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[edit] First Spanish album in 1994

I previously edited this article because I noticed that Laura's first Spanish album was published in 1994, instead of 1995 as the article said. It says so in my original copy of the album and it also says so at Laura's official website. However, someone changed it back to 1995 providing no reason and apparently without checking official sources. I'm changing it back to 1994, since as I've argued that's definitely the right date. Please do check the album and the official website if you think it was 1995.--Pecholobo 22:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] First Spanish Album - 1994

I'm sorry. I have 3 editions of the album. The vinyl from España and the Italian and Brazilian Cd's. The vinyl and the Italian cd I don't use. So I checked only in the Brazilian Cd (1995). The vinyl says 1994. So it is 1994.

You don't need to be rude. :)

Somebody erased the information about "I Sogni..." another day. Was you?


Bye...


--Grimaldi 12:28, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry if I sounded rude. I tried my best not to sound like it. I guess I was a little upset and I couldn't hide it. Sorry again.
I didn't erase anything related to "I Sogni..." - I didn't even know about it, what is it? You can check the article's history to see who did it.
Going back the Laura's first album in Spanish, I think the correct date is 1994, not 1994/95. The album is from 1994, even if some editions weren't released until 1995. I guess it's not really that important though.--Pecholobo 22:38, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 160 platinum albums?

This can't be true. Can someone find out the real number? Vansice 21:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know if Laura is a mezzo or a soprano?

[edit] From the inside

Where's the album in english by Laura Pausini? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.45.111.69 (talk) 16:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Tudo o que eu vivo vs. Le cose che vivi

The title of the Brazilian special edition of Le cose does not appear to be the Portuguese Tudo o que eu vivo. Its Italian title was retained. Pausini's official web site even lists the album as such—Le cose che vivi (Just 4 Brazil).

Also, the duet "Seamisai" with Gilberto Gil appears in E ritorno da te/Volveré junto a ti, not in Le cose (Brazil), as the article states. Oskarg956 10:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

I take issue with User:Spellcast and other "crusaders" like him/her with purist stances against the mention of awards in the opening sentence of an article. Now, I say "crusaders" because even Spellcast admits, "I've been removing every mention I see about 'Grammy/Academy/Emmy winning' etc. in the opening sentence."

Their argument is seemingly logical—seemingly, because it's also biased. No one ever makes mention of the Nobel Prize. A quick scan through the biographies of Nobel laureates reveals that 3 in 4 such articles mention the award in the opening sentence. No one seems to have a problem with this. Why? Nobel laureates were nominated and selected by a group of their peers and/or "authorities" in their discipline just like Academy Award– and Grammy Award–winners. Why the double standard? Why is one prize held in higher esteem than all others? User:FuriousFreddy suggests we "crack open some professional print encyclopedias" to see their level of professionalism, but even these mention Nobel laureate in the opening sentence of their entries.

Secondly, the purists seem to have a problem with quoting precedent (unless it's convenient for them, of course). User:Extraordinary Machine suggests sympathizers who claim that "other articles have similar intros" are ignorant. FuriousFreddy states "if everyone else is screwing up, that means you'd screw up right alongside them." It will greatly inconvenience these users to know that even featured articles (Bette Davis, Henry Fonda, Jake Gyllenhaal, Diane Keaton, Norman Borlaug are but a few examples that a quick scan yielded) which Wikipedia holds in greatest esteem contain the "screwed-up," "ignorant" practice of including awards in the opening sentence. Perhaps the real "verbal fluff" is Wikipedia's claim:

Featured articles are considered to be the best articles in Wikipedia, as determined by Wikipedia's editors. Before being listed here, articles are reviewed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style according to our featured article criteria.

I have a hard time believing five articles with NPOV "problems" in the opening sentence slipped past the editors.

Finally, FuriousFreddy says the practice is acceptable if "their winning a certain award was particularly groundbreakign in some way." It just so happens that Laura Pausini's Grammy gave her the distinction of being the first Italian female to win the award. In the Grammy Award's 50-year history, Pausini is only the second Italian to win the American award. Had Spellcast taken the time to read the article, he/she would have known this. But again, there is a fixation among editors to do away with "violations" that they skip over context to serve their righteous campaign.

