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[edit] This page needs a photo

This page needs a photo. Anyone going on vacation? Meelar 07:01, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

There's a useful pic at Las Vegas, Nevada. I've been planning to take some myself, just waiting for good lighting, ha ha. Stan 15:57, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Missing resorts

I note the Imperial Palace is missing, but I'm not sure where it should go on the list. —Morven 23:43, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

The guideline should be to sort in ascending order of the street number. Feel free to add missing info.

-- Felix Wan 02:09, 2005 Jan 12 (UTC)

  • Added Harrah's (more info soon)
  • Edited some wording
  • Edited resort names (not page titles) to better reflect common use names.
  • Expanded footbridge section, although footbridge is a valid term, I like what the news-casters called them (although lengthy), Overhead Pedestrian Walkways.

Comments? (This is Guy M (talk) reporting live, one block from L.V. Blvd. South) 15:40, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

I like the overhead bit. I had just asked about this on another page and will use it there. Thanks for the idea.Vegaswikian 04:13, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

When they are added these links will go from red to blue. If someone has a better name, adjust what I have suggested when you create the page.Vegaswikian 00:12, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

(&sup2) Suggestions:
  • Drop the use of "Las Vegas" as a suffix, unless it's part of the business name or referencing a single location that is also exists in another city?
    • Good: Caesars Palace Las Vegas (Currently as Caesars Palace)
    • Bad: Luxor Las Vegas
    • Ugly: Flamingo → Flamingo Las Vegas but not Flamingo (hotel and casino) / Flamingo Timbuktu disambiguates from pink birds
  • "hotel" and/or "casino" only be applied without ( )'s if part of the business name? And use of "(hotel and/or casino)" only when a needed for disambiguation?
    • Good: Rio (hotel and casino)
    • Bad: The Mirage (hotel and casino)
    • Ugly: See above
  • Avoid use of "&", use "and" instead? & is not frequently used in the formal style of publishing.
I might be without net access starting April 22 for an unknown period. I'll do all the editing I can, until then.
Guy M (Talk) 15:57, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Westward Ho

I removed the comments about the largest motel since everyone lists it as a hotel casino, even the Westward Ho on their site. I found no support for the claim of 1,000 rooms. I did find two different room counts 777 and 900. I used the 777 since it matches what Frommers lists, and they are usually correct.Vegaswikian 05:26, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

777 is what they quoted my on the phone when I called. …Guy M… (soapbox) 03:55, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hotel and Motel

I'm not argueing what a hotel or motel is, but the definitions:

  • Motel n. An establishment that provides lodging for motorists in rooms usually having direct access to an open parking area.¹
  • Hotel n. An establishment that provides lodging and usually meals and other services for travelers and other paying guests.¹
¹ Definitions © 2008 Lexico Publishing Group, LLC Used under fair use laws of the U.S.

IMHO, the following concept is more accurate of a motel:

  • Motel - A type of hotel in which parking is provided at or near the room and the room door gives out opens onto the parking lot. (HomeBased Travelagent)
... and motels do not have a single lobby entrance for access, hotels do.
Guy M (Talk) 11:27, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
"...door gives out..."? Sounds like the Del Mar! (Inside joke)
Guy M (Talk) 11:43, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Casino Royale

Is this really a major strip hotel? Should this be dropped from the table? Vegaswikian 23:57, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"major", perhaps not. Unless you want to define what "major" is -- such as having more than ## rooms, something quantitative and factual. Still, it is a hotel/casino on the Strip along with Barbary Coast and Boardwalk. SpikeJones 16:31, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate Info?

Somebody started a Las Vegas Boulevard page. Looks pretty unnecessary to me. Thoughts? SpikeJones 16:31, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Based on looking at the edit history, it was mostly duplicate data. It is currently a redirect to the strip. I am planning on writing an article on this since it is not just the strip. It runs from Apex to south of Jean and there are some interesting points of interest in there. Vegas is odd in that we have fewer streets articles then several other major cities, so adding a few when we have the time does make sense. I'd also like to add one for Fremont street, don't know about any more at this point. Some streets like FSD might be mentioned on the person's page or in passing on some other article. Vegaswikian 23:12, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Looks like User:Brianckeegan has also created the Las Vegas Valley article which again has duplicate data. I thought we were trying to avoid duplicate articles and has the basic structure in place. I'll drop a note on his page. Vegaswikian 23:22, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Standardizing hotel/casino/resort naming convention

I'm the new wikipedian terrorizing the Vegas pages, I've lived in Green Valley since the early 90s. Sorry about the duplicates, was not aware of this discussion. However I would like to know more about the very "diverse" convention for naming hotel/casino/resorts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hotels_of_Las_Vegas

