Talk:Left anarchism

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2005-04-25. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

This article was nominated for deletion on 2008-03-03. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Contents 1 Proposal for overhaul 2 Title change? 3 Dear Admins and all those concerned 4 Bob Black?

[edit] Proposal for overhaul

Although this article itself is a minefield of POV, OR, uninformative mishmash, the sources look pretty strong and the topic itself is surely worthy of inclusion. Thus, I propose we stub the article right down to one line and rebuild, cited statement by cited statement, from the references. Any thoughts? скоморохъ 23:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

No responses, so I was bold and went ahead with the stubbing. скоморохъ 01:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

All it needs are some more sources. But you seem to have taken some out. maxrspct ping me 02:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I took out some of the external links that didn't seem to address the issue directly - I don't have a problem restoring them if you feel they're relevant. But to say all the text of the article needs is a few more sources is to overlook the fact that the article has been in this sorry state of uncited original research since its creation. My idea is, if we strip he article back to an uncontroversial definition and a list of sources, we can start building it back up, line by line, from those sources instead of having to contort them to fit problematic text. So how about the compromise - re-remove the text I originally purged, but restore all the previous sources? скоморохъ 02:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually.. i am probably more in favour of deleting it as a NON-Notable term. I have never seen this in print and even a simple google search comes up with nothing but Wendy Elroy (?) site, wikimirrors, rightwing blogs and one essay -"The Incredible Lameness of Left-Anarchism " [1] which has been syndicated in a few anarchist columns including the 'Institute of Anarchism's journal. --maxrspct ping me 02:43, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, you could nominate it for deletion, but I tried that before and it was unsuccessful. In the meantime, what to you say to my proposal? скоморохъ 02:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Title change?

It looks like it's much more often called "left-wing anarchism." Operation Spooner (talk) 06:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Google begs to differ: 643 for "left-wing anarchism" vs. 5,170 for "left anarchism". скоморохъ 06:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Operation Spooner (talk) 06:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Get a grip Spooner/RJII.. i am still up for deleting the article. This is still just a POV ditty with only a few fringe and obscure references. maxrspct ping me 15:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Well.. i just reread the archive. RJII all over it plus other voices on the term being non-notable. --maxrspct ping me 15:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I am going to remind you, max, to assume good faith on the part of your fellow editors. You have accused, and not for the first time, two editors in good standing of being sockpuppets of another editor, and you have done so with no evidence whatsoever. Please try to remember that, for the most part, the motivations of other editors are at least as pure as your own. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 17:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

You have no information on what evidence or not I have. Don't bite me over something that goes back 4 years. maxrspct ping me 18:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

All I will say is that Wikipedia is an openf forum, so if you have evidence relating to another editor, present it and make your case. Otherwise, please refrain from making accusations and, once again, assume good faith. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 19:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

It is arguable whether it is forum or not or more. I do assume good faith but if I see subsequent behaviour or activity that shows otherwise I will adjust my responses accordingly. Are you not just wound up about my editing of this article? feel free to contribute. -maxrspct ping me 20:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dear Admins and all those concerned

I spend 15 mins reading the contorted AFD guidelines and information .. but i am obviously none the wiser. How am i spossed to know how to clear AFD old nomination backlogs? For those in the dark about the reasons for my nomination - Its a non-notable or fringe term that belongs in wiktionary + the page is just being filled with fringe right-wing libertarian claptrap. --maxrspct ping me 15:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I nominated it properly for you; the discussion is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Left anarchism (2nd nomination). Friendly advice: with your current rationale, editors are likely to vote keep, because the term has received coverage in reliable third party sources. You might want to find another reason for deletion besides notability, such as WP:FORK or WP:SYN. скоморохъ 15:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Black?

Doesn't Bob Black talk about "left anarchism", with respect to "post-left anarchism"? Isn't that a starting point for a decent article? I definitely think a very good first-class article can be built here, even though it might take a lot of time and several volunteers. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 17:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)