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[edit] ARTICLE LENGTH
Let's get started on this article again. The goal is to make this a featured article - I shortened the length greatly. The original article was not coherent - it was merely a collection of random tidbits. Please see Boston College - I want the Lehigh article to be as good. I want sources too.
- Please sign your posts using four ~. Thanks! Plm209 02:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't just remove entire sections without moving them to sub-pages. If you think Athletics is too long than create a sub-page for Lehigh Athletics, etc. GCW50 00:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't see why Lehigh needs all these different sub-pages - they will become difficult to manage. This is an encyclopedia, we need to keep things concise and to the point with no information that isn't needed. Recently changed the endowment - http://www3.lehigh.edu/admsearch/admfinaid.html 128.180.196.229 16:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I tightened the main article by creating sub-pages for Athletics, Music and History. Whether information isn't needed is a very subjective opinion; subpages allow folks to dive in deeper if they're interested. Considering how many prospective students use Wikipedia, I think it's important to have more info available if they're interested in a particular area. I'll worry about managing them. GCW50 16:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Let's change 'Greek Life' and 'Tradition' into one section - 'Student Life'. Also, 'History' should be upped towards the top. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.180.237.153 (talk) 13:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Student Faculty Ratio
Who calculated the student-faculty ratio? Last time I checked, 7000/600 is not 10. -- Not a Lehigh Engineer, that's for sure. Maybe it was one of those History majors.
Student Faculty ratios traditionally don't include graduate students, so 4500/560 is 10:1
"Notable Senior Faculty & Administrator" section [1] removed by 24.129.32.5 citing Non-notability.--Bookandcoffee(Leave msg.) 18:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Clarification on School Colors and Team Names
I believe that there are two additional colors that were introduced with the mountain hawk mascot. They are Emerald Green (Hawk's eye) and some type of Gold (Hawk's beak). Can anyone confirm or deny this? - John 01:03, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
They may be the trim colors used to print a logo or further accent a uniform, but the school colors have always been and continue to be brown and white. "Brown and White" is also the name of the student newspaper. Check the bookstore to see that everything there tends to be made in brown and white colors. --38.115.22.130 18:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC) gary 28 April
A golden/tan color is also used by some teams for secondary warm ups, like shorts and warm up jerseys. The book store sells lehigh logos in a bunch of different colors, green and pink is one color combo. --MTW3ESQ
Well, Pink and Green are the official preppy colors. ;-) The 2006 Football Media Guide published by the university lists Lehigh's official colors as Brown and White. You can download it from the Lehigh sports website. The Coop in Cambridge Mass also sells t-shirts that say "HAHVAHD" but that doesn't change the spelling of the school name ;-) GCW50 01:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I saw the discussion on Team Names. Here's the official quote from the 2006 Football Recruiting/Media Guide:
- Nickname . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Mountain Hawks
- Historical Nicknames . . . . . . . . . . . Engineers, Brown & White
- Mascot . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Mountain Hawk
- Colors . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Brown and White
As a trivia question, there was movement by the student senate in the 70's to look to an alternate name for Engineers as the percentage of students evolved and the fact that Engineers was used by other schools at the time. One idea was to call us the "The Packers" but we figured Green Bay might get upset.
The 97 even developed a cheer, "ASA ASA" "PACKER PACKER PACKER", but I haven't heard I that lately GCW50 21:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Question: after seeing the revert back and forth between Mountain Hawks and Engineers, perhaps the mascot line should be changed to: Mountain Hawks (formerly the Engineers) dm 21:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Expand article?
Please someone please expand the article?
Done so. Feel free to add more.--GCW50 04:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
The article is somewhat sparse...some depth would be appreciated.
I've expanded it a bit with some history of the school and it's famous alums contributions to the country. This also makes the names Dravo, McClintic-Marshall, Grace Hall and Packard Lab mean something to current students. Feel free to add more stuff.--GCW50 04:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Urban campus = accurate?
