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[edit] Who is good and who is bad??

Which is William McKinley and which is Leon Czolgosz?? 66.32.95.37 17:26, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

William McKinley, the president, was assassinated. Leon Czolgosz was the assassin.AnonymousII 16:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Date of birth ???

Where is there any evidence that Czolgosz was born on 1st January (or any other day, for that matter)? I've looked in vain for this information for years. JackofOz 22:40, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Hmmm. As I suspected, there is no evidence. I also suspect this has been copied from one of those terribly irresponsible websites like MSN that purport to contain accurate biog info, but where only the year of birth is known, the date defaults to 1st January. Now, it's possible he really was born on 1 Jan, but I feel it's now safe to eliminate this ring-in. Feel free to update if any evidence ever comes to light. But we have to be eternally on our guard for exposure to such historio-chronological inexactitude. Cheers JackofOz 11:42, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Date of birth revisited

Back on 25 January 2007, anonymous user 71.61.129.214 inserted "24 January 1873" as Czolgosz's date of birth, without citation or evidence. The only things this user has done on Wikipedia are 2 changes to this article, and 2 changes to 24 January. Given the lack of verification, I propose to remove the birthdate. To my knowledge, Czolgosz's DOB is unknown, and I'd need to see documentary evidence to be convinced otherwise. JackofOz 05:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Corrections made

I made three changes to the main article on 1/25/2005.

1) corrected the assertion that Czolgosz had a nervous breakdown. There was no diagnosis made and no way to really determine whether this was the case.

2) corrected "speeches" of Goldman to one speech which is all that he is known to have attended.

3) added "as far as we know" to point about LC not belonging to any groups. He left home in July, traveled between Cleveland, Buffalo, and Chicago for six weeks. Little is known about his activities or associations during that time.

These and other matters are treated in depth in a fictional context in my historical novel The Anarchist (Willowbrook Press, 2001). The book includes end notes with a discussion of materials available to researchers.

[edit] Free Society Quote

I added the quote from the Free Society newspaper thinking that it was useful to show that his fascination with violent protest forced the rest of the anarchist community to not trust him. Adios EightBitRiot

[edit] Second to last paragraph

Shouldn't the paragraph about the gun Czolgosz used be moved to earlier in the article? Is the serial number of the gun relevant at all?

[edit] Sulfuric acid

According to rotten.com sulfuric acid was poured into his coffin. I'd like to know more about this. --Tydaj 05:06, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

According to the History Channel's 10 Days That Changed America (2006) the corpse was claimed by his brother but was denied it by the New York authorities and the claim was made that 3 days after his death the corpse was dissolved by acid.

[edit] Assassins

I don't think the comment of giteau being alive at the time of McKinleys assasination in the section on Sondheims musical is accurate. Their is not a strict chronology to this play, and the assassins can interact with each other regardless of the period of their lives. Later in the play, for example, the assassins who came after Oswald plead with him to kill Kennedy in order to make their acts mean something.

[edit] A Couple of Things

Somewhere in the fog of studying the McKinley assassination, some time ago, I want to say that I read that the Czolgoszses (sic), came from the German (Silesian) area of Partioned Poland. Whether they did or not, is not an earth shattering bit of information, that needs to be addressed. But why, in any case, is there a link to Russian-Americans at the bottom of the article?

As an additional piece of information, I am under the impression that the authorities added lime to Czolgosz's coffin, not sulfuric acid, to hasten disfiguration and decomposition of his body. Dr. Dan 19:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

One of the photos is blocking the text...could someone fix that? I'm not expert enough. Czolgolz 20:34, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation?

A pronunciation guide is desperately needed for the name "Czolgosz." --LostLeviathan 05:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Its a Polish name, so if you know the rules of Polish orthography its actually quite simple. However, since few people know this Ill say it. tʃɔl gaʃ. Rufly in English: CHOL-gosh.AnonymousII 16:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Electrocution Film

The actual event wasn't filmed, it was a reconstruction.

[edit] Contradictions in his Early Life

First the article states that he was "One of two children". Then it says "He left his family farm in Cleveland, Ohio, at the age of ten to work at the American Steel and Wire Company, with two of his brothers." Then it states "When Czolgosz was 12, his mother died while giving birth to another child." The first statement obviously contradicts both of the following statements. Doctors without suspenders 01:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

The whole article needs a lot copyediting and "tweaking". Dr. Dan 01:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Heh, I guess it does. Doctors without suspenders 23:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last Effects and "The Quarter"

Trying to figure out where the "2218 Quarter" detail in the Trivia section came from. Anyone have a citation? Verification? Tocath 04:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The only place I found a reference was in a giant list of urban legends, i.e. the "Duck quacks do not echo, and no one knows why" kind. I removed the line because in my opinion a claim of this magnitude needs to be proven before it can be added. You want to say he had chicken for dinner? Fine. I can give you the benefit. You claim there was a quarter dated from 200 years in the future? Prove it. 67.182.147.140 17:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Good call. I was thinking about trying to find a copy of Sarah Vowell's "Assassination Vacation" and see if she mentions something like that. If it's mentioned anywhere, it would probably be in McKinley's home / museum... Tocath 18:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

hate that I missed that when I removed another mention of it. Mefanch 21:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

"Among the personal effects found in his cell was a U.S. quarter stamped with the date 2218. The face in profile on said quarter was not George Washington, but rather a face which has yet to be identified." That's a creepypasta from the *chans.70.138.167.143 (talk) 04:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fiction?

Sarah Vowell's Assassination Vacation is not fiction.

Which is why it's not really relevant, it's just research that somebody did...we can't list all the books that researched a Presidential assassin, you'd see hundreds - even for Czolgosz there are multiple books just about him. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 07:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] C's religion

wasnt this guy jewish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.45.61.254 (talk) 03:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

No. Where did you get such a odd idea? His family was Catholic. He himself renounced any religious affiliation. NaySay (talk) 15:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] His Last Words:

This article's quite out of sync with the William McKinley assassination article. This article currently states:

His last words were "I killed the President because he was the enemy of the good people — the good working people. I am not sorry for my crime."

Those very well may be his last words, but on the way to Death Row, he said many things in direct contradiction:

http://ublib.buffalo.edu/libraries/exhibits/panam/law/trial/regret.html

"I wish the people to know I am sorry for what I did. It was a mistake and it was wrong. It I had it to do over again I never would (10 it. But it is too late now to talk of that. I am sorry I killed the President. I was all stirred up. I was alone In what I did and, honestly, there was no conspiracy. No one else urged or told me to do it. I did it myself. There was one mistake about the trial. It was that I did not go to Niagara Falls to kill the President. I only thought of killing him for about one day before I did lt. But I was all alone. No one else had anything to do with it and I have nothing to say to any who may think that what I did was a wise or good thing. It was not.

. . . and that's just an excerpt; he goes on to repeat himself. So the "not sorry" quote needs a citation more than ever.
--63.25.247.151 (talk) 13:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)