User talk:Laualoha

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Aloha! I am starting this page new, with some rules. If you want to see all the discussion up until this point, you can view it here (Jere I highly recommend reading the end of that discussion if you havenʻt already, since you were in it. I will delete what Iʻm writing right now eventually). This discussion has been very interesting, and I thank everyone who participated in it. However, I would like to begin anew with a new style, which I expect to be followed here.

[edit] Protocol For This Page

1. ALOHA at ALL TIMES

(not to be confused with "Aloha for All", an organization which this user disagrees strongly).

2. This space is my kuleana. Please respect it. I will have to delete anything that is not appropriate or respectful.

3. However, this is a Free Thought Zone. You may express whatever you want, as long as it is respectful, with Aloha, and follows the guidelines below.

4. Do not break up others' manaʻo with your responses. Please respond at the end of their text.

5. Keep it decently short. If possible, try to make one point at a time. Or at least do not let loose a barrage of ukupaila arguments that anyone (especially me) may feel obligated to respond to. I am not a fast typist, and I want to be sympathetic to others who are squeezing this work into their crazy busy lives.

6. Don't be afraid to ask honest questions. No one should feel stupid for asking something they donʻt know, even if you don't think it's "politically correct" to ask.

7. Have fun. If youʻre not, get off the damn computer, go take care of yourself or jump in the ocean or something. Your health and happiness are important to me, and should be to you, too.

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[edit] JTM and the Morgan Report

Arjuna:Aloha, Laualoha, and thanks for your comments on my talk page. Just a heads up that if you're not already tracking it, I made some edits to the Morgan Report page, and could use your help in monitoring (JK, I know you will, so I need not even ask! -- hope you agree they are good faith edits, and meticulously cited). In any case, I am happy to send scanned PDFs of all those references to the both of you as we move forward in making the articles more NPOV. But first, L, you have to email me so I know how to contact you (go to my talk page and there will be an options somewhere that says "Email this user"; a desire for anonymity on both sides will be respected). I look forward to hearing from you (and from JK). Cheers, Arjuna 07:30, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Laualoha:Mahalo, Arjuna...so far so good. I really appreciate your efforts to find some ground closer to the center. As for the email, I've tried, but I just can't seem to get it. Any ideas? Aloha,--Laualoha 18:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Arjuna:Aloha, Laualoha. Long time no see. I noticed your recent edits to the Morgan Report article, which I support, but there are a couple of unsupported statements that should have some citation in order to prevent challenges to the material. You probably already know this, so apologies if I'm telling you what you already know. Specifically, the sentences that Cleveland was "under pressure" and that "arguably coerced", etc. I don't doubt that these are accurate, just that they are certain to be challenged by certain other editors (regarding which, btw, if you haven't noticed, JK or his clone is back under another name (sockpuppeting?) and stirring things up again on some of the other articles -- we could use your help there as well.) Anyhow, I'd be happy to help, and again, I support your changes, just trying to help make sure they are supported so that they stick. Cheers, Arjuna (talk) 20:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Aloha for All: Anti-native?

Jere:E kala mai, Laualoha, this is your page, you can say whatever you want, but your characterization of Aloha for All as an "anti-native" group is hurtful. The mission of Aloha for All is to fight for the civil rights of all people in Hawaii, regardless of race, and to remove racial restrictions from existing government programs so that all people can benefit from them regardless of their genetic background. You may feel that they are misguided in their application of the idea of equality for some reason (arguably good and noble reasons), but I assure you, the intent of the organization is a positive one. --JereKrischel 17:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Laualoha: Sorry it hurts. I really am, you know; it is not my intention to cause pain to anyone when they are working for what they truly believe is right. And I believe that you are sincere that the intent is a positive one. However, the actions of the organization, like the "Grassroots Institute" and its counterparts, are very clearly anti-native. It is as though they do not want there to be such a thing as native in the world, just because they don't qualify for this particular definition. And you gotta admit that there's some serious irony when a bunch of extremely wealthy, mostly white settlers with huge political power start screaming that the population with the single lowest economic, health, education, and freedom (as in, not currently incarcerated) rates are oppressing them.--Laualoha 22:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Jere: Aloha e, but I am not extremely wealthy, nor am I a white settler, nor do I have huge political power - those people are OHA :). Perhaps if you had suggestions on how GRIH and Aloha for All could be pro-native, without giving up their cause to eliminate race-based discrimination, we could all get along. Is there any way to be pro-native without discriminating on the basis of race? Would a hula program open to all races be pro-native? Or a olelo Hawaii program open to all races be pro-native? Could I do anything pro-native without first looking at the genetic background of a participant in the program? If you can offer suggestions on how the two can be reconciled, I promise I will work on those issues in my own civil rights activism, and perhaps we both can build GRIH and Aloha for All into organizations of pride for everyone. --JereKrischel 02:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Laualoha: Jere, you may not be rich, white and powerful, but the most vocal people in AFA/GRIH are...