Suburban campus? wtf? I'm changing it to urban. Whoever put that in must have been from Manhattan or Tokyo or something.
Actually, I've now described the campi (all three) in more detail. Eclectic is more accurate than urban, given the range from Fourth Street through Sayre Park, the Mountaintop and the Saucon Valley. The admissions dept likes to say that visitors coming from the north think Lehigh is in the city, and ones coming from I78 past Goodman Stadium think it's out in the country!
And yes I was born in NYC, the only real city! --GCW50 04:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC) (Lehigh '72)
[edit] NPOV
" and are readily available via e-mail, in person, or by phone." this was removed, as it is subjective and sounds like a car salesman instead of an encyclopedia. please keep contributions objective
[edit] TODO
It would be great if we could get the graduation years and conferred degrees for the list of notable alumni. I will start to work towards adding class years. Once this has been done, I will reorganize them by year, from most recent to most historical. - Jhwilliams
Suggestions: Enlarge history section, add a photo (perhaps of Asa Packer, the founder). make "Campus" it's own section, with the three campuses separated and described. "facilities" should be within these different campus sections. what is the point of "high performance computing"? that information isn't something most people search for when they wikipedia lehigh. "engineering highlights" should be shortenend as most are not directly about lehigh; rather, they are feats achieved by lehigh graduates... it also puts too much emphasis on engineering, lehigh is NOT just an engineering school. perhaps Jeanne Clary can go under history, and what is the point of Greg Hogan?
[edit] Lehigh's Logo
lehigh's logo: there are 2 Lehigh logos - the one shown is a modernized version of the original authentic logo. i say change the logo picture to the original logo, and add the modernized version next to the "lehigh" banner.
>Thanks for the suggestions. Per Wikipedia guidelines, please sign your postings here. Actually the currently pictured design IS Lehigh's current logo; the older marquis shaped symbol is Lehigh's current corporate seal. I'll add the campus header.--GCW50 18:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Current Emphasis on Engineering
Lehigh is certainly more than a engineering school. (My own degree is Business & Economics and my daughter is studying biology) but the impact of a Lehigh education on the country as described in the engineering highlights certainly puts a tangible face on the school. It also helps students understand why buildings are named Dravo, McClintic-Marshall and Packard Laboratory. I would have liked to know that when I was there.--GCW50 18:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Clery & Hogan
>Also both Clery and Hogan were probably added by someone from Lafayette. I also say delete them. --GCW50 23:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
> I think it's appropriate to have them in a "see also" section as they have now been put. Let's try and keep it that way unless anyone can think of a good reason to change it. -- Jhwilliams
That's a reasonable compromise ---GCW50 18:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Academic History
As requested, I've added a lot of history, etc., but I still think the history section could used a sub-section called "Academic History" to indicate when the different colleges were established, notable academic events, etc. Perhaps an athletic history sub section also could be added.
Any contributions gratefully accepted --GCW50 17:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I've added a start at academic history. Feel free to elaborate on it. --GCW50 22:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thank you, gc250, and other users for contributing to the history. it's nice to know a bit of history from somebody who's in the know. the trivia is quite interesting as well. however, i am wondering if there is a way of reorganizing the history section so it is more chronological rather than sectional. it is, after all, a 'history'. i'll definitely do some research. let me know what you guys think
I'm currently an IE at Lehigh, the english requirement is incorrect, it is currently two semesters of english, reading intensive and writing intensive. I ran a degree audit and here is the result, with the grades edited out, the number remaining is the amount of credits. We also have a humanities requirement which can differ by major so it shouldn't be included. But the general engineering requirement is English 1 and 2.
