User talk:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles/Archive 10
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- Thanks! :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
saving articles
Cool. Never saw those two before. I'll take a look. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 22:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'm glad that my post had some positive results! I've really found improving articles and saving them from deletion to be an incredibly rewarding experience, as after all that's what our project is all about, i.e. not destroying the work of others that a select few individuals deem "unencylopedic" because they don't like it, but rather working in a constructive and cooperative effort to write the most comprehensive encyclopedia ever attempted by humans. Happy editing! :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 22:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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- I hope you find the Article Rescue Squad and Intensive Care Unit useful and enjoyable! Have a wonderful day! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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RE: Your AfD closures (positive message)
Thank-you. You will note, however, that I only take the time to provide such extended rationale in cases where I think the outcome could be questioned. In the straight-forward typical afd's I do not. This was something I learned the hard way, from my first month as admin, where I received 11 Deletion reviews. Although most of those reviews were closed as closing endorsed, it created far too much unnecessary wikidrama. It was very kind of you to recognize this effort, as it is certainly much more time-consuming to do, and it does open up more opportunities for people to poke holes in the smaller details of my logic, but overall, as you say, I think it is the prudent thing to do. Thanks, JERRY talk contribs 18:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome and again, I appreciate seeing a thorough explanation as too often the results are posted and its not clear who the closer came to his/her decision. Keep up the good work! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Textile Arts newsletter
Hello again, this month's textile arts newsletter highlights the expansion of top-importance knitting and good article candidacy for Palestinian costumes. We've had several more new articles appear at Template:Did you know and other exciting developments. Regards, DurovaCharge! 23:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks! I hope all is well with you. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 23:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Glad to read that. School seems to be going fine, although I am feeling a bit depressed, but what can you do? Anyway, I made a few grammar corrections to the articles mentioned above. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 23:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks very much, I noticed. I've been doing mostly image work the last week or so; have some new articles getting set to start. Does this sound odd? I've actually started orgainzing my project work around generating material to fill the newsletter. Cheers, DurovaCharge! 23:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- I did upload a couple new images in the last few days. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks very much, I noticed. I've been doing mostly image work the last week or so; have some new articles getting set to start. Does this sound odd? I've actually started orgainzing my project work around generating material to fill the newsletter. Cheers, DurovaCharge! 23:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- Glad to read that. School seems to be going fine, although I am feeling a bit depressed, but what can you do? Anyway, I made a few grammar corrections to the articles mentioned above. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 23:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
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empty threats
Thanks for the heads-up about the activity on my talk page. I've replied there and on the an/i thread. Please revert any such shite you see and be assured that there are nice admins looking into this shite and range blocking as needed. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:23, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Dear Jack, well, you and I may disagree in AfDs and that ArbCom case about episodes and fictional character articles, but I definitely think threats like what I saw on your page from the IP are unacceptable and go beyond civil disagreements about content. People can have spirited discussions without having heated and unfriendly discussions and I hope that those threats that I mentioned on ANI are indeed empty and that whoever did post that does not go beyond a difference of opinion on some website. So, I hope that you and your family are safe and I will certainly let you know about and report any such instances of unacceptable behavior like what I saw earlier again. All the best, sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 07:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
En realidad
It was me who left the message in Jimbo Wales' discussion, but I didn't log in. Thank you very much for the welcome. Chau y gracias de nuevo. --Greek2 (talk) 22:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome and happy editing! Sincerley, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 22:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello
Thank you for the welcome. Playahata69 (talk) 05:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Welcome!
Hello, Playahata69, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay.