I have moved the rest of this discussion to the following page:/Aloha For All Discussion -- ctd.. Please note that it is important to me to keep reply postings generally short in length, for the benefit of anyone who chooses to try to read the page. Mahalo!--Laualoha 22:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Aloha/Bonjour Laualoha, Did you mean to create /caption_note? I moved it to Native Hawaiian Reorganization Act (and deleted some speedy tags) but I am not sure whether you meant it as an article and just need to work on it, or if it might have been something for user space. Anyway, let me know and if it is a mistake I guess you could request deletion yourself with {{db-author}}--Slp1 23:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

That should be fine; mahalo. --Laualoha 19:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Compromise

Thank you for your detailed comments on the Talk:Legal status of Hawaii page. I've changed "peace keepers" to troops, hopefully that is sufficient - and I've replied to most of the other notes. Some of them are moot, since we removed the photographic evidence section, but others probably require more discussion. We can break those out as need be.

Can you look over my recent changes, and see if there is anything particularly objectionable about how I partitioned the history section? I think once we get a firm grip on the structure, we'll have an easier time working out specific sections.

Mahalo! --JereKrischel 20:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legal status of Hawaii

Hi Laualoha. I left some comments at the talk page there. I think your efforts to bring NPOV to the page are admirable. It's an uphill battle for people who missed the "sovereignty train" that pulled out of Western stations without regard to which locals managed to jump on board. I face very similar problems at most of the articles related to Palestinians. I hope the comments I left are helpful. It's not my area of expertise (though I once did write a paper on U.S. expansionism and its infiltrations of Hawaii and the Philippines in high school). I will pop in from time to time to see how things are progressing, but do let me know if you need anything else. Tiamut 11:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Aloha Laualoha. I'm happy that the citations may be useful to you. If you ever need anything else, let me know. Mahalo or as we Palestinians sometimes say, Salamaat. Tiamut 16:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, wow. The talk page for this article is intense. It kind of overwhelmed me. What kind of help are you looking for? I've been fairly busy, but can try to help in small ways. Aloha! Murderbike 08:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Water under the bridge

Aloha, Laualoha, no worries on the sock puppet thing. I know sometimes it's hard to tell when something fishy seems like it's going on. You can delete the section if you like, or leave it up, I'm just glad that we've maintained and further established our common trust.

BTW, I'm in town for the next few days, and if you'd like to get together sometime, jam, talk story, and maybe hash out a few compromises in person, please feel free to email me at jere@krischel.org. I'm leaving friday, but will be around wednesday and thursday. Mahalo! --JereKrischel 23:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Aloha, Laualoha, saw some of your recent edits on Republic of Hawaii, and I think we'll need to work on that together too - I haven't reverted anything, but I've got significant issues with a bunch of those edits. I'll hold off until we can arrange some time together directly. Mahalo! --JereKrischel 19:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, mahalo.--Laualoha 20:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tandem editing

Jere: Howzit, I think I have some time tonight if you wanted to try give me a call. Ring me when you're free, and we'll see how much we can get through. Aloha! --JereKrischel 00:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Laualoha: Sorry, this weekend's kinda out. My son was in a bad skateboard accident Thursday, and that's taking up all the time not swallowed by music & baby lu'au (I have kuleana at 2 of them!) work. But I really do want to get through this stuff -- mahalo for asking. A weekday evening (or mid-afternoon -- I want to be respectful of your advanced timezone) would be best for me. I have some work stuff & meetings scattered around, but I'm sure we could find something. Let's limit it to one hour (for all our families' sake); if there's still stuff left that we're making progress on but not thru the impasse with, we can try again or decide what to do. How does that sound? We should put it out there to others who have been in this struggle too, in case anyone wants to participate. The goal is to negotiate some language we can live with, to end the reversion war we were in, and prevent another one. Right? We should keep in mind that nobody but us is bound by any agreement we make, and that this might not be "final" even for us, if something new comes up. However, I think we can go a long way toward peace, which we all need right now. Yeah? Aloha, --Laualoha 18:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC) p.s. the main pages in question are Legal status of Hawaii and Republic of Hawai'i, right? If we get through all the stuff on these (small miracle, but not impossible), we can work on the sticking points in some of the others...

[edit] Mahalo for your note!