Because of these reasons I am undoing Spellcast's edit. I have read the purists' arguments and what I see is bias and discrimination. Oskarg956 04:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey Spellcast, thanks for responding. When I noticed you had edited the opening sentence of the Laura Pausini article I wasn't upset, I wasn't offended, I really had no opinion. But I wanted to know why, since you had failed to explain in the edit summary. After reading your user discussion page I came to understand that it was a problem with POV. Now, I've read the policy at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and clearly understand. I am, by no means, contesting the policy. What I am challenging here is the policing. It seems that only performing artists' biographies are targeted for violations. What about Nobel laureates, Pulitzer Prize–, Peabody Award–, Medal of Honor recipients? What about Olympic medalists? No one is up in arms about the inclusion of awards in the opening sentence of their articles. Are these awards more valid than performing arts awards (namely, the Academy–, Grammy–, and Emmy Awards)? If this isn't discriminating policing then I don't know what is. Then, in an effort to sway opinion the purists make some arguments that undermine and invalidate Wikipedia's claim of excellence when sympathasizers quote precedent. Featured articles are supposedly reviewed rigorously for neutrality, style, etc. And yet they're also full of "ignorance" and "screw–ups." Are featured articles the standard to emulate or not? I understand the NPOV policy. The policy is not the issue. The issue is neutrality itself. I'd love to hear the purists admit they themselves have been bias and discriminating in their crusade. I'd love to see a real effort for NPOV on all biographies, not just performing artists'. The revision on the Laura Pausini page is my form of protest. Until I see reform in the purist circle, then I'll be convinced of neutrality. Oskarg956 05:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IOM

I have yet to see the use of post-nominal letters for 'cavalieri' in Italian publications. The title Sig/Sig.ra suffices, it seems. Edit has been undone. Oskarg956 16:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Solarolo vs. Faenza

A recent edit asserts, "Often the medias report incorrectly that she was also born in Solarolo, but this is not true: moreover Solarolo is so small that it does not have a hospital."

The "truth" is that Laura Pausini, herself, claims to have been born in Solarolo:

Laura Pausini: I was born in a little village in the north of Italy called Solarolo.
—Bottomley, Charles. "Laura Pausini: All About Diva", VH1.com, November 22, 2002.
Yo he nacido en una ciudad de Italia cercana a dos ciudades importantes que se llaman Bologna y Faenza.
—"Interview with Monserrat Olivier", Las hijas (de la Madre Tierra), Unicable [México], January, 27, 2007.
Yo he nacido en un pueblo muy pequeño de Italia [que se llama] Solarolo. Está cerca de una ciudad que se llama Bologna....Yo he nacido en este pueblito pequeño de 4.000 personas.
–"Interview with Beto Ortiz", Nadie se duerma con Beto Ortiz, Frecuencia Latina [Perú], November 2, 2001.

Edit has been undone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oskarg956 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Sincerely the Laura's place of birth question starts to be rather frustrating. Laura states that she was born in Solarolo? Well, she simply says what she "feels", but on an encyclopedia the place of birth must be indicated following the objective reality, not feelings. The objective reality is what documents report. Laura can't be born (to be born = to come to life into this world) in Solarolo because in that case Laura should be born at home or in the street, since in Solarolo there are not hospitals. And in 1974 times were modern enough to convince women to give birth to a child in a hospital. Faenza is about 10 km from Solarolo, so Laura is not to blame if she states in the interviews that she was born in Solarolo because Laura has always lived there, she has never lived in Faenza. But for an encyclopedia this is not a correct statement, that's all. There are even cases in which people raised in Italy are born abroad: they can say whenever they want that they feel they are 100% Italian, but this is not a good reason to say that they are born in Italy as well. 62.10.19.129 21:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, according to Wikipedia policy, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. 'Verifiable' in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source." I've provided three sources (and there are plenty more) in which Ms. Pausini, herself, makes the claim. She says "Solarolo", Solarolo it is. Secondly, no one is "blaming" her for claiming to have been born in Solarolo. That kind of language spells agenda to me. Oskarg956 00:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Lplogo01.JPG

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox artist

As can be seen here, Geografia75 prefers to use a picture for the name of Laura Pausini in the infobox. I have now reverted this twice, as I believe it goes against the point of having standardised infoboxes, where indeed even the coloring scheme has a point. I recommend Geografia75 and everyone else to state their opinion on this matter here first, and not to include the picture as her name again unless and until a consensus has been established here. Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) 07:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The image, anyway, is not so much a logo as it is a graphic design choice for the Resta in ascolto sessions—Escucha, Live in Paris 05, and their singles. The image is dated and inappropriate. Oskarg956 (talk) 15:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Lplogo01.JPG

Image:Lplogo01.JPG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

cio laura sono kaouther sono tunisina che ti ama molto e voglio ti vedere subito tra noi in tunisi perche tutti la genti qui ti voglio bene —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.203.146.107 (talk) 14:09, 25 April 2008 (UTC)