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Well as far as I remember from the history of my country (Bulgaria) the Latin empire had the name "RomeLia" not Romania .. I know that in english the western people like to change the names of many counries and places but still

"Rumelia" was the Ottoman name for the Byzantine Empire, I think. Maybe that's what they called the Latin Empire too, I don't know. Adam Bishop 18:22, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not any good at history and this may sound foolish but..... Weren't the Crusades initiated when the Byzantine Empire petitioned for help and Pope Urban responded. If so , why did the Crusaders sack Constaninople?

Well it's a long story...see the Fourth Crusade article. Basically, the crusaders became overdependent on Venice, which had various disputes with the Byzantine Empire. The crusaders also got caught up in a complicated political dispute that they didn't really understand (the son of a deposed emperor wanted them to help him overthrow the current emperor), and that got out of control too. Plus, the Byzantines had never really been helpful during the crusades, at least according to the crusaders - they were always seen as scheming and backstabbing, and the crusaders thought they had been abanonded by them many times. Hopefully the Fourth Crusade article explains this more fully. Adam Bishop 23:26, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

The name Romelia is used in Bulgarian, I think it's fair enough to accept Romania as a name of Byzantium... What I dont see in this article is the story of the Latin Empire's wars with Bulgaria... this article is all but reliable as a source, as is most of Wikipedia anyway...

Perhaps you would like to add some information about that? Adam Bishop 04:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Romania: According to this source "the Byzantine Empire, was in fact still the Roman Empire, known to Western Europeans, "Latins" or "Franks" at the time, as Romania, already the name of the Empire in Late Antiquity". Lots of references come up from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica search engine too.

There are also old maps using this name for the region: [1]

--KIDB 11:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I think the Empire was referred to "Romania" (Land of the Romans) by the Pope in his speech to crusaders before the original crusade and therefore long before the Latin sack and capture of the city and the throne. Certainly, I'd be quite interested to know what the Latin Empire's proper name was (ie what it was called at the time, rather than the name later historians have given it to distinguish it from the Monarchy it supplanted). --Zagrebo 14:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of "Romania"?

A question for scholars of Latin: Does the phrase "Imperium Romaniae", as used in 1204, most precisely translate into modern English as "Empire of the Roman People" (Eastern Romans, that is, i.e., medieval Greeks) or as "Empire of the Roman Lands"?

A question for anybody: Which of the two (regardless of how phrased) do you think would be most useful to a WP reader who might come across this page in a search? Jmacwiki (talk) 01:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Well it literally means "Empire of Romania", so the land not the people (which would be Romanorum I suppose). To be honest I'm not sure what they really called it in Latin, but in French it was "Romanie", according to Geoffrey of Villehardouin (as opposed to Rome, the city). I imagine its Latin name would be easily found in some papal letter, though. I think to make it clear to readers, we should say that it was called "Romania", explain what that means, and note that it has no connection to the modern country. Adam Bishop (talk) 03:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Palaiologoi?

Why is there any mention of the policies of the Paleologos family in an article on the Latin Empire? Surely these belong instead in articles on the BE (restored) or on the minor BE successor states like Nicea -- that is, states that the family actually controlled. Jmacwiki (talk) 02:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)