Thank you for your sweet note, Laualoha! Appreciate the support as a GLBT person, and of course a Kane'ohe neighbor! (Altho for the next few months I'm stuck on the mainland!) Looks like you've been "doing battle" as well with the one and only JereKrischel... exhausting, isn't it? (No offense meant, Jere!) I'd be interested in your experience you mentioned in standing up for GLBT youth... you can also always email me direct at aloha.first@gmail.com. Mahalo nui loa! --Kai

--Kaihoku 17:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, what a sad story! I'll bet you could have challenged the firing, if you had wanted to. The important thing, in the long run, is that you did the RIGHT thing! You absolutely did. And the kids you helped will be forever grateful and changed for good. So THANK YOU -- MAHALO NUI LOA for that!!!

And... Can you believe that Mike Gabbard now thinks he's a Democrat! Someday that guy is going to have to answer to his higher power for all the pain he has caused GLBT people and others. Aloha to you, Laualoha!

Kaihoku 17:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the barnstar

I wrote to you on my talk page but thought I would copy the comments here anyway.

Thanks Laualoha. I am glad that you found my intervention there helpful and hope to be back soon. Tiamut 10:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I think it's wonderful that you two are going to meet in person as you indicated on the talk page. Both of you seem to be great people who hold passionate views on this issue but you both have shown the ability to engage in reasonable discussion despite your differences. It's very heartening. Mahalo! Tiamut 10:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm learning to take some of my own advice. ;) Tiamut 01:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Laualoha, many thanks for the nice words and the Barnstar (my first is always the best!). Anyhow, just doin' my job -- callin' 'em as I see 'em! I've been out a few days with a heavy workload, but trying to catch back up. Mahalo again and aloha, Arjuna 08:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to WikiProject LGBT studies!

Hi, Laualoha, welcome to WikiProject LGBT Studies! Message moved here for space purposes. Eo LGBT Braddahs and Sistas!

-- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Iorana Rapa Nui

Hi welcome to the ongoing muddle that is the Easter Island/Rapa Nui page. As the island has just gained extra autonomy within Chile, whilst retaining Chilean voting rights, I'm not sure that either governed or controlled now make sense. As I see it the relationship between Rapa Nui and Chile is now more analogous to that between Hawaii and the USA, what do you think of something like Rapa Nui is a self governing special territory of Chile?Jonathan Cardy 12:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I do not know enough to say whether this is appropriate or not. However, if it is like Hawai'i, "controlled" probably would apply, since it is certainly not self-governed. "Self-governing" would be an inappropriate term if the Rapanui people are not able to exercise true self-determination; it is my understanding that they do not even now have this level of independence. However, I think anything is better for the time being than to call Rapa Nui a "Chilean Island". Aloha, --Laualoha 20:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Aqqaluk Lynge

A tag has been placed on Aqqaluk Lynge requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Isarig 21:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Comment

Aloha! I'm really beat right now from working all day, but I posted a link to the RfC at both the Indigenous Peoples wikiproject and the Systemic Bias one. I'll try to take a good look at the RfC myself tomorrow. Cheers! Murderbike 05:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Ouch! L, I'm sorry if you were offended, but I hope you will re-read what LarryQ wrote and see if you might have mis-interpreted what he said. I do find myself betwixt and between here. On the one hand, I could not agree more that what took place in 1893 was completely illegal, sleazy, and wrong in just about every way I can think of. On the other hand, the system of international law that now exists (well, kinda, in theory -- an ineffective U.N./ICJ system that allows itself to be run roughshod over by G.W. Bush notwithstanding) wasn't around then, so for lack of a better way to put it, it was legal to steal stuff back then... (Arjuna's comment continues here, along with my response. Sorry, I'm kinda doing this to all long comments on this page; I don't want to repress anyone's mana'o (including my own), but page flow is important to me...)

Arjuna, I was not offended by what you said (although I disagree with many of the points in your last comment; I'll address them in the linked page); I was offended at Larry's comparison of those working internationally against the U.S. occupation of Hawai'i to "flat earth" theorists and "the-Holocaust-didn't happen" people. If Larry is not calling the argument for U.S. illegality (which, I might add, contains so many variations that to argue against the whole thing is a little fringe in my own opinion)"fringe", why even make this comparison? Aloha, --Laualoha 20:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for note Arjuna808. I appreciate your efforts. I agree with, "what we are saying (I think -- not trying to speak for LQ) is simply that the perspective you represent should absolutely be presented, but in accordance with Wikipedia policies, i.e. within the context of the international and domestic majority view. I promise you that I will advocate that your view is represented fairly." I think the question actually is whether Wikipedia's rules should be altered to reflect views which have been disenfranchised by history and a biased international legal system. As the rules are now, I think I am correct. However, maybe it is time to move towards a reconsideration of these rules? LarryQ 16:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually I don't see why any change in policy is needed for this particular situation (although I think some overall changes are needed in order to better counter bias). This article is ABOUT an argument. When one writes about an argument, both sides should be presented equally, with a fair, contextualizing description. This is what I am trying to do, but I don't seem to be able to get to it because I keep running into these diversions about "undue weight". Aloha, --Laualoha 20:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

For space purposes, the rest of this lengthy discussion has been moved here. Mahalo!

