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[edit] Modern mandates

I would be in favor of reformulating the idea of UN Mandates to meet modern needs. There are a number of countries which are so misgoverned that the world should do something to help. You can make your own list, but I would suggest perhaps Haiti, Congo, Ivory Coast.

Just a simple outline.

Administering mandates should be done by UN members who are not permanent security council members.

The mandates should be administer to insure:

 A: to insure Efficient government
 B: To eliminate corruption at all levels
 C: To establish health care institutions including schools for training health care workers.
 D: To establish an educational system
 E: To provide training and support for native businesses
 F: To negotiate specific aid projects on behalf of the mandate
 G: To establish a competent police force free of competition

In administering these mandates the administrators must insure that the mandate is protected from exploitation by outside parties.

I would enjoy the comments of others to this idea.

Howard McCarthy Lakeport, CA odessaguy@yahoo.cpm

[edit] Reply

Although this is not the place to discuss it, I agree that some parts of the world are misgoverned: for instance, the United States has the disgusting habit of killing its own criminals... My point being, who is to decide on what countries are misgoverned? Flooding countries with humanitarian aid is as bad as we see: corruption, inefficiency, lack of local development. And if the UN concluded that a particular country was ungovernable, terraformation (aka genocide)?
Besides, isn't your idea already in place in Kosovo?
But it's funny, though: when I was a teen I wrote a sci-fi short story that adressed that, calling them "Blue areas".
Ricardo monteiro 11:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)


Nice to meet you. Notice that I said that mandates would go to countries that are not permanent members of the Security Council.

I am not sure how to go about it, but if there was a way it would be of great benefit to countries such as Haiti, I'm sure you will agree.

Howard McCarthy


Well, you still don't set the criteria to make a country eligible. Take a look at democracy like you and I see it: you vote in a bipartisan system, I have plenty of parties to choose from; your president is the leader of the cabinet, my president can sack the prime-minister if he behaves badly; and so on.
Are any of our countries less democratic than others? Would you consider Venezuela democratic? And Cuba? Yet in the first case the leader was freely elected and in the second case there are undeniable social benefits. Where to draw the line in order to deploy "Blueaucracy"?
In my opinion, we have to let people get there by themselves.
We in Europe fought for 1000 years until slowly democracy, peace and good living conditions became the standard. Shouldn't we allow Africa to do the same, first of all by letting them draw new frontiers instead of the ones we imposed?
The United Nations system was a major improvement in international relations - it was really the first one since the end of papal sovereignty - and sure needs improvement, but not by occupying territories with refurbished arguments used since the Romans.
Ricardo monteiro


Just a few comments on your last note.

A. There are essentially two common types of democratic governments, a presidential system and a parliamentary one. Both types have many variations, but both allow the citizens to chose who will run the government and the basic policies the government will adapt. As to the number of candidates one may choose from, we also have many choices.

B. I agree that Hugo Chavez is the democratically elected President of his country. Fidel Castro of course is not. Cuba is a hell hole for most Cubans. They have to wait until he dies before any change can occur.

C. For many poor countries, mostly African, I don't believe that they need to indure another 1,000 years of bad governments, pverty, illness and backwardness because Europe did.

My original note was simply an idea put forward to elicit other ideas on how the rest of the world might hasten their progress.

Howard


I was asking: is election enough to proclaim that a State is democratic? All countries have elections (not sure about North Korea) but we obviously cannot compare elections in the US to those in Cuba.
Venezuela is the old Democracy dilemma: can an elected official overturn the freedom he stood for? As far as I know, he's making some undemocratic changes, always claiming the people his with him. Of course, freedom doesn't give you the right to end freedom.
As to Africa, I don't think they must wait 1000 years, but I believe the more we keep this kind of "Live Aid" help instead of opening our markets to their produces the more corruption will undermine those societies, in part because in most cases we're dealing with artificial entities created by European powers in the 1800s.
My country - who got there first - dealt only with local chiefs, that's why we had a hard time in the Berlin conference. You probably don't know, but Portugal and the UK (allies since 1385) fought for the control of southern Africa and there was a British ultimatum when Portugal presented a map with a claim for the territory between Angola and Mozambique.
Ricardo monteiro

[edit] Palesine and Transjordan as separate mandates

Elsewhere in Wikipedia and the internet it is reported that there was just one Palestinian mandate including present day Israel, Israeli controlled territories, and Jordan (plus a little of Syria). It is implied (but as far as I can tell never explicitly written) that the League of Nations never split the Palestinian mandate.

Did the League of Nations create a separate mandate for TransJordan, or was there only one class A mandate for the whole of Palestine? --Jsolinsky 01:15, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am going to modify the text in accord with the better referenced British Mandate of Palestine article. Jsolinsky 19:29, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


The original mandate was Transjordan. Transjordan was subdivided in 1948, with the division being 90% Arab (Jordan), and 10% Jewish (Isreal), which was agreed to by all parties at the time. The Arabs reneged on the agreement the day after the division went into effect by invading in (and losing) in the 1948 war. 76.226.66.120 06:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Germany

Weren't the Free City of Danzig, the Memelland and the Saarland mandates as well? Känsterle 21:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Somebody says "no" [1].--Matthead 23:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
There were certain attempts to impose international regulations on the status of these territories, but it wasn't done through the mandate system, so they aren't related to this article. Newyorkbrad 21:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Connect to UN Trusts

I linked to the UN Trust article thinking it would explain what happened to Palestine, Iraq, etc after 1946 and found that article only seems to cover the class 2 and 3 mandates. I have no clue as to what should be there or how to structure it which is why I was here. Mulp 03:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Palestine/Jordan, Iraq, and Syria/Lebanon never entered the U.N. trusteeship system (Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon were granted full independence before the U.N. was formed, and Palestine's status was, to say the least, contested). For further information you can see the articles on those respective mandates/countries. Newyorkbrad 21:54, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norway offered mandate areas?

I have a vague memory of reading as a child that Norway was offered one or two mandate areas after World War I due to the importance of the Norwegian merchant fleet. As many of you may know Norway was referred to as "The Neutral Ally". Norway however supposedly turned this down an used the goodwill to secure sovereignty over Svalbard. Can anyone confirm this? - Nidator 17:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC) -