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This looks really good, but it would be helpful if you also had a contemporary photo that better portrays Leonard Hall. The one by the National Park Service would be good (it has one because it's part of the historic district.) Since that is a government/public photo, I think you can use it, but don't know about the cites.--Parkwells (talk) 16:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- I know, I wish I could find a free-use contemporary photo. The one you mentioned on the NPS page was taken by Elizabeth Alley, so it's not by the government and would be considered a copyright infringement (I think?). Speaking of the historic district (mentioned in the intro), I'm writing an article about that right now. It's the largest African-American neighborhood in Raleigh. It's a short article because I can't find much info on it at the moment. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
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- I think the government takes over the copyright for material on their websites or in their publications, but am not sure. Oh, see what you mean. Maybe you can ask for permission by email from the Historic Commission, since they are the ones who let the NPS use it.--Parkwells (talk) 17:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- Separate issue - You may be able to find the nominating form for the historic district online at the National Park Service, or National Register for Historic Places, of which districts are a part. That should have much info.
- Question about the second photo of men at Leonard Hall, which was a terrific find. If Pope was in the class of 1886, why is he in this pic? If he was graduating with these guys, then he was in the class of 1889, the year of graduation, not entry.--Parkwells (talk) 16:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- My theory is that they took a picture of an alumnus with the graduating class of 1889. Either the magazine got the caption wrong or something else is missing. Several sources say there were only 6 men in the first class and that picture has 7 men, so I know it can't be the 1886 class. But, this is all a guess. Yeah, when I saw those pictures, I was like jackpot! I don't think many people know how much black history is in Raleigh and Durham. I'm a total history buff, so all of this is fascinating to me. I'll have to search the NPS database for a picture, but I had to remove pictures from some of the other NPS articles I've written because they weren't fair use. The only uses I could were from the National Register Collection or ones that were taken before 1923. I'll look on flickr, but the image rules on WP confuse me so much, I don't know which ones I can use off that site. I thought the tax code was confusing. It's nothing compared to the image rules here. :-/ AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 17:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- Also, I was confused about if it's a National Registered Landmark and not just a NCRL because it's on the NPS site like the other articles I've written. The Shaw website says it's a NRL, but there is no info in the database and if you notice articles like Estey Hall have the infobox, the tool I use for finding that information (it's on my userpage under 'things to do') doesn't have info for Leonard Hall. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 17:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
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- I would need to look it up, but on the Raleigh/NPS page (with the photo}, it says it's a contributing building to the historic district. That means it gets listed with the district but is not as significant (usually) as a property that is separately listed on the National Register of Historic Places. It is a NCRL. The history is fascinating - Raleigh and Durham had strong black middle and upper classes and history. I've been doing a lot of work on 19th c. disfranchisement and voting rights - their losing the vote made their thriving societies invisible to a lot of whites after supremacy was re-established. Have to admire the people who kept working at it all. --Parkwells (talk) 19:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