Greetings. I'm not sure if I ever thanked you for your feedback and responsiveness, so: thanks! If you feel there are any unresolved issues between us, I'd like to clear them up when you get a chance. Good luck with everything. HG | Talk 21:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Follow-up

Aloha Laualoha. Keif Halic? (That's Arabic, for "what's your situation?" or less literally, "how are you?") Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I'm going to move my comments out of the involved parties section to the section below. This was suggested to me by HG who pointed out that as mediators, we should try to make clear our distance from involvement in the actual dispute - as in, we're not invested parties, even if we obviously do approach this subject with our own biases we build out of our life experiences. Again, I'm totally sympatheitic to the frustration you are feeling right now. I encounter it so often myself at the pages related to my own people. (You should check out the RfC at Talk:Palestinian people to get a sense of what I'm talking about or anything else on that page for that matter.) In any case, I just wanted to let you know I appreciate where you're coming from and what it means to feel righteous rage. In getting your points across for the editing of the article though, it's best to try to put it aside as often as possible (and as painful as that may feel). And I know you're not alone in this, it's a dynamic that gets created in the discussions between you Jere which stray a little too close to home - as per the nature of the subject. But let's focus on the article, finding reliable sources and getting them represented in the article. Let's start making a list of sources and issues that need to be included that are not currently there or are there but not sourced. We can get through this and have a really great article representing all the nuances and complexities and different viewpoints on the issue that the reader can really get a full picture of what it under discussion from. Cool? Tiamut 22:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I hear you. I'll try a little harder with the aloha thing, since I'm supposed to be good at it. Mahalo again. Aloha, --Laualoha 00:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ka Hsaw Wa

Aloha! I'm really happy that the new Category I created for Burmese democracy activists is starting to fill up. It was great to discover the new article you created on Ka Hsaw Wa, about whom I knew nothing before reading it. Please take a look, I made a whole bunch of "tweaks", as well as creating section-headings and moving a couple of passages. Seeing as you're the sole author, I should also mention that there were a couple of sentences in the paragraph re the Unocal lawsuit that need your attention. Mahalo, wonderful to make your acquaintance! Aloha from the Sierra foothills in CA, Cgingold 23:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Section linking

Linking to a section within a page is aomplished by using # between the page name and section name. It works within or across pages. So Hawaii#Etymology, as an example. Rmhermen 15:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smile

[edit] TTS and vanity publication

Aloha Laualoha. First of all, thanks for your email and pardon my slow reply -- promise to do so now that I've got some other things out of the way. Hey, I need your help on something. The discussion between JK and myself on Talk:Republic of Hawaii has ramped up and reached an impasse re: whether or not TTS's book is a vanity publication (and thus not a reliable source under Wikipedia guidelines). The discussion isn't too long (although now we're starting to repeat ourselves) so shouldn't take long to peruse. Care to weigh in? Mahalo, Arjuna 09:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edits

