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[edit] Whitehall High School

We could really use an article on Whitehall High School in Whitehall Township, if someone could get around to that. Also, there are a few other public high schools listed in the education section that still need articles. It would be great if someone could take the lead in starting these, and I'll certainly do my best to assist with them too. PAWiki 19:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] High School Affiliations

I would like to include the high schools for all of the notable people listed in the Lehigh Valley article. Many have their high schools listed in their articles (I'd say about half do), but the rest do not. Does anyone know where the rest of these people went to high school? Post the answers here and I'll update all relevant pages. Thanks. PAWiki 22:17, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warren County, NJ

I've noticed that the article for Warren County, and indeed the articles for municipalities in the County, makes note of the County being a part of the Lehigh Valley. This is very true culturally, commerically, et cetera. In that light, would it be of benefit to reflect that here in the article describing the region? FPX Media 20:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

This is basically a knock-off of Allentown, PA, almost the same page. I'm suggesting a merge, but only on this page as not to disrupt the quality of the Allentown article.--TREYWiki 19:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Strong Oppose:The Lehigh Valley is a geographical region of the state, not Allentown. -- JA10 T · C 23:33, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I concur with JA10. The Lehigh Valley is not just Allentown, it is also Kutztown, Bethlehem, Easton, and Phillipsburg to name a few. (→zelzany - review) 23:35, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
This isn't a ballot. Really, nothing on wikipedia is actually supposed to be a ballot (even XfD's). And your friend who likes to remove maintenance tags has come days ago and swooped the tag, so your a little late. --T. Wiki 00:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
If I'd ever see that, it would be uncalled for. And it was never going to be a poll, it was supposed to be a discussion. (→zelzany - review) 01:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, you can pretty much take it off now. But I would think about merging this and the Allentown MSA Page; because that is basically what this is. --T. Wiki 01:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah right. The Lehigh Valley is the city of Allentown. I live here so I know what I'm talking about and last time I checked, a region of the state is not a city. -- JA10 T · C 01:51, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Hmm I dont know what your talking about. But the ABE MSA page says this:The region is often referred to as the Lehigh Valley, and is known locally as "the Valley". And other things that would suggest a merge.--T. Wiki 01:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
By they way, MSA means metropolitan statistical area, not city. --T. Wiki 01:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Still an oppose because the Lehigh Valley is a geographical region of the state and the metro article is totally different even if it says its referered to as the Lehigh Valley. This article is about a landform not a metro area. -- JA10 T · C 02:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

(de-indent) This page makes tons of references to the MSA one and that ones makes tons of references to this one. --T. Wiki 02:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

So? MSA and a landform are a totally different thing. -- JA10 T · C 02:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
And its best to merge the MSA to this article. 1. Lehigh Valley is a common name. 2. Your right, they're almost the same thing. 3. The Valley is a landform, therefore it should be merged here not on the MSA article. -- JA10 T · C 02:15, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
1. Not a landform, a region. 2. This is what I've been saying the whole time. 3. There is a merge from tag on this page meaning merge the ABE page onto this on.(its been there for a while)--T. Wiki 02:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
A valley is a landform, last time i checked in school. It is a common name, so move the shitt from the MSA page and throw it to the Lehigh Valley article. -- JA10 T · C 02:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Strong Oppose. The ABE area and the Lehigh Valley are technically separate entities, with the Lehigh Valley encompassing a much larger area. Also, this merge proposal has been up for a month and a half now and really should be brought to closure. PAWiki

[edit] Another Lehigh Valley Corporation

Bethlehem, PA is home to the confection manufacturer Just Born, Inc. This famous company creates those adorable Peeps, little marshmallow chicks, amongst other products. Buddmar 03:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)buddmar

[edit] Boundaries

This article does an inadequate job of defining the boundaries of the Lehigh Valley. The map indicates that Carbon, Lehigh, Northampton, and Warren counties are part of the Lehigh Valley. The article, however, utilizes multiple boundary definitions--in some places it includes only Lehigh and Northampton counties, while in others it includes portions of Berks, Bucks, Carbon, and Warren counties. Inconsistencies like these are unencyclopedic and lead to awkwardly-worded attempts at reconciling conflicting language--for example, take a gander at the second paragraph in the introduction or the lists of towns and communities. Something must be done.

But what exactly should be done? The question remains: "what are the official boundaries of the Lehigh Valley?" As a (mostly) life-long resident of Northampton County, I am emphatically oppose including any portions of Berks, Bucks, Carbon, and Warren counties in the definition of the Lehigh Valley. In my experience those areas are either part of the Coal Region, Delaware Valley, Pennsylvania Dutch Country, or New Jersey, and are not considered part of the Lehigh Valley by its residents (though I'm sure a resident of, let's say, Palmerton might disagree). However, my opinion, though highly prized by me, is not dispositive and is ultimately inappropriate for an encyclopedia. What matters is what institutions like the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and the United States Census Bureau think.

So far I've come up with nothing. Any suggestions? "Country" Bushrod Washington (talk) 05:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I concur. The answer, I think, is to stick with the traditional, generally-accepted definition, that is, Lehigh and Northampton counties, which is how agencies such as L.V. Visitors & Convention Bureau, L.V. Planning Commission and Lehigh Valley Economic Development Corp. define the region. Since the Greater L.V. Chamber of Commerce includes Warren County in its service area and since it is difficult to separate Phillipsburg socially and economically, a sentence should probably be added regarding this. As for the list of places, a major revision is in order, for example, towns such as Jim Thorpe, Nesquehoning and Alpha should be removed, the census-recognized communities add nothing, and Lehigh and Northampton's townships should be considered for inclusion. I would like to hear from others before making these changes, but urge that the discussion focus on official sources. By the way, the Morning Call would not be a reliable source on the issue since much of the expanded definition stems from the newspaper's efforts to enlarge its circulation area.Allreet (talk) 01:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I couldn't find any government or public source on the Internet that defines the Lehigh Valley as the Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton-PA-NJ metro. In fact, if you limit a search to .gov and .org, most hits either refer to the Wikipedia article or derive their info from it. There are some exceptions, but a close reading of these indicates a difference between the two terms. I can't say I've looked in every nook and cranny, but I strongly suspect LV is not synonymous with ABE-PA-NJ and that this distinction needs to be made. Allreet (talk) 08:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Local Sports Organization

Hello, would like to get information on why the local sports league, Lehigh Valley Rollergirls, is "non notable" in the sports and entertainment section of Lehigh Valley wiki page. Thanks for your time.

Edb99 (talk) 15:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reducing Parochialism

In the short time I've been reviewing articles and discussions on Lehigh Valley communities, I've noticed that a considerable amount of time and attention seems to be focused on what are ultimately fairly trivial matters. Perhaps we need to step back and begin looking at things through the eyes of someone in Seattle or London. If so, we certainly would come closer to fulfilling the purposes and sentiments behind guidelines such as WP:NOT, WP:POV and WP:COI. I hope that this does not offend anyone. It's just that it appears that a great deal of energy (our primary resource) is being invested on things that are neither terribly important nor terribly interesting to anyone who lives more than 50 miles away.Allreet (talk) 02:25, 10 May 2008 (UTC)