Talk:Laurent-Désiré Kabila

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[edit] advance fee fraud box

Should the warning on advance fee fraud be made into a template and placed on other relevant pages such as Sani Abacha? — ciphergoth 08:49, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

No — it was a bad idea to begin with. Fradulent e-mails can mention anybody. If advance fee fraud e-mails circulated with Condoleezza Rice or Nelson Mandela as the subject instead of Kabila, would you place the purple box on top of their articles, too? Please remove it. --Ardonik.talk()^* 08:58, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

The purple box wasn't my idea, but another Wikipedia user; see the revisions before mine. I just tidied it. — ciphergoth 17:42, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

The box was signed by User:Jimbo Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, which is why it has stayed up so long. From its wording, I had assumed that there was a spam email somewhere that explicitly mentioned the Wikipedia article, rather than a general reference to Kabila. I have no idea if the spam is no longer in circulation. - BanyanTree 20:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Even if the box was Jimbo's idea, I still think it's a bad one that needlessly detracts from the article. If a spam e-mail that referenced this page was the impetus for adding the warning, I'd certainly like to see the message myself (and add it to BJAODN.) --Ardonik.talk()^* 04:31, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

After doing a google search excluding wikipedia.org sites, and finding nothing but mirrors repeating the tag, I'm removed it. - BanyanTree 13:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for doing this. For posterity's sake, this was the box that we were talking about:

Warning: this name appears in some e-mail spam which asks for help moving a large sum of money. The money does not exist; the sender is a criminal who is trying to steal your money through advance fee fraud.

--Ardonik.talk()^* 16:47, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

At the risk of beating a dead horse, the original box until recently was:

- BanyanTree 16:52, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

You may wish to edit this entry in List of Dictators. Wizzy…☎ 21:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV

I've tried to remove the rampant POV attacking Kabila's government. Ideally some specifics for the criticism should be provided. Even so, it seems extremely biased to suggest that Kabila could have constructed a corruption-free liberal democracy in the months before Rwanda attacked. It is a fact he didn't do so, but no objective account should frame the discussion in this way.--Jack Upland 02:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Lumumba was overthrown by Joseph Mobutu within months."

"When the Congo gained independence in 1960, Kabila was a youth leader in a party allied to Patrice Lumumba. Lumumba was overthrown by Joseph Mobutu within months. Kabila and other supporters of Lumumba fled into the jungles of eastern Zaire. In 1964, Kabila helped organise a revolt in the Ruzizi region."

Does this not gloss over the role of Belgium and the USA in Lumumba's assassination? I know a full discussion would be better placed under Lumumba's page, but some reference to Western involvement should be made. Perhaps it would be better to simply state "after Lumumba's assassination..."

carl