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[edit] Temporarily ON PAUSE

Notice: I'm up against a deadline right now, and so may be out of it for a few more days. I'll try to check email if somebody needs to reach me. Aloha, --Laualoha 19:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC) OK, it was more than a few days. I'm on the road, writing from a stopover @ Las Vegas Airport. But I'm still here!--Laualoha 07:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue X - October 1, 2007 The LGBT studies project has been rather quiet of late. Though we've added over 180 new members in the last year, only a small percentage are active participants. If you haven't visited our project or talk page in a while, please stop by for a look. Also, if you happen to bump into another editor who you feel might enjoy working with us, please extend an invitation. There's lot's do do, and the active members would sincerely appreciate some help. Welcome to the 11 new members that joined us in September: Bu852, JuniorMuruin, Laualoha, JereKrischel, Dybryd, Sexperts, Ctjf83, Allstarecho, Johnandbob, Carlossuarez46, and Carterdriggs! LGBT Project Peer review Our Peer review project is struggling at the present, with only a few people reviewing the articles. While it is certainly possible to submit articles for a general peer review, a review by members of the LGBT community can be of additional value for LGBT specific writing. There are several articles currently up for review on a wide range of topics. At the very least, reading the articles will undoubtedly broaden your intellectual horizons :-) Deletion discussions At the moment, David Le Brocq, Malmö Devilants and Trajectory Hermeneutics are up for deletion review. Please take a look at them and make your voice heard at the deletion review. Articles nominated for deletion also present a challenge for improvement. See what you can do, and watchlist our deletion review page. FA & GA article news Since our last newsletter, Fun Home and GayFest have been promoted to Good Article status. Congratulations to all editors who have worked so hard to improve them! 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Well meaning editors continue to remove our tags from the articles themselves as well as the talk pages. If you have time, please read the articles and watchlist them to protect them from vandalism and well meaning but counterproductive edits. List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people The list of LGBT people has survived its 4th nomination for deletion. Please watchlist this list to protect it from vandalism and unsourced additions. There are many in Wikipedia who would like to see this Featured status list removed from the project. It is up to us to keep it to such a high caliber that it never is removed. David Shankbone Our project member David Shankbone is now working as a journalist for Wikinews, as well as continuing to improve our project and Wikipedia as a whole with his photographs. A sincere thank you goes out to him for all of his hard work. Wikipedia would not shine nearly as brightly without your contributions, David. Barbara Gittings Happy Halloween, everybody! 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[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XI - November 1, 2007 Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time — get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!! [edit] Alice and her harasser Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes <bright smiles all around>. [edit] Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days. [edit] "My Fellow Americans" On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project. [edit] Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand? [edit] Beat writer arouses Irish guy And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all. [edit] Love those Texas Longhorns Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....). [edit] Point and Counterpoint Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now. [edit] Drudgery on offer Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did. [edit] "My Fellow Americans" redux The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational. [edit] This month's Wiki stars Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!! [edit] And the Oscar goes to... Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle. [edit] Fresh faces to brighten our pages Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy. [edit] Leather and lace On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome! [edit] Late breaking news A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!). [edit] Champagne dreams and caviar kisses Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon. Kisses, Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

