Talk:Legend of Mana

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What the? LIKE Seiken Densetsu? This game IS a Seiken Densetsu game. Perhaps "like Secret of Mana" would be more appropriate, but that's still a little silly, considering it's in the same series. That'd be like saying "Final Fantasy VII is a roleplaying game, like Final Fantasy VI."

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[edit] Legend of Mana manga

There is a 5 part Legend of Mana manga, but all the sites I've found so far are in German. Does anyone have any information about it, like the company that produced it? ~ Hibana 03:33, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

A scanlation group called Cabbit translated it, but I only read a few chapters, as the manga is not very good. Look into that if you want information. Regards, --Sn0wflake 19:52, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Good Links for Strategy

I am having problem looking for good links on how to beat every quest, how to get them, ETC. Help will be appreciated. Carbunkel 14:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, Wikipedia is not a gameguide, so if you decide to post a link for a place like GameFAQs, don't list it as a guide. ~ Hibana 14:37, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
No need for a link to GameFAQs... it's common knowledge you can find good guides there. There is a very complete one avaliable for Legend of Mana. --Sn0wflake 16:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Link

Site that has a lot of information on Legend of Mana: http://www.manaheavenly.net Perhaps it could be added to the links section?

Done! BE BOLD! 71.250.63.157 15:10, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I find manaheavenly.net to have very little information about Legend of Mana, at present... and I kind of dislike the site design, at the moment. It also seems the forums are dead, as I've been posting a bit about Tempering and have had no replies... Sigh, how sad. (Also, "it has databases with tables" ? What other kind of databases are there? :P -JC 16:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Linked-list databases :P -Twilo 15:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots

Since there's a request for screenshots, I took a few myself. Hope they're helpful. Ultra Megatron 02:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


Screenshot showing the player and Niccolo in the town of Domina
Screenshot showing the player and Niccolo in the town of Domina
Screenshot showing the player and Niccolo in the town of Domina
Screenshot showing the player and Niccolo in the town of Domina
Screenshot showing the player and Niccolo in the town of Domina
Screenshot showing the player and Niccolo in the town of Domina
Screenshot of the player battling two Rabites
Screenshot of the player battling two Rabites


Took off box about need for screenshots, and added gallery in the end of article. 71.250.63.157 15:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Niccolo

From the article: "Niccolo, whose name seems to be a reference to Neko, the merchant cat from Secret of Mana and Seiken Densetsu 3," — I always thought it was a reference to Niccolo Machiavelli. .... —Muke Tever talk

It may very well be. I never thought it was Neko because Neko is a cat (of course) in the other games and Niccolo is a rabbit. ~ Hibana 22:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, his name in the Japanese version in all games is Nikita, and he's a cat more than anything else (he does have some rabbit-like qualities, though, especially in Legend of Mana). No idea why they decided to call him Niccolo in this one, though. Or why they wanted to go with Neko for the NA release of Secret of Mana instead of Nikita (the SD3 one, of course, was fan-translated from Nikita as well). -JC 06:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedruns

I removed this section on 6 July 2006 because:

-Legend of Mana is not a notable speedrunning game
-Records posted were held by the contributor of the section

-Twilo 15:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why Legend of Mana is any more or less notable than any other speedrun game. Legend of Mana is a very unnotable game overall - even though I love it to pieces and thinks it deserves more credit. Just because it was added by someone who happens to hold the records doesn't automatically make it a vanity addition - it actually is notable. It is, after all, verified by a rather prestigious web site. My only concern is how notable speed runs are at all --- if they were on more video game pages, I have no objections to it being added here. However, I haven't seen speed run entries on any other video game pages (that I am aware of), so perhaps it's not suitable... *shrugs* -JC 04:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Other games are being listed as well, by myself and I believe others. Just because I happend to have run it doesn't mean anything. It's factual information that's hosted on a neutral site with positive proof (in video form) of the feat completed. Links are included to previously mentioned site for fact verification, which is what Wikipedia calls for with any information. So even if I do post it, it's still neutral, thus not vanity.

And there are a LOT of games that people claim aren't "notable" which I find to be stupid. This and a number of RPGs, including (but not limited to): Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy IV, Paper Mario, etc have been run.

Just because YOU don't think it's "notable for speedrunning" doesn't mean other don't think it is. There's a number of Legend of Mana fans out there who have enjoyed the runs and do believe that when well studied (like other games) it is a perfect candidate for speed running. --Sir VG 05:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Here is the wikipedia article on notable speedrun games: Notable_games_for_speedrunning. The links Sir VG provides, while suitable for verification, do not rule out the vanity contribution assessment I made earlier: A Google test finds no non-Nicholas Hoppe records; Speeddemoarchive has no non-Nicholas Hoppe records. The speedrun records would be more suitable in one of the game wikis. There have been precedents set for this; see Talk:Final_Fantasy_VI for the discussion on FF6 speedruns. - Twilo 11:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm curious as to what your googling for. Because searching google for Nicholas Hoppe shows the Legend of Mana records on the first page of searching. Granted yes there's a ton of other things, but I can't help that my name is also the same as that of some freaken porn star and graphic editor.

As for your page of "notables", while a lot of good games are covered, there's always a limitation to a single page on Wikipedia (not to mention pretty much everything on the notable pages is all a bunch of stubs smashed together). Adding a small section on individual game pages and providing links to the runs isn't gonna break a page. --Sir VG 21:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the point, Sir VG, is that the only person who has a record for Legend of Mana is Nicholas Hoppe, making it rather unsuitable as a "notable game for speedrunning" , considering there doesn't seem to be anyone else who wants to speedrun it. As said, Legend of Mana isn't on the notable games for speedrunning, and there are precedents set - as had been mentioned - and thus I stand with the precedents, unfortunately. As much as I like the speed runs. Perhaps you could simply add it in the references link, simply listing it as "Legend of Mana speed run" or something? Rather than giving it an entire section for it, considering... -JC 05:51, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

An edit war, how fun. I'm tending to lead towards the darker side of grey here and rule it out. You do have a good case, Sir VG. Sure, it is verifiable and sure it is neutral, but, how notable is it? The very first line of the Notability guide states:

A topic has notability if it is known outside a narrow interest group or constituency, or should be because of its particular importance or impact.

I don't think this person's speedruns are going to impact upon the way LoM is considered outside of a very narrow band of people. What is more presitigious anyway? Holding the record for Link to the Past or Legend of Mana? Secondly, this impactless speedrunning of the game does not lend itself to much importance, and certainly not enough to rate outside further reading/viewing, in the main body of the article. While you may be one trying to unsettle the cart with your inclusionist view as to speedrunning, a precedence has been created and we will continue to follow it. Should this argument continue, though, I am happy for administrator involvement in this matter and their decision. -LichYoshi 09:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)