OK HUMANITIES AND SOCIAL SCIENCE REQUIRED COURSES
EARNED: 10.0 HOURS 3 SUB-GROUPS
200340 ENGL 001 3.0 COMPOSITION & LITERATURE 200410 ENGL 002 3.0 COMPOSITION & LIT II 200510 ECO 001 4.0 PRIN OF ECONOMICS MTW3ESQ 20:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC) --MTW3ESQ
OK I stand corrected. But when I was there in 1968-1972, everyone had to have one year of English and one year of a foreign language. But for the Business majors and engineers, you could use English as the foreign language, so most everyone had four semesters of English. I always thought that was ironic. ;-) GCW50 22:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Greek Life
There is currently no section on Greek Life at Lehigh, but nearly 1/3 of the campus is Greek (in a Fraternity or Sorority). It seems to be a very strong presence at Lehigh, and the article should reflect that (or at least mention SOMETHING about Greek life)
Please sign your posts here so we can keep things straight. I've added a bit about fraternities and sororities to the history section. As can be seen, 1/3 is half of what it used to be! GCW50 12:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Campus
campus section redone, with the three campuses described separately and with notable landmarks. please read and edit if there are any problems, and somebody should add photos of the important buildings. suggestion: the alumni memorial building, the university center, goodman stadium, etc - photos needed.
How about just moving some of the photos from the photo gallery to be with the appropriate buildings? GCW50 12:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
did just that. still waiting for some pictures of the mountaintop and goodman campuses. somebody please take some shots when they are at lehigh and add them, thank you!
[edit] High Performance Computing
Why was this section removed? I saw nothing wrong with it and I don't think it was moved elsewhere in the article. I would like to put it back into the article, but thought I would get some more opinions first. What do you think?
I added a reference to the supercomputers under the Farchild-Martindale center. To be honest, I work in the IT industry and while the technical details are interesting to me, but I don't think that level of detail is really what folks coming here are looking for. How about compressing it a bit, making it fun, and adding it to trivia? GCW50 13:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that sounds good to me. Plm209 13:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Article Length
We're starting to get a little too long for a Wikipedia article, so I went through and tightened up the wording (Thanks Lehigh and Dr. Biddle for the four semesters of English!). I also eliminated our common Wikipedia habit of using weasel words of "about", etc. in the article.
I think we're at a nice balance of information and creating interest about Lehigh without being a simple rehash of what's on www.Lehigh.Edu. Feel free to tighten it further, but let's not eliminate entire topics without discussing it here first.
I personally think the history, Lehigh Innovations, Notable Alumni and Trivia do a lot to make it interesting. I don't know where else someone would find such information in one place on the Internet.
If we want to shorten things, perhaps we could eliminate the song lyrics and just leave the link to the Marching 97's page containing all of them instead. Any thoughts ?
Don't forget to sign your name with four tildes at the end of your comment GCW50 18:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I added the lyrics to give the article some length and now that we've had so many wonderful contributions, I think we can go ahead and link to them instead. Good idea! Plm209 13:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Featured Article?
Do you think we have a good enough article to reach Featured Article Status? We've gone through some really good editing over the past few weeks and I would like to see it become featured. Please let me know what you think! Plm209 13:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead. If successful, we'll get more attention for the school and the worst they can say is "no" GCW50 14:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Alright well we're off to a subpar start, but a start nonetheless. Let's get some references in here as it seems to be a MAJOR reason for denial into FA status Plm209 16:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- How does one reference an eyewitness source, such as myself, for the way things were in the 1968-1973 era ? ;-). For example, you won't find any reference to the steam tunnels written anywhere, but I'll be happy to show the doors to get to them in the UC, Chandler, Richards, Drown, etc. Of course, nowadays they're securely padlocked and marked "confined space".
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- There's a lot more in the article than things only proven by an eyewitness source. A lot of the information here can probably be easily referenced if someone put the time into it. Bgold4 23:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Also, can someone on campus take a picture of Goodman Stadium and the Iaccoca Tower so we can add a picture to each of those two sections? I won't be up to the campus for a month or so. 17:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll be down on the 23rd of August so I will make sure to get those pictures.Plm209 18:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, so one of the most glaring problems deals with the trivia section. I really like the facts in there and it adds something to the article for those who are already familiar with the base sections. Is there any way that you can think of to place those facts into other areas? That would be a major step in the positive direction!Plm209 12:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Steam Tunnels
PS-Where would one find these tunnel entrances. I've been wondering since I arrived at Lehigh last year. Plm209 18:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't recommend trying it today with confined space OSHA regulations, but since you asked:
Obviously, the tunnel access doors are on the basement or ground floors of the buildings, often by stairwells. In the UC, it's by the stairwell at the east end where ROTC is now and where the radio station was. This was our usual starting point as the transmitter powering the cables was there.