- You're welcome and happy editing! :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 05:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I know what your name means:
Literally translated, it's "The Grand King of Pumpkins". Interesting choice, I say. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- That is correct! Halloween is my favorite holiday! And I have drank pumpkin ale and wine, use pumpkin shampoo, pumpkin bubble bath, etc. and I make pumpkin treats for my students. :) Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 22:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- Pumpkin wine? I didn't even know there was such a thing! It sounds good, though. Halloween is also one of my favourite holidays, along with Thanksgiving. Since you're from America (or in it, according to your userboxes) I guess you celebrate Thanksgiving in November; I celebrate it in October. But no matter when you celebrate either holiday, they both kick ass, agree? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 23:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yup, pumpkin wine (see here). Yes, we celebrate Halloween on October 31st and Thanksgiving nearly a month later. It's hard to not like holidays! :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 23:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- Pumpkin wine? I didn't even know there was such a thing! It sounds good, though. Halloween is also one of my favourite holidays, along with Thanksgiving. Since you're from America (or in it, according to your userboxes) I guess you celebrate Thanksgiving in November; I celebrate it in October. But no matter when you celebrate either holiday, they both kick ass, agree? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 23:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ever try Pumpkin Spice Latte (see here) at Starbucks? Simply mahvelous! (from Billy Crystal). BTW, may I call you Le Grand or LGR for short (with all due respect of course)? — Becksguy (talk) 00:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link. I have not yet tried it and have added it to my list of stuff to try. LGR is perfectly fine as I sign emails LGRdC, others like Chaser my wikimentor just say "Roi." Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
- How about Ghapama? Unfortunately its not a very popular dish. More here VartanM (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
- Looks good! But unfortunately, due to diverticulitis, I am unable to eat anything with chopped food such as almonds that can get caught in my digestive organs. I have also had pumpkin butter and pumpkin cookies, but I no longer can eat pumpkin seeds. :( Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
continuing our friendship
"the handful of editors who misuse Twinkle in such a fashion and whose contributions are almost entirely nominations for deletions and few if any "keep" votes or mainspace improvements all seem to rapidly appear in each other's AfDs" — I believe if that was what actually happens, those users would have wound up at RfC/RfAr quite a while ago. You're not by any chance aware of any such RfC? If not, why not open one to get wider input from the community? You see, those are serious allegations of malicious misconduct you're making there. Not to be made or taken lightly.
As far as the rest of your very lame "argument" goes: I try to never "vote" in AfDs, because it is not a vote. Please try to get at least that tiny bit into your head. Again: AfD is not a vote, it is a discussion. That said, I have (get ready, here comes something totally new for you...) brought up "reliable, third-party secondary sources" to underscore my reasoning as to why we should keep an article on several occasions.
No-holds-barred inclusionism. Think about it. No, seriously, please do.
Sincerely, User:Dorftrottel 18:33, February 9, 2008
- For one thing, sticks and stones and all that. Anyway, though, yes we are currently having an arbitration case on episodes and characters in which misuses of Twinkle, mass nominations for deletions, etc. have indeed been discussed and not just by me. Moreover, I and others of the more inclusionist leanings have been thoroughly harassed by accounts with near deletion only edit histories that used or were sockpuppets (such as Blueanode, Burntsauce, Dannycali, and Eyrian to name a few) and those who misuses Twinkle have indeed been brought before administrators (such as here). Your edits in these discussions are increasingly mean and are not helping you in these discussions. If you have indeed used sources as evidence to keep articles, then good, I am happy to read that. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'm just increasingly distressed about what you and others are doing to our beautiful project. User:Dorftrottel 20:39, February 9, 2008
- Don't be. Improving and expanding this great encyclopedia are exactly what we're all here for. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 20:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- No. Some are here to cram it with non-encyclopedic crap. User:Dorftrottel 20:59, February 9, 2008
- As the Five Pillars states, Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia. It also contains elements of specialized encyclopedias and almanacs and as an online, non-paper encyclopedia is far more comprehensive than more narrowly defined ideas of what encyclopedias are. What you mean to say is that "some are here to in good faith expand Wikipedia's collection of the sum of human knowledge." What we need is just greater effort to provide references and greater effort to expanded articles beyond the so called in-universe summaries. All of that though is fixable through good work and colloboration. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 21:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- "What you mean to say" — good thing you know that better than I do. But no. No. I meant it like I said it. First and foremost, Wikipedia still is an encyclopedic project, and some of the crap I've seen you defend in AfDs, without providing any positive arguments based in policy and guidelines, is simply not even potentially encyclopedic. And not all of that is fixable. And, even more importantly, and as I have asked in several AfDs: What speaks against deleting some of the worst Wookieepedia rip-off "articles" for the time being? If at all possible (which I personally doubt in some cases) they can be recreated at any later point, as proper encyclopedic articles based on reliable, third-party sources - which btw are not some fancy luxury, but indeed the basis for the whole of Wikipedia. User:Dorftrottel 21:27, February 9, 2008