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The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XII - December 1, 2007 Here comes Santa Claus, Here comes Santa Claus, right down Santa Claus lane! Ho, ho ho (but not that kind of ho!) and Merry Christmas, everybody! Yes, that's right. It's time for the Christmas edition of the LGBT Love Boat newsletter. This homo Love Boat is cruising into Christmas and counting down the days to a brand new year! It doesn't matter if you're Christian or belong to some other, more obscure sect. Jesus loves you one and all, so let's curl up around the fire, sing some carols, drink some egg nog, and have a gay old time. But before we do, perhaps your chipper cruise director Miss Julie should spread the gender bendin' news from everyone's favorite project.... Table of Contents Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! It's Britney, Bitch! Game show for nerds Jón Þór Birgisson Everybody loves a sequel Not quite the second coming, but special just the same Battle of the Wikipedia Stars! Santa needs elves Urgent Christmas appeal Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Ambrosia Christmas came early You! Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! Our dear Haiduc, never a stranger to controversy, recently decided to delve into the wardrobe of the British Monarchy, and what did he discover? King James had more than appreciative eyes for strapping young men! Naturally, Haiduc felt the need to share this news with the community, but instead of being praised for his scholarship, he was reviled. In fact, one rabid heterocentrist even rummaged around in his own wardrobe until he found an old pair of socks to play with. All seemed lost until astute editor Jeffpw noticed some odd postings and did some sleuthing of his own. The socks were uncovered, the Wicked Witch was melted and readers the world over were able to learn that Good King James regularly ordered tube steak from the menu of the day. Thank you, Haiduc! Thank you, Jeff! And let Miss Julie add (for readers who might not know) that tube steak tastes just like chicken! It's Britney, Bitch! Well, maybe it's not Miss Thang, herself, but it's the next best thing: Chris Crocker! he stirs up just about as much controversy as his idol does, even here on Wikipedia. Though it's all a bit of a muddle, one of our editors hopes you can drop by the talk page and leave a message of hope for those battling the forces of obstructionism in that little corner of the Wiki World. It is so hard to spread enlightenment. As Miss Parker herself said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think". Game show for nerds Wallowing in cash from the latest beg-a-thon, the powers-that-be have decided to sponser a little contest here to improve the articles, with a Grand prize of $100. Yeah. Just enough for a Burger King dinner for the family. Still, the thought is nice and the goal is noble, so we should support it. Our little Queer beehive has taken a look at what's on offer, and both the Greek Traditionalists and Daughters of Bilitis are well represented. The ever useful SatyrTN has made a little list, which can be found here (if that malignant bot hasn't archived it already, that is). So find a pal, roll up your sleeves and dive right in. Let's show this Encyclopedia just what Queers with firecrackers up their....err, I mean, let's show the others what we can do. Jón Þór Birgisson I can't pronounce his name, but he's awfully cute, he's deliciously foreign, and best of all...he's GAY! But he won't be for long, if certain users have their way. A concerted effort has been under way for a while now, designed to neuter poor Jon (pretend I put a little accent thingy over that O) and make him into a sort of rockin' Ken doll. So please watchlist this hunka man, and keep him queer! If anybody questions you, tell them "Miss Julie sent me". TranSanta Everybody loves a sequel Readers not afflicted with Alzheimer's will remember that last month we had a little story about Alice and her harasser. That proved so popular that we bring you the sequel: Benjiboi and his stalker. After a chance meeting at the Michael Lucas article, this anonymous user took a shine to our Benjiboi, and has been showering him with attention on virtually every board on Wikipedia. Flattered though he is, Benjiboi finds the attention a bit distracting, and administrators have been seeking various remedies for this. It has proven difficult, as the stalker has an IP address that changes quicker than Superman in a telephone booth. So perhaps some of you would like to watchlist Benjiboi's page, and lend a hand if you see some love letters from an 11 digit friend. I was actually thinking we should get Alice's harasser and Benjiboi's stalker together. Then we could have another sequel, sort of like Freddy vs. Jason. Any bets as to who would win?? Not quite the second coming, but special just the same Let me be the first to give a warm, wet, Love Boat kiss (though not with tongue) to our newest Project members: Jacksinterweb, Cleduc, Pigman, Becksguy and Iamandrewrice. Even in the month of our Saviour's birth, your popping into our Wikipedian lives is a blessed event indeed. As Jesus Himself said, "Live long and prosper". He did say that, didn't he? I think he said it. In any event, if he was standing next to me now, I'm sure he'd say it, and add, "Happy homo editing!" Battle of the Wikipedia Stars! Indomitable Ann Bannon is holding her own in Wikipedia's answer to American Idol: The Featured Article candidate list! For four feverish weeks, she has mastered the challenges and not been eliminated from the competition. Drop by the FAC page and show Ann you love her....or give her the hook (I'm not supposed to tell you how to vote). Giving our plucky Ann reason to hope is the recent promotion of List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sa-Sc. If Miss Julie has her way, we will have the entire alphabet of Queerdom Featured here on Wikipedia soon! And I would be remiss if I did not give a warm, Lesbian salute to our own Belovedfreak, who showed Wikipedia with But I'm a Cheerleader that even pom poms are no protection from the Love that dare not speak its name, and got a gold star for her efforts. Climbing the Wikipedia career ladder is User: Tim1965, who has not only written, but is now promoting Reel Affirmations to Good article status. Best of luck, Tim, and remember: there are no small parts, only small actors. We're sure you'll be trading that green circle for a gold star soon (assuming you get the green in the first place!). Santa's on his gay way! Santa needs elves Yes, I know: packages need buying, trees need trimming, egg nog needs drinking. The holidays make many demands on our time. It's ...well, it's a bitch, is what it is. So I wouldn't blame you for skipping this little section and putting off my request until next year. But...think of the children. Our future. They need quality information about the homosexual "lifestyle" if we are to indoctrinate them properly. That's why I am asking you to drop by our Peer review area and give your meaning as to the efforts of your fellow gay Wikipedians. And think: in this season of kindness and good will to all, isn't it nice that I am pointing you to someplace where you can (in a Wikiloving way, of course) rip someone a new asshole? Think about it...and those children with their shiny, bright eyes, thanking you for contributing to their future. Even more festively, consider joining in on the deletion discussions of our favorite articles. Here you can bandy about such words as "homophobia", "Right-wing Christian agenda" and my personal favorite, "just who do you think you're pushing around?!?!?". If you play your cards right, there might even be an extra present under the tree for you. :-D Urgent Christmas appeal Tovojolo asked me to ask you to edit Elizabeth Bishop as part of the Collaboration Project. She's an old dead poet (Miss Bishop, not Tovojolo. I've never actually met Tovojolo. She's probably very young and attractive. Maybe somebody should ask if she's single), but she was a flaming homosexual long before most of us had even been conceived, so we owe her some respect. Tovojolo actually asked me for the last newsletter, but Miss Julie forgot. Bad Miss Julie. She was so busy boosting morale it just slipped right by her. Nemissimo, maybe you need to crack that whip again to get Julie back in line. Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Friend of Dorothy has attracted the attention of a group of....the more senior elements of our gay society. They disagree with our thesis that Saint Judy was the possible source of the term, and demand we change the article to reflect their contention that Dorothy Parker was the origin. The problem is, their source didn't check out. So we agreed to disagree. Well, we at the project did. They got kinda mad at us, said unkind things, and started edit warring. Though they are old, they are certainly quick, and could revert the article faster than my nimble fingers could press the undo button. To quote the divine Miss Parker, every time I saw the article on my watchlist, I thought to myself, "What fresh hell is this?". The page was protected by sympathetic administrators, but keeping an eye on it will keep Dorothy safe from future Wicked Witches of the West or East. Ambrosia Our dear Benjiboi has been busy indeed, lately. He recently made fruit salad out of Fruit, turning a once nasty word into a damn good article, and saving it from deletion! Congratulations, Benjiboi! I hear he has turned his attention from fruit to poultry now. Before he is through, he will have turned every major food group gay on Wikipedia! Christmas came early Yes, indeed! Valued administrator WJBscribe was raised out of the mire of mid-level management and placed squarely into the Pantheon of Bureaucracy! And Miss Julie is just too proud of him not to mention that he got the most support votes in the history of Wikipedia! Congratulations, WJB! We know you will not prove the Peter Principle correct! You! Yes, you! It's you who make this project shine! It's you who make Wikipedia such a valuable resource for all humanity! And it's you who make Miss Julie's dull life just a little bit better. So I want to take this moment to thank each and every one of you for all you do here. Merry Christmas, everybody! Happy Hanukkah! Festive Kwanzaa! Delirious Dong Zhi! Delicious Diwali! And for our oppressed Iranian brothers and sisters, I wish you a safe and joyous Yalda. And if I didn't mention your favorite December holiday, well, it's because I feel it's so special I should just keep it between you and me. Always remember: You light up my life! May we all have a joyous holiday season, and a safe, healthy, happy and prosperous 2008. With love from Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Your Cruise Director know.

