Talk:Latasha Harlins
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[edit] Factual Accuracy
This article says Soon Ja Du was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, but the article on the 1992 Los Angeles riots says she was convicted of voluntary manslaughter. The vast majority of web references say voluntary manslaughter, including a court transcript, so this page is probably the one that is wrong.
[edit] You Are Wrong...
Since when did she punch the owner? I've seen the video. She didn't even steal anything, as best I can remember. The owner was just acting on a stereotype. Ridethefire3211
- You are wrong Ride, Latisha punches Du viciously in the video. So vicious that Du falls to the ground, Du would later pass out from the blows. From news coverage back then, video showed Du with severe bruising from the attack. Yes, Latisha was 15, but she was 150 lbs and nearly 6' tall up against an elderly woman under 115 lbs. Its tragic what happened, and there is blame to go on both sides. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.171.238.76 (talk • contribs) 20:56 13 September 2005
- That is what she said so she wouldn't be jailed for life for second degree murder. But this is what the police said 2 days after at a press conference: "Du was arrested Saturday afternoon on suspicion of murder, Bostic said, just hours after she was treated at a hospital for what Bostic described as "superficial injuries" she sustained in the scuffle." There is hardly blame to be divided. Du was in a tough situation that many of us would have also failed. But it was her crime.
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- lots of issues | leave me a message 22:53, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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- I saw the video on a PBS program on the L.A. Riots, and Latasha immediately throws punches upon being confronted. The punches seemed powerful to me as evidenced by Du's head recoiling after each blow. And to the police, bruising, even severe bruising is considered superficial.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.171.238.76 (talk • contribs) 02:24 15 September 2005
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- The division of the blame in this case is not between that of two specific people. Understanding the circumstances in which the murder was committed blame goes to both the African American and Korean Communities. Other African Americans had stolen from Du's store previously and so she had reason to be suspicious. Ms. Harlins was one of many victims of the racial tensions in LA. The Korean community can be blamed for setting up so many liquor stores in the ghettos and being "rude" to African American customers. However, Korean's often had no choice but to set up shop in such places where no other racial groups would go. As for the common myth that immigrants receive more loans than inner city entrepreneurs, nothing could be further from the truth. Asian American entrepreneurs often get money from family abroad or save for decades working odd jobs in hopes of opening businesses. Koreans blaming African Americans and African Americans blaming Koreans is exactly how some would like the system to continue. Hopefully, some day, people will stop all this bickering and get to the real issues. FantajiFan 01:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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- You left out one very important word in your sentence. Harlins immediately throws punches upon being PHYSICALLY confronted. It was Du who first used her hands. 130.156.30.59 (talk) 21:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] biased
this article is biased and is only up here because of the supposed 'hate crime'. i think we should put this up for deletion.
- What in the article do you feel is biased, and how so? Mwelch 22:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merging of Soon Ja Du and Latasha Harlins articles
Take a look and compare. These two articles are identical in scope with a few details unique to both. ie. names, ages, roles of Billy and Charles Du, Du's lawyer, video proof, Tupac. It seems like a waste of space to have the two when they don't go into the actual lives of the two individuals, and all we know about them stems from this one incident. I'm not entirely sure what the new article should be called - I'm trying to find an article which was titled after an incident with a similar background - Would this be a precedent? As voluntary manslaughter is still murder by definition, it could be called "Murder of Latasha Harlins," but I'm sure someone wants think of something that sounds "less biased." (The Lake Effect 09:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC))
- Agreed with the merger idea. Definitely think that "Death of . . ." or even "Killing of . . ." would be a better title. Whether voluntary manslaughter is truly the same as second-degree murder is a subtle legal point that in truth would vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction even within the United States, to say nothing of possible legal variances in other countries. One could certainly make an reasonable argument that there's no substantive difference, and that "murder" is therefore just as appropriate a word. But it isn't Wikipedia's place to make such an argument. So, since Soon Ja Du was not convicted of murder, a "Murder of . . ." title definitely should not be used. Mwelch 20:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I'd like to try merging the two. --Seazzy 21:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What absolute bullshit, seriously lads. Let's discuss, then change.
Who in the world puts an item IN their backpack, and then goes to pay for it. I doubt that girl was going to pay for anything, probably going to steal it.
Of course, it doesn't warrant her death but my god lads, let's get this straightened out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.178.93.113 (talk) 13:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC).
- yes. She was absolutely, positively going to steal it. Pulling the money out of her pocket was a dead giveaway. Obviously people who have money in hand plan on stealing and should be punished with a shotgun.--Claude 19:58, 12 May 2007 (
[edit] Soap Box Section
Even though Wikipedia is not a soapbox, several users have used this page to express the opinion that Harlins deserved to die or that her death is somewhat less tragic because she was stealing. This idea, weak to begin with, becomes totally useless once one realizes that she WASN'T stealing, and one realizes this soon after beginning to read the article. Of course, those expressing this opinion are of the anonymous hit and run type, who can't be bothered with reading the text or the links. So I'm creating this section for them to speak their anger and ignorance, and so those wanting a real discussion don't have to be disturbed with their useless opinions. 130.156.29.112 19:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- By the way, Claude is a sparkling wiggel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.92.7.44 (talk) 02:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] plagiarism!
This article contained several paragraphs copied (or nearly copied) from [1] (despite that page's prominent "reproduction prohibited" notice). Regrettably, the most recent revision I could find lacking the plagiarized text was from way back in December. I reverted it to be safe. Just thought I should explain myself. --kine (talk) 03:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