After climbing over, under and through "Gertler's Dragon" (a massive underground connection that linked different pipe runs, sometimes blowing steam through a relief valve and named after a former Chief Engineer of WLRN), you could come out in Chandler in a janitor's closet under the central stairs. From there you get to the powerplant.
Or after the dragon you could go uphill through Drown and come out in Richards at the bottom of the west end stairwell. I confirmed that door still exists two years ago when my daughter was a freshman in Richards. However it's locked.
Hint. To follow the tunnels above ground (which is the only way ANYONE should explore them today) , wait for the first light snowfall and look for where it's melted by the heat. The path is very evident in the Freshman quad. GCW50 14:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that info. I've been looking since I first got there and heard of them. And don't worry, I have no intentions of entering as it would result in immediate expulsion or so we were told during freshman orientation. Plm209 16:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lehigh-Laf Rivalry Page
I have started a new page to deal with the information on the Lehigh-Lafayette Rivalry. I figured we could include stats from every game played in the series (ie. who won? & score if available). We could also include some of the traditions from LEhigh-Laf week and get rid of some of the trivia section on this page. If someone out there could find the page with the statistics, it would be greatly appreciated. I know there is one, since I have seen it, but I can't seem to find it. Check out The Game (college football) for more ideas. Plm209 12:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I added annual data to the page. Any thoughts on just calling it "The Rivalry" similar to "The Game"?GCW50 13:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I think that's an excellent idea. Maybe make some redirects to a new page with the same info Plm209 00:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Association of American Universities
Is Lehigh a member or not? This page says it is, the Association of American Universitites page says nothing about Lehigh. Someone should edit that page and category to reflect this, or remove the reference here.Mattnt 16:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed the category as it doesn't seem that Lehigh is a member. AAU appears to promote research over students; Lehigh's priorites are the opposite (and, to my mind, more appropriate!) GCW50 15:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Alumni
I suggest we separate off this section into another page and category. See Tulane. Mattnt 16:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Makes sense to me, now that we've found a lot! GCW50 15:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
While I agree that moving the list of alumni to a separate page was good idea, I think we should have a few of the more famous alumni (Packard, Iacocca, etc.) listed on the main Lehigh page. Thoughts? Michael Kowalski 03:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Consider it done. Mattnt 01:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
We seem to having more and more more alumni creeping back onto the main page. Please move them to the alumni page created just for this. GCW50 18:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
My comments have been ignored and even MORE sports alumni have now been added to the main page. I've deleted them. Please add any alumni to the the separate alumni page after you've done your homework and determined their class at Lehigh. GCW50 18:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Trivia
We should move the trivia section to a separate page. It is one of the longest I've seen and was a big reason why the featured article nomination failed. Thoughts? Mattnt 14:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
It's OK with me, as long as it's still accessible. GCW50 18:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rankings
Per WP:PRESTIGE and my own self-anointed crusade to cut out university rankings in WP articles, I greatly cut down on the length of the rankings section as it was arbitrarily selected and biased to list areas in which Lehigh was portrayed in a favorable light. Rankings shouldn't be in university articles at all as they are very POV, but it will be a cold day in hell when that happens (one only needs to visit the UPenn or UChicago pages to see how contentious ranking-maintaining is). I replaced it with a much more concise, NPOV, and referenced section. Please be aware that the current "YYY" in the article is meant as placeholders since at the time of my writing this the SJTU and THES websites were down, hence I could not access the appropriate rankings. Madcoverboy 06:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