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The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XII - December 1, 2007 Ms Julie is .. unavailable .. this month, so Isaac and Gopher have stepped in to put this newsletter thing together. We may not be as funny as you're used to, but if you'd like a free drink, come see me at the bar. That might help. Maybe. And no, there aren't any flashing lights or fancy pictures this month - I'm still recovering from a whopping hangover. Julie's recovering too, but that's a story I'll let her tell. Two New Featured Articles (and...) Emma Goldman was promoted to Featured status on 2007 December 27. If you don't know Ms. Goldman, she was a Lithuanian anarchist. Aren't many of those around, really, so having one of our very own is special. She'll be dancing the Cha-Cha on the Promenade deck later tonight. Ann Bannon was promoted to Featured status on 2007 December 3. Faithful readers may remember Moni moaning that we didn't mention this promotion in the last newsletter. Happy now? Ludwig Wittgenstein seems to have been dropped from the vaunted roles - he was downgraded to "B class" on 29 December 2007. What a way to end the year! Let's see - we started December with 35 FAs. We added two and dropped one. So somewhere there's a missing FA - has anyone seen one lying around? Jumpaclass Contest winner The winner of 2007's Jumpaclass competition is Fluffball70 (talk · contribs)! Congratulations, Fluffball! Despite strongly being urged to select Love Boat as the next WikiProject Collaboration, she has chosen LGBT Symbols as her prize: please contribute to its improvement - or enter the competition for this year! Ze Portal The marathon efforts of Dev920 against her astonishing abilities of procrastination continued this month, and she managed to update the Portal's main articles. Whether she will finally beat her procrastination pixies in submission and update the biographies remains to be seen, but Jeffpw has leapt to the rescue and taken it upon himself to do all our lovely news. Friends, lend us your goodwill and your eyeballs, and mosey on over to see all Jeff's hard work. Also, back in October 2007, Allstarecho and Benjiboi worked diligently on the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" and "WP:LGBT Random Picture" sections of the portal. They added many new quotes and pictures but, and yes here's the cat's meow friends... you can now use these on your own user pages! To add the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Quotes}} And to add the "WP:LGBT Random Picture" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} If you'd like to see it in action, check out Allstarecho's userpage for both in action and Benjiboi's talk page for the Quotes in action! The long, slow race toward FP status continues... Bisexual Awareness Month Folks in Utah are celebrating Bisexual Awareness Month. For our own wikicelebration, Alison suggests we try to bring Bisexuality at least up to good article status. Working on the Utah article would be encouraged, but do it stealthily - they don't like us to be *too* open. A cunning plan In a move sure to bring her fame and fortune at last, Dev920 (talk · contribs) has proposed that an FA buddying system be set up, to help nudge frightened tikes who also happen to write killer ass articles over that initial first FAC hurdle. Anyone interested in shepherding duties, or anyone interested in being made to lie beside still waters (handcuffs are optional), do drop Dev an RSVP so she can start battering those darned pixies... New members Let's give a big Love Boat welcome to all our new members: Mike1981, RAShippy, CoppBob, Altairisfar, Dureo, LessThanClippers William P. Coleman, Grrrlriot, Queer Scout, Kentucky1333, Melty girl, Phenominus, Avazina, Dfeuer, and Lycanthropiclion. We're glad to have you all aboard! New task-force? Zigzig20s has mentioned a desire to work on .. desire. Specifically literature by and about LGBT desire. To facilitate "LGBT Literature" taskforce, there will be shuffleboard and lesbian fiction on the foredeck later in the afternoon. Signup if you're interested. To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Your Cruise Director know.

