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Leonardo Ciampa (born January 17, 1971 in Orient Heights (East Boston)) is a composer, organist, pianist, and author.
Ciampa is the first composer to write significant compositions in a Sicilian genre, most notably Suite Siciliana (Op. 145), for two violins, piano, and chamber orchestra. He has also written a large amount of sacred music, including an Organ Symphony and numerous Masses. (The latter were deeply inspired by the great composer Lorenzo Perosi.) As a pianist Ciampa is best known for his interpretations of Chopin and Lecuona.
Ciampa is the founding director of Coro Polifonico of Boston, whose wide repertoire includes the once-famous works of Lorenzo Perosi.
Ciampa's first book, The Twilight of Belcanto, includes an interview with famed soprano Virginia Zeani. His second work, Don Lorenzo Perosi, will be available in tJune, 2006. He is currently compiling and editing "Commemorazione Gigliana / A Beniamino Gigli Commemoration", to be released in 2007 in simultaneous Italian and English.
Ciampa currently lives with his wife and son in Orient Heights.
Is this an autobiography?? Be careful of the Bot! Julie Martello 16:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Julie, no, I'm simply a fan of Mr. Ciampa. GiovaneScuola2006 19:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
"As a pianist Ciampa is most successful in his interpretations of Chopin and Lecuona" Hmm. I have some problems with this sentence. First off, it's a POV. The only source listed is Ciampa's own website which, let's face it, is probably written by Ciampa himself or his management. Is there a more objective source you can site, GiovaneScuola2006. Since Mr. Ciampa lives in the Boston area, surely there must be a review which supports the quoted sentence? I've not made any changes yet because, frankly, I never heard of this guy despite being active in the Boston musical scene for nine years, and the piano world for over twenty. THD3 02:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Dear THD, if you read the histories of the previous incarnations of this sentence, you'll see that the POV has already been toned down quite a bit. As it stands, the sentence says merely that he is most successful in those composers -- meaning that he is less successful with all the others! Let's be honest with each other: how could you or anyone write an article about a musician that did not contain POV? How is it possible? In fact, your statement that you never heard of the guy is, in itself, POV. Because you never heard of him, does that mean we recommend the article for deletion??? I also live in the Boston area, and I most certainly have heard of this gentleman. I don't know, what are your thoughts? (And thanks for having a peaceful discussion about this here, before just jumping in and cutting up the article. I'm trying also to follow that example.) With best regards, GiovaneScuola2006 10:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC) P.S. On 17 Oct. 99, Mr. Ciampa was the only pianist in Boston to give an all-Chopin recital on the 150th anniversary of the composer's death. It was a fundraiser for one of the biggest TB clinics in Boston, and there was Globe coverage. Would that, for example, be a "source" that could/should be added? It is, after all, "fact." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by THD3 (talk • contribs) 14:33, 26 Oct 2006 (UTC)
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- Despite your denial, I must bluntly state my suspicion that you are, in fact, Leonardo Ciampa. As a member of the "Horowitz Experience" yahoo group, a member identifying himself as Ciampa seemed fixated on a supposed "relationship" between Horowitz and Byron Janis--precisely the edits you made on the Horowitz wiki entry. Your constant updating of the Ciampa and Perosi articles also points in that direction--as well as the admission that you live in Boston. I have searched extensively for any reaction to Ciampas playing that doesn't trace back to his own website, but have found none. Since you seem to know so much about Mr. Ciampa, perhaps you can provide the date of an objective article (e.g., The Boston Globe, or similar source) which verifies his success in Chopin and Lecuona.
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- The above was unsigned, so I won't respond to it, seeing as I don't know to whom I'm responding. GiovaneScuola2006 17:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
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That was me, I forgot the four tildes. THD3 20:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Found it!
Turns out, Ciampa played a marathon of four Chopin recitals at the French Library in Boston in 1995. And wouldn't you know it -- the first one was reviewed in the Boston Globe! Wow, a verifiable source!
Now, before making libelous comments about musicians active in Boston, I suggest that THC provides a verifiable source for his so-called "someone named Ciampa" who was, in his words "fixated" on the rumored Horowitz-Janis relationship -- a rumor which, incidentally, was wide-spread enough that it made it into Harold C. Schonberg's Horowitz biography. And Mr. Schonberg wrote for the New York Times. (Ooh! Ahh! Respected newspaper!) GiovaneScuola2006 17:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'm happy to oblige. Here is the link, altough I'm certian the message will vanish soon enough: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/the_horowitz_experience/message/1643
- The text: Though I have been a huge fan of both Vladimir Horowitz and Harold Schonberg
since childhood -- and excited as I was when the book came out -- I remember feeling that Schonberg didn't really "dig deep enough." He did just as much work as he needed to do to make an acceptible book that people would buy and that would gain him money. But I didn't sense, like I do in great biographies, that the author devoted years and years to digging, following around the subject, interviewing friends, etc. etc. Schonberg probably could write most of the book from the top of his head; the rest, I'm sure came from SOME interviews and SOME digging.
- I agree it was sort of a "political" book; yet Schonberg made certain
stretches in quite the other direction. Prime example: the implications about VH and Byron Janis's "extracurricular activity." These unsubstantiated rumors are about a pianist who is still alive!
- One of the most offensive and pompous things about the book is, in the
introduction, HCS tries to imply that his biography was the ONLY one; he allude casually to Plaskin's book and even more casually to "a book written by a friend." Can you IMAGINE referring to David Dubal's invaluable "Evenings with Horowitz" in such a way?! David Dubal is easily one of the world's great piano gurus -- a walking pianistic encyclopedia. And he WAS Horowitz's friend -- think of the memories HE has! That even a famous, established critic exhibited such a lapse of security is disappointing.
- I can't say what the BEST biography of Horowitz is, but I can say that two
books which Horowitz lovers must own are Dubal's (op. cit.) and Franz Mohr's "My Life with the Great Pianists." No one had the insight that Mohr had, at least who had the nerve to write about it! (I'm sure Giuliana the maid could tell a story or two herself!)
- The Mohr book can be obtained at:
ef=sr_8_1/103-8095336-9946232?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
- Of course, Dubal's other book with 125 interviews about Horowitz is equally
invaluable. It even comes with CD with Dubal/Horowitz interviews on music. Invaluable!
- Regards,
- Leonardo.
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- www.leonardociampa.com
- Oh, and the only reason Schonberg mentioned the rumors about Janis in the Horowitz book was to shoot them down.
THD3 20:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, apparently Leonardo Ciampa himself did in fact have time to join the Horowitz discussion list. Surprising -- sad, actually -- that he used his time in such a way instead of practicing.
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- What that has to do with me, however, I still don't know. If you want to make a formal accusation that I am Leonardo Ciampa, through the appropriate Wikichannels, go ahead and do so. Otherwise, please don't fill this page with mere suspicions. Thank you for your courtesy. GiovaneScuola2006 21:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