- Wikipedia is more than an encyclopedia project, as stated in the first of the Five Pillars, and fortunately good faith editors tend to support many of my arguments or at least disagree in a respectful manner. As a teacher, I whole-heartedly agree that sources are important and I encourage you and others to help us provide these sources. Insulting editors and using negative terms like "crap" for material that obviously a good number of our contributors believe to be worthwhile does not help the project. If the articles exist then it is much easier for someone to come along and source them than to wait and try to recreate the article from scratch, especially to face opposition under the "hey, that article was deleted" argument. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 21:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- "What you mean to say" — good thing you know that better than I do. But no. No. I meant it like I said it. First and foremost, Wikipedia still is an encyclopedic project, and some of the crap I've seen you defend in AfDs, without providing any positive arguments based in policy and guidelines, is simply not even potentially encyclopedic. And not all of that is fixable. And, even more importantly, and as I have asked in several AfDs: What speaks against deleting some of the worst Wookieepedia rip-off "articles" for the time being? If at all possible (which I personally doubt in some cases) they can be recreated at any later point, as proper encyclopedic articles based on reliable, third-party sources - which btw are not some fancy luxury, but indeed the basis for the whole of Wikipedia. User:Dorftrottel 21:27, February 9, 2008
- As the Five Pillars states, Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia. It also contains elements of specialized encyclopedias and almanacs and as an online, non-paper encyclopedia is far more comprehensive than more narrowly defined ideas of what encyclopedias are. What you mean to say is that "some are here to in good faith expand Wikipedia's collection of the sum of human knowledge." What we need is just greater effort to provide references and greater effort to expanded articles beyond the so called in-universe summaries. All of that though is fixable through good work and colloboration. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 21:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- No. Some are here to cram it with non-encyclopedic crap. User:Dorftrottel 20:59, February 9, 2008
- Don't be. Improving and expanding this great encyclopedia are exactly what we're all here for. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 20:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'm just increasingly distressed about what you and others are doing to our beautiful project. User:Dorftrottel 20:39, February 9, 2008
I just read your userpage, to return the favor of you apparently reading mine (one of the diffs above was not a talk page comment, but an edit to my userpage). I have to say... we have exactly two things in common: German ancestry, and watching House. That's about it. Since we come from so enormously different angles, maybe it's just no use arguing with each other. I have my set of beliefs, assumptions and knowledge, you have yours. It seems we are simply incompatible, at least as far as http as an interface is concerned. (I'm tempted to add that I lack legacy support, but that's just my own twisted sense of humor.) I'm absolutely sure that you will add something after this comment, and I'm also sure it won't be actually conciliatory, in my own opinion. User:Dorftrottel 21:49, February 9, 2008
- House is a good show, although I could not imagine a real doctor actually acting like he does and getting away with it, no matter how talented he is. It is too bad that we had the shortened season due to the writer's strike. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 21:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, a real doctor wouldn't get away with the precise things House does, but I've seen doctors who manage to adjust enough to fit in with the system getting away with worse (it all depends on whom you kick at; always kick down and you'll be fine). As to it's not realistic: It isn't, but that's what fiction is for, isn't it? And besides, Hugh Laurie is hot as House. And I say that as a more or less heterosexual guy. Damn hot. User:Dorftrottel 09:47, February 10, 2008
- He was reasonably funny when he hosted Saturday Night Live. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, a real doctor wouldn't get away with the precise things House does, but I've seen doctors who manage to adjust enough to fit in with the system getting away with worse (it all depends on whom you kick at; always kick down and you'll be fine). As to it's not realistic: It isn't, but that's what fiction is for, isn't it? And besides, Hugh Laurie is hot as House. And I say that as a more or less heterosexual guy. Damn hot. User:Dorftrottel 09:47, February 10, 2008
Cod 4
Im sorry, i wasnt paying attention and hit vandal revert insted of normal rollback(twinkle rollback). Also you stated he devolped the game. Which makes entirly no sense since Infinity Ward devolped the game. If theres something im missing tell me. BonesBrigade 00:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- According to the article in PlayStation The Official Magazine, Richard Baker is "the Lead Software Engineer at Infinity Ward" and in the first question in the interview is asked about "the development of Call of Duty 4."[1] I'll clarify this information on the article now. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Dude that just means he is the lead software engineer. There are many leads while making the game. Krigler is the games art lead for instince. BonesBrigade 01:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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- If you believe it could be reworded better than by all means, please do so, I just find it useful to have some material on the game's development, because in this instance we have a reliable, secondary source publication we can use as a reference. In the article, Baker talks about how it "was nice to not have to worry about space with Blu-ray" on the Playstation 3 version of the game.[2] Regards, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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- I would suggest you just make a devolpment section in the article. Right know it is quite out of place. BonesBrigade 03:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Okay, will do. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 04:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
