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Battle of Lawrence → Lawrence Massacre — Another alternative is "Quantrill's raid", though that seems to also refer to the larger campaign. "Battle of Lawrence" appears to be the least-used term for this event, both in sourced literature [1][2][3] and and on a Google search. (BoL = 39, LM = 882, QR = 1190). There've been several complaints from editors that it was not a real "battle".[4][5] Will Beback · † · 19:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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Lawrence Massacre For the reasons given above. -Will Beback · † · 19:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Lawrence Massacre ... the Battle title doesn't bother me, but LM is a bit more descriptive ... I also like the infobox, so keep it but tweak it ... QR would be more descriptive of the campaign, JIMO .. they also swept through KCK in Turner (but some of the ppl there defended themselves) ... J. D. Redding
Lawrence Massacre Whatever actual battle may have occurred ended when Quantrill's 450 men entered Lawrence and encountered no resistance. Everything of historical significance regarding the raid (i.e. the robbing of the bank, the execution of every adult male the raiders encountered, the looting of stores, the burning of 200 buildings) occurred outside the scope of an actual battle. I did a quick check of about a half dozen general histories and could not find any references to "Battle of Lawrence". Thomas Goodrich, who has written several works on the Kansas issues before and during the war titled his book on the subject "Bloody Dawn: The Story of the Lawrence Massacre". Tom (North Shoreman) 23:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Lawrence Massacre per all above. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Quantrill's raid I don't feel strongly either way but in Lawrence I almost always hear it referred to as QR. I've also seen it referenced as such in the media/references more than LM and never as the Battle of Lawrence. NapalmSunday 03:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

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Is there an article on Quantrill's Raid as a whole? Wrad 20:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

There are redirects Quantrill's raid and Quantrill's raid on Lawrence ... could be turned into a full article. AND I think the diff of QR, BoL, and LM is descriptive somewhat historically of where the author sided back in the day over the conflict. May still be ... J. D. Redding 22:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC) (ps., BoL may be more NPOV ... but not really sure about it ...)

There's already a Category:Battles of Quantrill's Raid into Kansas of the American Civil War waiting to be filled. Quantrill's Raiders doesn't have much either. -Will Beback · † · 23:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if there were full out "batttles" (eg., something which happens between two armies leading to the moral then physical disintegration of one or the other of them ...). But I believe there were several confrontations when they went toward Lawarence. Maybe the cat could be changed to something else like ... Category:Incidents in Quantrill's Raid ... or Category:Attacks in Quantrill's Raid ... or something ... J. D. Redding 23:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

site:www.kancoll.org William G. Cutler lawrence Quantrill ... Cutler also spells it Quantrell ... just a note ... J. D. Redding 23:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Cutler's THE LAWRENCE MASSACRE. J. D. Redding 23:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC) (ps., he doesn't mention the Turner incident ... but it's in Betty S. Gibson, "Pride of the Golden Bear". Kendall Hunt Pub Co., June 1981. ISBN 0-8403-2397-2; He does mention "Shawneetown" which was located in the Turner area when the the Shawnee prophet had a village there (but that was east of where the center of turner today) ... )

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This article has been renamed from Battle of Lawrence to Lawrence Massacre as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 19:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)