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1. The term viking is never, ever mentioned in connection with ledung. Contrary, the ledung organization was established as fleet defence against vikings. (removing viking) Dan Koehl 14:48, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
2. The ledung was known before viking age and at least until +1300. What is so typical viking-age with it? What is the relevance for this remark, except to argue a connection between viking and ledung, in order to be able to proof that viking was a part of ledung system. (sounds crazy, but is an option in this case, I believe?Dan Koehl 20:05, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

In Denmark, the situation changed since 1134, when German cavalry appeared in the country. Before 1169, each Danish shipmaster had to bring a horse and a crossbow to the leiðangr ship. In 1169 the farmer's fleet levy disolved and was replaced by a smaller, professional army of the so called: "herræmæn" [herraemaen].

In Sweden a similar system was introduced before 1281. In Norway, at the end of the 12th century, the strategy for warfare changed: it was centered on a few "grand ships", and in contrast to Denmark, the farmers could still be called upon for active service, although in smaller numbers, e.g. six men out of a forty-man ship in 1273.

-- Ruhrjung 09:51 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)

The present sentence Viking Age Scandinavians. The leiðangr was however established long before the beginning of the Viking Age. shows very clearly that there is no need to use vikingage here, (normally said to be 800-1066) its more correct to use medevial (ca 450-1450) which much more reflect the time period the leadung was used. If noone has wellfouned objections, Ill change to medevial.Dan Koehl 13:35, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Current understanding is that leiðangr was estabished in Scandinavia first in Denmark at the end of Viking Age and during the 11th century in Norway and Sweden. It was not a specifically Viking Age institution and certainly not early than that. The reason why it could not exist earlier is that it was a complicated, centralized system for creating naval transportation and required an organized, unified rule. There certainly were navies in Scandinavia before leiðangr, but those operated on different kind of basis. --Drieakko 09:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Isn't Fyrd more common in English?

If we use one article for both the English and Scandinavian institutions, we should probably use the English name on the English Wikipedia...

[edit] older than our oldest records

"It is likely that the obligation of Englishmen to serve in the fyrd or peoples army is older than our oldest records."

Perhaps this should be written better? It's a bit fairy tale/ mythological in style, not very encyclopaediac or particularly informative... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.133.79.7 (talk) 23:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)