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[edit] Overthrow article (again)

Hi Laualoha, long time no hear and hope you're well. As you may or not be aware, we have another (new?) "difficult" editor, Yosemitesam25, bent on pushing a very Grassroots Insitute-like POV on the Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom article. I and certain other editors feel it may either be an old friend or a new one, but suspicious of his/her possible WP:COI issues. See User_talk:Yosemitesam25 for details. Certainly their edits have been highly tendentious, and your help and input would be very welcome. You may wish to refer to the back and forth discussion on the article's talk page. Given where things are (YS seems unamenable to logic if you ask me) it would have more weight if further reverts to his reverts had the consensus of other editors, so again, your help would be appreciated. Aloha and mahalo, Arjuna (talk) 02:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XIV - February 29, 2008 Article Milestones The leprechaun is a male faerie in Irish mythology. We have one new Featured Article this month - Emily Dickinson was recently promoted thanks to the hard work of Yllosubmarine! We also have 4 new GA-class articles: Ben Daniels, J. Michael Bailey, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, and Walt Whitman were promoted this month, but Dante's Cove was demoted. Wikinews Things are happening over at Wikipedia sister project Wikinews. First, Nicholas Turnbull became the first openly-Trans reporter to gain (resounding) accreditation by the Wikinews community. Second, project member David Shankbone is going to Rio de Janeiro at the invitation of the Rio Convention & Visitor's Bureau. Wikinews:Portal:LGBT Lambda Book Report Project member Moni3 has been working on the article for Barbara Gittings and noted that the Lambda Literary Foundation used the lead paragraph from Wikipedia, skillfully and lovingly written by Moni3, verbatim in the Lambda Literary Pioneers calendar. Moni3 contacted the Lambda Literary Foundation to let them know, and to ask if we could get a little write-up in the next Lambda Book Report. There is a preliminary text you can find here. Feel free to add to it. It should be no longer than 1,000 words, and it needs to be submitted by March 15. New members Let's give a big LGBT welcome to all our new members: Dylankidwell (talk · contribs), Jay*Jay (talk · contribs), Ftmichael (talk · contribs), AgnosticPreachersKid (talk · contribs), Phyesalis (talk · contribs) , Tullerk (talk · contribs), Ravenwhitehorse (talk · contribs), TigressofIndia (talk · contribs), Yohan euan o4 (talk · contribs), Masculinity (talk · contribs), Renegade Replicant (talk · contribs), and Youngwebprogrammer (talk · contribs)! User categories Place yourself in a user category so you can collaborate with other LGBT/Allied Wikipedians! Mostly for allies of LGBT people; To place yourself in Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues, just add [[Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add this userbox by placing {{User:UBX/LGBTinterest}} on your userpage. Mostly for people who identify as either Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Transgender; To place yourself in Category:LGBT Wikipedians, just add [[Category:LGBT Wikipedians|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add a userbox found at User:Xaosflux/UBX/Sexuality#Sexual orientation. St. Patrick's Day In honor of Saint Patrick's Day, why don't you consider improving one of these articles: Homosexuality and Roman Catholicism, LGBT rights in the Republic of Ireland, Campaign for Homosexual Law Reform, Recognition of gay unions in Ireland, List of gay and lesbian resource centres in Ireland, or any of the articles in our to-do list? Women's History Month March is Women's History Month in the United States. Help us celebrate by improving History of lesbianism or Lesbian American history! You could also find references for women in our giant list of LGB people to be sorted. To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let us know.

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[edit] Welcome Back

Hi, nice to see you editing again. I have not been very active recently. It appears that all the old Congressional articles in need of writing have been done. Life has got in the way and I have yet to find a new Wikipedia niche. Your recent edits to the Legal status of Hawaii article look good. Could you check out the Legal status of Texas and Legal status of Alaska articles and edit them if you see ways to improve them? I think I will revise the opening paragraph in the same way that you have the Hawaiian one.

BTW, I visited Hawaii recently for a conference. I am very happy to have finally been there. It was beautiful. LarryQ (talk) 22:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

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The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XV: June 11, 2008 Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around. [edit] WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled. [edit] Is Pride POV? We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring? [edit] Harvey Milk and Jim Jones For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer... [edit] Queer Studies is offensive! The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors. [edit] Lambda Literary Awards What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put [[ ]] around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th [1]. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website [2]. [edit] Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate. [edit] This month's Wiki stars This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!) [edit] Compulsive hoarding of templates Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page. [edit] The Violet Quill and magazines Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help. A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation. [edit] Mom's nagging for Pride Month It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver. [edit] Fresh faces to brighten our pages Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy , Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult, Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003. It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia. In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon." We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.

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