Talk:Last Exit to Springfield

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[edit] Gags Per Minute

I am reviewing some of what are considered the classic episodes of The Simpsons and this one is my favourite, I counted the gags (both lines and visual) in the show. In this episode's 20 min run time I counted 195. Around one every 6 seconds. MitchellStirling 00:45 15 February 2006(UTC)

Interesting apporach you have to choosing a favourite episode. I would to say that this is one of the most entertaining episodes. If possible, I would like to see the list you have created (gags per mintue). --DChiuch 10:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lisa

Should it be considered canonical that Lisa plays the guitar in this episode at a highly skilled level? 63.139.174.19 00:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failed "good article" nomination

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of February 15, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: The prose is comprehensible yes, but it doesn't flow very nicely. The very first sentence in the article sounds disjointed to me: ""Last Exit to Springfield" is the seventeenth episode of The Simpsons' fourth season and it was named the best episode of the show by Entertainment Weekly." You might think about splitting up this sentence into two different sentences; the bit about ET could come at the end of the intro paragraph, for instance. The sentences in the intro are too short for my tastes. It lends to a very halting, very "bullet-point" type read. I don't like it. This article also needs a copyedit; I found missing punctuation in various places. Lastly, consider this sentence: "Burns considers the missed lessons of the past and regrets not listening to the young man 'instead of walling him up in the abandoned coke oven.'" I've seen the episode many a timje, so I know what you're talking about, but seeing as how "the young man" is not mentioned prior to this sentence, this sentence doesn't really make any sense. In the next sentence, there is a reference to "unions," while the paragraph was speaking about "union" before. I say the fails this criterion.
2. Factually accurate?: I give this a pass for this criterion, as there are plenty of sources here, but I would prefer to see them more spread out in the "plot summary" section, rather than having 4 right at the end. It makes me think that each of those four sources verify the last sentence; that's not really what you're going for.
3. Broad in coverage?: Oh yes, definite pass. This is about a TV show, and almost every aspect of it I could think of is covered here. Very nice. I especially love the well-sourced "reception" section.
4. Neutral point of view?: Definite pass. Anything that might be construed as POV is well-sourced.
5. Article stability? As far as I can tell, yes. Pass.
6. Images?: Many nice images, good captions on them. They're all screenshots, so they all meet appropriate fair use criteria. Pass.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. Thanks for your work so far.

Sorry, but I have to fail this article because I do not think it is well-written enough for it to be a Good Article. Please take a couple of days to reread the prose a few times, and make some appropriate changes. I think this is easily a GA if you can take care of that one criterion. Cheers, –King Bee (T • C) 16:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to Canadiancaeser

I'm trying to get the article to FA status (There are episode pages that are FA: Pilot (House) and a MASH episode) and I was cleaning up the sections and tryting to not make them seem like a trivia section. If you can suggest some ways the temptation sentence can be beefed up, I'd love to hear it. -- Scorpion 02:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

The MASH episode is named Abyssinia, Henry. I don't know what you mean by beefing it up, but I think it's fine as is. If you want you can add at the beginning "Those making the episode also added symbolism in portraying Mr. Burns...." If you don't have the sentence, be prepared to be asked to lose the picture. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 08:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

Since Scorpion reviewed mine, I thought I'd return the favor. *blows dust off of my old system*
The "-" indicates that something needs fixing, the "=" indicates that it is of decent quality, and the "+" indicates that it is of great quality, but mind you, this doesn't mean it is perfect. If there is a "~" next to it, that means it is borderline with the next rating. "=~" would be borderline "+" and "=" for example.

  1. It is well written.
    a (Prose: The prose, for the most part, is pretty good. However, a few issues. "Homer begins to need to use a bathroom. " sounds funny. The Cultural References is the biggest offender, and needs transitions. Currently, its broken sentences. However, its not so bad that I'd fail or hold it just for this.): Verdict:=
    b (Structure: No problems here. The same as the other Simpson GA): Verdict:+
    c (MoS: I don't see anything wrong.): Verdict: +
    d (Jargon: There's jargon in this article?): Verdict: +
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (References: Good and reliable. The story references are all official, and the links to the sites are what we need.) Verdict:+ :
    b (Inline citations: Everything is in order here.): Verdict:+
    c (Reliable: Good here.): Verdict:+
    d (OR: Good here too.) : Verdict:+
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (Major aspects: I can't think of anything else to add here.): Verdict:+
    b (Focused: Completely.): Verdict: +
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (Fair representation: Well, I'd say so.): Verdict: +
    b (All significant views: Totally, and even then some.): Verdict: ++
  5. It is stable.
    (No edit wars; all good here.) Verdict:
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (Tagged and captioned: Good good. Extra points for the infinite monkeys link.): Verdict: +
    b (Lack of images does not in itself exclude GA: Perfect balanced amount.): Verdict:+
    c (Non-free images have fair use rationales: Yep yep.): Verdict:+

Overall, quite good. There's no glaring issues, and just a couple things that need to be tinkered with, but I don't have much of a reason not to promote this. Its quite a good article. Congratulations on your new Good Article. Best Wishes, Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 23:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Union Strike Folk Song

I feel that this article should mention the "Union Strike Folk Song" composed for the episode, but it doesn't currently. Väsk 08:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Why? It's not a major plot point. Although, I think the song was rated high up in a list of best Simpsons songs, so perhaps that could be added to the Reception section. -- Scorpion0422 11:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
It mentions Classical Gas but not the Union Strike Folk Song, which made 3 separate appearances in the episode. Couldn't it be added in the same sentence. Timwhit 04:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Burns' monologue

Burns gives a monologue on the balcony after he shuts the power down. It rhymes and his animation is different, it clearly references something. Should this be under the cultural references section? And if so, what is it in reference to?

This references How the Grinch Stole Christmas by Dr. Seuss. It's mentioned in the Cultural References section. 138.69.160.1 21:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Selllf controoooll

Lisa needs braces! --Demonesque 11:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC) Dental plan!--72.1.222.140 (talk) 00:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps (Pass)

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, MASEM 23:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)