Acontiinae
Acronictinae
Aedeiinae
Amphipyrinae
Bagisarinae
Bryophilinae
Calpinae
Catocalinae
Condicinae
Cuculliinae
Dilobinae
Eublemminae
Eustrotiinae
Euteliinae
Hadeninae
Heliothinae
Herminiinae
Hypeninae
Micronoctuinae
Noctuinae
Pantheinae
Plusiinae
Raphiinae
Rivulinae
Strepsimaninae
Tytinae
Nolidae Chloephorinae
Eariadinae
Nolinae
Notodontidae Notodontinae
Phalerinae
Ptilodoninae
Pygaerinae
Stauropinae
Thaumetopoeidae Thaumetopoeinae
Papilionoidea Lycaenidae Lycaeninae
Riodininae
Nymphalidae Apaturinae
Charaxinae
Danainae
Heliconiinae
Libytheinae
Limenitidinae
Melitaeinae
Nymphalinae
Satyrinae
Papilionidae Papilioninae
Parnassiinae
Pieridae Coliadinae
Dismorphiinae
Pierinae
Pterophoroidea Pterophoridae Agdistinae
Pterophorinae
Pyraloidea Crambidae Acentropinae
Cathariinae
Crambinae
Cybalomiinae
Evergestinae
Glaphyriinae
Odontiinae
Pyraustinae
Schoenobiinae
Scopariinae
Spilomelinae
Pyralidae Epipaschiinae
Galleriinae
Phycitinae
Pyralinae
Schreckensteinioidea Schreckensteiniidae
Sesioidea Brachodidae
Castniidae
Sesiidae Sesiinae
Tinthiinae
Thyridoidea Thyrididae
Tineoidea Eriocottidae
Lypusidae
Psychidae Epichnopteryginae
Naryciinae
Oiketicinae
Placodominae
Psychinae
Taleporiinae
Typhoniinae
Tineidae Dryadaulinae
Euplocaminae
Hapsiferinae
Hieroxestinae
Meessiinae
Myrmecozelinae
Nemapogoninae
Perissomasticinae
Scardiinae
Setomorphinae
Stathmopolitinae
Teichobiinae
Tineinae
Tischerioidea Tischeriidae
Tortricoidea Tortricidae Chlidanotinae
Olethreutinae
Tortricinae
Urodoidea Urodidae
Yponomeutoidea Acrolepiidae
Bedelliidae
Glyphipterigidae Glyphipteriginae
Orthoteliinae
Heliodinidae
Lyonetiidae Cemiostominae
Lyonetiinae
Plutellidae
Yponomeutidae Argyresthiinae
Praydinae
Scythropiinae
Yponomeutinae
Ypsolophidae Ochsenheimeriinae
Ypsolophinae
Zygaenoidea Epipyropidae
Heterogynidae
Limacodidae
Somabrachyidae
Zygaenidae Chalcosiinae
Procridinae
Zygaeninae


    • This is beautiful! But I see it only has those taxa that occur in Europe. Sigh. It would probably be too long (and difficult to construct as a table?) if it included the global taxa, even if the subfamilies were relegated to the family pages. BTW, is there an easy way to make tables?
    • Is there a preferred source for the systematic treatments, such as Kristensen, or Scoble ? Satyrium 14:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] image

i replaced the old picture with an FA-quality moth. enjoy. --The Lizard Wizard 06:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] number of species

The article lists the number of lepidoptera species as 180,000. The website [1] claims to have 260,000 accepted names. TeunSpaans 22:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nice picture

Image:Grand paon de nuit.jpg If somebody feels like inserting it into the article... Ajor 12:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC) Image:Grand paon de nuit 2.jpg This one is even better... Ajor 12:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The id is Saturnia pyri (Family Saturnidae). In English called as the Giant Peacock Moth or the Giant Emperor Moth. Added to the article. AshLin 14:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)