If it belongs anywhere, you should tuck it into the Game Engine section. All on its own in a tiny undeveloped "Development" section, it just comes off as rampant fanboyism. xenocidic (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- An out of universe published reliable secondary source is exactly what these sort of articles need as others criticize our game articles for in-universe plot summaries and "game guide" content, whereas the development of the game as covered in reliable sources would counter such criticism. Removing a reliable published source does not make much sense and it is actually insulting to use phrases like "rampant fanboyism," especially because I do not even own nor plan to own this game. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- I simply don't see what the quote adds to the article. It "comes off" as someone trying to bash the Xbox 360. My apologies if that was not your intent. xenocidic (talk) 01:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- It is not so much the quote that matters to me; it is that it comes from a published source and there has been a bit of an uproar on Wikipedia lately about the need for more reliable published sources in articles, i.e. not just web links. Moreover, as the quotations come from one of the main men at Infinity Ward, they provide some context on the game's development and help to balance the article among the plot elements and non-plot elements. If nothing else, the source and be proof that Infinity Ward developed the game and should anyone at any time attempt to nominate the article for deletion, editors will be able to show that the game's development was covered in such published, third-party sources as the reference I added. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Again, my sincere apologies for not assuming good faith. I now understand your intentions. Keep up the good work. xenocidic (talk) 01:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's all good. Have a nice night! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 02:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Please enjoy this Jack-o-lantern, on me =)
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xenocidic (talk) 12:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks and happy editing! :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Please enjoy this Jack-o-lantern, on me =)
- It's all good. Have a nice night! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 02:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Again, my sincere apologies for not assuming good faith. I now understand your intentions. Keep up the good work. xenocidic (talk) 01:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- It is not so much the quote that matters to me; it is that it comes from a published source and there has been a bit of an uproar on Wikipedia lately about the need for more reliable published sources in articles, i.e. not just web links. Moreover, as the quotations come from one of the main men at Infinity Ward, they provide some context on the game's development and help to balance the article among the plot elements and non-plot elements. If nothing else, the source and be proof that Infinity Ward developed the game and should anyone at any time attempt to nominate the article for deletion, editors will be able to show that the game's development was covered in such published, third-party sources as the reference I added. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- I simply don't see what the quote adds to the article. It "comes off" as someone trying to bash the Xbox 360. My apologies if that was not your intent. xenocidic (talk) 01:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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Chin up. 'nuff said cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC) |
- Thanks! :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Portal_talk:Textile_Arts#Textile_Arts_in_fiction
Hi this request might be right up your alley. We're doing a featured portal drive for the textile arts project and are looking for 10 articles that are B-class or better to fit into this group. Found 8 so far. Could you add entries and/or summaries to help this out? Cheers, DurovaCharge! 01:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll check it out. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 03:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. DurovaCharge! 04:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 04:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. DurovaCharge! 04:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks
But I already have an account I'm just not logged in. But your message reminded me to do so so thank you! 90.201.227.109 (talk) 23:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome and happy editing! :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Yep, same with me (above). --haha169 (talk) 06:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Confirmation. --24.6.103.162 (talk) 06:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Okay, well, I hope everything is going well! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 06:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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You must love to welcome new users if you accidentally welcomed 2 existing users! Keep up the great work! :)--haha169 (talk) 00:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Hi! I guess I just like being nice and doing nice things and making people feel good who contribute here. Hopefully, doing so will encouage others to be friendly, too. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Happy Valentine's Day!
A short/sweet little message, which I hope has made your day better! Happy Valentine's Day!!! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks and happy Valentine's Day to you and yours as well! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 02:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Happy Valentine's, and please take a quick look--
Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I have added footnotes and citations to the Robin Graham page and would appreciate a once-over; having read through much of the extensive material to support and explain footnotes and citation styles I hope it's consistent.
