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[edit] Editing

Just made a quick run through and added headings. Might do more thorough editing later. --Wilson(cc) 21:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

The two articals should be merged as they cover very similar topics add at the bottom of the history.--Wilson(cc) 21:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Is there a source for this information? It doesn't map to anything I know about the lenca and their history, nor is it reported as part of the oral literature on any of the Honduran Lenca scholarly works I'm familiar with. --rsheptak 4 November 2006 (UTC)

A very good question. If it is not actually original research by some prior editor, then whatever references they used would seem to be rather suspect. It is almost a fantasist work, and is in desparate need of total rewrite with authorative, rather than hearsay, sources.--cjllw | TALK 01:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

One of the links I removed was to a website called something like RoyalMayaLenca.com, which no longer exists, and I suspect was the "source" of the information. The material presented here may map to the beliefs of some Salvadoran group of Lenca, but certainly does not match any beliefs of the Lenca of Honduras that I'm familiar with. First of all, they aren't the Maya-Lenca, those are two distinct, mutually unintelligible language families. There were at least 3 Lenca dialects in Honduras in the 16th century, and what lenca survived into the 20th century showed that Salvadoran and Honduran Lenca were different from each other, and had been separated for thousands of years. All three honduran dialects are now thought to be extinct. The modern Lenca of Honduras only retain a limited lenca vocabulary. Rsheptak 02:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, I found the text from royalmaya.com using google's cache, and the same text at the following live URL: http://biosphere.biologydaily.com/biology/El_Salvador with the additional note that it comes from something called "Historia de Tradición oral Lenca", by Chevez 1990. I suspect this is the same Chevez who lists himself as the current successor in the royal line in the list. I have not been able to locate this text in Berkeley's system, or other references to it using online article databases or google scholar. Same text is there in the Spanish version of wikipedia, BTW. In short, Chevez may believe this, but I can find no indication that other salvadoran's share in this belief. The other salvadoran sites that quote the text state they're quoting wikipedia. Rsheptak 03:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I see- a fine piece of detective work, Rsheptak. As, it would seem, an example of delusional fabrication by a single unsupported source, I would favour scrapping this article and its entire content -nothing seems particularly salvageable- and starting anew at Lenca with something corroborated by published and reviewed research.--cjllw | TALK 12:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rename and restart

Per the above, I have moved this article to Lenca people and removed all that was previously purporting to describe the entity "Maya Lenca Principality", which on balance seems to be little more than a highly fanciful, an certainly unverified, claim of one person's supposed genealogy and inheritance of the "Lenca crown". If anyone feels there was something to the previous contents, then please provide independent references to back it up before attempting to re-add. In the meantime, this needs to be worked into a genuine article on the peoples and their culture/history.--cjllw | TALK 08:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on a new article and am currently rereading the published sources on the Lenca. Rsheptak 19:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Rsheptak, and will look forward to any expansion and needed improvements you are able to make.--cjllw | TALK 00:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)