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Contents 1 Oblivion character 2 Additions and sources 3 Additions and sources - comment 4 Italics of "grey"? 5 Legolas' birth date 6 surname 7 odd question 8 Original research 9 pure especulation 10 "Wooden actor playing a Wood-elf" 11 Elves? 12 Legolas of Gondolin 13 Pronunciation

[edit] Oblivion character

I created a Legolas character and I have issues with which skills to use. I have Marksmen, Blade, Sneak, Security, Light Armor, and Restoration, what should be the 7th skill (alchemy maybe)? What should the class name be? (I put alchemy in and I called the class Elvin Prince, kinda lame.)

[edit] Additions and sources

An anonymous user today added a great deal of information about Legolas' appearance and weaponry. I think that the information added came from a number of sources, including the films and possibly trading cards or games or some such. (I'm fairly certain that Tolkien never specified the draw weight of Legolas' bow, for instance.) If there were a Tolkien Wikiproject, it could establish a standard of how to handle questions like this. Since there isn't, I guess we've got to hash it out here on a case-by-case basis.

So here's my perspective on how to handle matters of canon: I think it's fine to include material from the films, role-playing games, trading cards or whatever, as long as the source is clearly stated. The default for Tolkien-related articles should be material from the legendarium itself; other information can be included, with appropriate sourcing. It should be clearly stated what comes from Tolkien himself (in the novel or the Letters or other writings), what comes from the films, and what comes from other sources such as the games. Does that seem like a good working standard to people? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:02, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Additions and sources - comment

Seems fine to me. I would say that the draw weight of Legolas' bow comes from a reference book I have on the Films, written in a "LOTR is real" perspective. The book is "The Lord of The Rings, Weapons and Warfare" by Chris Smith, with a foreword by Christopher Lee. It contains such info as the fact that the effective distance of one of Legolas' Lorien arrows (a gift from Galadriel) would have been 400 yards, compared to a Gondorian arrow @ 200yards or a crossbow bolt @300yards. I don't know which parts were added, but here is a quote from my book: " There was some quality to the mallorn wood that kept its draw at around 150 pounds, similar to the mirkwood bow despite its greater length and range." When not carried in the hand, the bow could be stored in a leather holster that was tied to the quiver suspension system with rawhide points. The arrows were about 40 inches long and slightly thinner than the mirkwood arrows in order to keep the weight down..." (the author is talking about the gift (bow) from Galdriel}. questions n stuff email me>>> silvarbullet1@yahoo.com

[edit] Italics of "grey"?

Is the word "grey" supposed to be italicaized throughout the article? It looks strange to me, but perhaps there is a reason I don't know about? Waqcku 22:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I can't think of a reason for it, so I'm going to be bold and remove the italics. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Legolas' birth date

The boxed summary of basic information on Legolas states that he was born after the end of the Third Age. This is not known for certain. Indeed, if Legolas were born in the First Age, that would explain the absence of his birthdate from the LotR Tale of Years, which covers only the Second and Third Ages (and the beginning of the Fourth). I suspect that many Tolkien fans simply don't want to think of Legolas as being that old. Gildir, 13 January 2006

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Being relatively new to the question of Legolas' birth date, but by now having already read quite a lot of arguments which hint to younger or older age of that elf, I wonder whether anybody figured out something about his anchestors' (father's or grand father's) birth dates, to get at least an absolute reliable maximum age.

I couldn't find anything interesting neither on Thranduil's nor on Oropher's sites...

Dirk Stegemann 22:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] surname

In the article, it says 'greenleaf' is a translation of legolas's name.. not a surname. But in the beginning, it has it as 'legolas greenleaf', like a surname. (ChildOfMorella 18:01, 27 February 2006 (UTC))

All true... it is just that the use of the two names together like that is not meant to indicate a surname in this case. His father was not 'Thranduil Greenleaf'. It's just his name in both Sindarin and English. --CBDunkerson 19:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] odd question

This is gonna sound really odd...(I'm NOT obcessed) but does any1 speak Elvish? (ChildOfMorella 18:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC))

Yes and no. There are plenty of people who are familiar with Tolkien's elvish languages (primarily Sindarin and Quenya), but nobody really speaks them as living languages because Tolkien didn't develop them fully in that way... he concentrated more on vocabulary than grammar. --CBDunkerson 19:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Original research

Put here for reference.

On Bloom's changing eye color:

Fans have come up with several explanations for this seeming inconsistency. Two possibilities stand above the rest as the most likely: (1) Legolas brought an extra tunic and jerkin from Mirkwood and decided to wear it at this moment, (2) The elves of Lothlorien, under the leadership of Haldir, gave Legolas a new tunic of their own make (or one they had traded with other elves) for him to wear. The most common explanation for why he would change his tunic is that his other one was dirty from the long trek up to that point and he wanted to have it washed in the clean waters of the Nimrodel.

On Legolas killing 43 at the Hornburg in the film, not 42 as in the book:

This brings up an interesting possibility that could further illuminate the playful antagonism between the two characters. Legolas might give his count as "42" but secretly tells an untruth and really has only killed 41 Uruk-hai, but wants to make sure he has more than Gimli. Gimli, who has only killed 42 gives his answer as "43", to make sure he bests the elf. It is not clear, however, whether this was an intentional change on the part of the filmmakers, though it seems likely that it was, since the original numbers were so clear in Tolkien's own text.

202.57.97.8 09:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pure especulation

this encyclopedic entry is 90% especulation.

No, it's all from books. Uthanc 09:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Wooden actor playing a Wood-elf"

This was here some months ago, but was deleted. If we could find a source, does it merit inclusion? Or is it too POV? ;-) Uthanc 10:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elves?

The race is elves? Shouldn't it be 'elven'? It's like mistaking 'humans' for 'human', or 'dragons' for 'draconian'. --201.230.159.83 16:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legolas of Gondolin

Current text is:

Legolas of Gondolin was possibly a Noldorin Exile, of the House (kindred) of the Tree. However, the published Silmarillion, in describing Turgon's founding of Gondolin, states that Turgon took with him up to a third of the people under Fingolfin, but an even larger number of the Sindar. Thus, whether Legolas of Gondolin was of Noldorin or Sindarin descent is debatable.

I would suggest that there's no debate at all. At the time of the Lost Tales, the population of Gondolin was entirely of the Noldoli: nor can one dodge by observing that Turgon's army retreating from the battle may have picked up some Ilkorin stragglers, since Tinwelint permitted no Elves of Artanor to take part. By the time, many years later, Tolkien decided to include a Sindarin component among the Gondolindrim, the first-age Legolas was surely gone, or at least (theoretically) renamed.--96.228.25.5 (talk) 14:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

I am changing the IPA pronunciation indication to the (to the best of my knowledge) correct Sindarin ['lɛgɔlas]. Shouldn't this be the standard for all such articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.84.170.52 (talk) 20:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)