Enjoy your Valentine's day - and your valentine, if you've found her yet-- *grin* LynnMaudlin (talk) 02:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Dear Lynn, I looked over the article. Definitely a good start, but with regards to the notes, be sure to put article titles in quotation marks and italicize newspaper names, i.e. "Postscript: Parents Won't Give Up on Girl Who Disappeared 6 Years Ago", Los Angeles Times. Best, and Happy Valentine's Day to you, too! And no, I do not have one yet... Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 02:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks-- I've added quotation marks and italics; I'm not sure those were mentioned in the Wikipedia pages on citation format - or perhaps they're such a given that only a true fool doesn't know--! best, LynnMaudlin (talk) 03:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
- Well done! :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 06:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Monobook Suite
(Sorry, I'm still learning English) I just wanted to know where I can install Monobook Suite (If it exists) in this Wikipedia. Good bye. --Greek2 (talk) 21:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Hello! I am not familiar with Monobook Suite; I do not know what that is. Sorry. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 22:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- I saw this and answered it on Greek's talk page. DGG (talk) 06:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
- Cool, thanks! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 06:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
- I saw this and answered it on Greek's talk page. DGG (talk) 06:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you for welcoming me to wikipedia. I have a question: What do the numbers refer to after my edits on my 'watch' list. Sometimes they are negative, and sometimes they are positive numbers. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mm03gt (talk • contribs) 21:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome! :) The numbers refer to the amount of characters (letters, spacing, punctuation marks, etc.) added or removed to an article during any given edit. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 21:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
arb evidence
I'm really bewildered on how you make any connection whatsoever with my RfC and a dispute regarding TTN. It honestly seems like you are doing nothing but trying to find any dirt you can on anyone speaking up for him. You're even endorsing an indefinite ban on Jack. Is it because you actually think he's a sock puppet of Moby Dick, or is it because you are willing to accept anything that will get him blocked? TTN was stubborn, but what you are doing is just needlessly mean. I don't care if you link to my RfC or not, there's not a single proposal in this case that will effect me (remember, I'm supporting the idea that TTN shouldn't force the issue), but I have to ask.. what the hell man? Just remember, we all still have to work together when this is over. -- Ned Scott 03:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I don't think you are doing this intentionally.. and that came out harsher than I meant it. I'm also a bit frustrated with this situation, as no doubt you are as well. -- Ned Scott 04:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Dear Ned, thank you for the subsequent toned down note above; I appreciate the effort to cool things down. Anyway, if you are referring to my linking to the RfC in my Chronology of evidence, that is just because you and White Cat participated considerably in the case and it so it seemed possibly relevant to the larger discussion. The chronology is provided just to demonstrate that the involved parties and participants of the case have been arguing with each other for months now. My main concern evidence wise in which I hope to make any kind of argument involves the section on "Other disturbing edits," i.e. where I see what is almost fanaticism by some editors and extreme hostility as well. A minority of editors brought up in that ArbCom case seem to have repeated incivil posts and edit history that are almost entirely focused on just removing material from Wikipedia. I do not find unfriendly and unconstructive edits helpful to the project and if that is all certain editors are willing to do here, then I have a hard time supporting their continued participation on the project as we'll just keep ending up with contentious AfDs, ANI threads, ArbComs, etc. I'm hoping that if the most controversial of such editors are stopped, we'll be able to move ahead in a more colloborative manner. Consider for example that Resident Evil AfD today in which after requests to find sources and improve the article, I did so, and yet a couple editors not only ignored my efforts, but tossed out allegations, etc. It is immensely frustrating when sources can be easily found and editors claim they can't be and then when they are found, instead of acknowledging the improvement would rather "win the argument" by going after the source finder rather than the article itself. It just baffles me that such intensity is not at least occasionally used to help improve articles. As I indicated in that discussion, I respected you for saying something nice about my effort and for being open-minded enough to change your "vote." I don't see such openmindness and politeness by TNN and a couple of his staunchest supporters. And it gets old to see one of a handful nominate an article for deletion and the same colleagues immediately "voting" delete within minutes of the nomination and doing nothing to at least make a token effort to improve the article, but rather dismiss anyone who does make a good faith effort to save the article. It becomes increasingly discouraging to even want to improve articles if a few editors will never acknowledge such efforts and will instead devote their time to arguing with you. I have a large number of books and articles and every time I spend a minute adding sources here is time not spent working on my dissertation, reading over lecture notes, or even just relaxing. Editing is one thing and I do NOT believe everything should be kept, but only attempting to remove other people's work and then arguing with them just does not seem to go well on a colloborative project. I see such habits from a handful of editors who keep getting brought to ANI or ArbCom and I think we would be able to work more constructively if they were not acting as they do. Again, I look at your behavior in the Resident Evil weapons AfD with much admiration and wish that TTN and others would learn from that example. If you check Jerry's talk page, you'll see that he and I disagreed in an AfD, but communicated respectfully and have no bad feelings, in part because I acknowledge that he does not only want to delete stuff and I think he sees that I don't only want to keep stuff (I participated in two or three AfDs only today, one was I wanted to keep, the other delete, which should be pretty balanced). In any event, I am always open-minded to the possibility of editors improving their behavior and contributing more constructively and if the case concludes with no one blocked, banned, or restricted, then I would be happy to participate in any efforts to mend fences. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 04:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Okay, have a nice night! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 04:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
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