  • See the missing resorts for some discussion on this. As I understand it, you should use the formal name as the article name unless it has, or will have, other articles that want the same name. Also remember the ~~~~ to sign entries. The above link could have been listed in a better wiki format as Category:Hotels of Las Vegas, yea took me a while to find that one. Vegaswikian 18:52, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • I should have added you can take a look at Golden Nugget Companies to see how the three Golden Nugget casinos are named. If you want to change an article name you can by using the Move option, just enter the new name. You should also use the What links here in the toolbox to see what pages link to the old name and then edit all of these to correctly link to the new article name. It you think it may be a problem, use the articles discussion page to explain what you are planning. 19:03, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] July 8, 2005 data in History

This is not encylopedic history, but crystal ball. Not sure that it should be completly deleted or not. It probably should not be kept in history here, since it is not even on the strip. Do we need a place to track major projects? Even failed ones can be notable given the notable people behind them. Comments? Vegaswikian 06:18, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

  • All true. Lack of a better place. Move it to where you see fit. :) SpikeJones 14:13, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Downtown Las Vegas redirects to Las Vegas Strip

Hey folks, I just noticed that Downtown Las Vegas is set up to redirect to this page. Those of us who live (or have lived) in LV will realize that they aren't the same location. In common usage, "downtown" Las Vegas refers to Fremont Blvd. west of Las Vegas Blvd. - a different location than the Las Vegas strip (generally Las Vegas Blvd. from about Fremont in the north to Sunset in the south).

The downtown hotels would include the Four Queens, Fitzgerald's, the Golden Nugget, Binion's Horseshoe, the Fremont, as well as the entire Fremont Street Experience. Strip hotels would include most of the newer ones (The Mirage, Luxor, Treasure Island, Paris, NYNY, Ballagio, etc.)

I think we should unredirect the two and perhaps set "Downtown Las Vegas" to redirect to "Fremont Street Experience." At the very least, we should put a disambiguation page describing the two options for "downtown" since different people will have different ideas about what constitutes downtown Las Vegas. Having those two options on a disambiguation page will satisfy 99.9% of them.

Also, under the History section of this article, the first line makes reference to a "Highway 91" which no longer exists, if it ever did at all. Highways 93 and 95 are the closest I remember, and I couldn't find Hwy 91 on a mapquest search either. Is it a mistake, or have the highways been renamed? ZZYZX 11:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Should not go to the Strip for sure! I'll change to a DAB, feel free to modify. And as I understand it, there was a US 91 from several old sources. Vegaswikian 00:24, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Another Missing Hotel

I believe the O'Sheas Casino is located on the strip and is missing from the schematic. MarkMascolino 04:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

The Sahara is missing from the box at the bottom (as it is on all pages that contain this box). I've tried to work out how to edit it myself but to no avail Speedything 13:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added back in the virtual tour of Las Vegas strip

Its been in the page for a long time and has value in that it has virtual tours of all the Las Vegas Strip Hotels. The site has some commerical links but is minimal in comparison to many in wiki. I would be curious what Vegaswikian thoughts are? (D360 01:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC))

  • It is a commerical link site. As such it should not be used. While it provides some pictures, it does not add much information to the article. See Wikipedia:External links. Vegaswikian 03:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure it is a commercial site but I could point to many many instances of links to commercial sites that provide legible value to an article. I can say that I personally photographed over 40 hotels and this site has the only comprehensive look inside and outside each hotel with 360 virtual tours. I think you can only get so much out of copy and the rest needs to be seen visually. (D360 22:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Imperial Palace / Harrahs Placement in the "map"

I noticed but do not have the skill to properly edit the schematic map of the strip that the Imperial Palace and Harrahs are in the wrong locations relative to one another. I believe that just above the Flamingo on the schematic should be the Imperial Palace and THEN Harrahs, but the way it looks right now, one who is visiting for the first time will expect to go from Flamingo straight to Harrahs. If someone can fix that, that would be great.

~Sasheena 23:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)Sasheena

Thanks for editing the page for me.

[edit] Major Hotel Locations - What's the Proper Content?

I noticed that this section is inconsistent as to what is included. For example:

1. The Stardust is still listed on the map, even though it was closed in November 2006. Other closed hotels are not included. I believe that the Stardust should be removed from the map. Anyone disagree?

2. Project City Center, a future "hotel" (more about that later), is included, yet other projects are not (e.g., Echelon Place, Encore, Palazzo). The issue of future projects is tricky, not only because they're future, but because many of the projects don't neatly fit in the category of "hotel". For example, Project City Center (an MGM Mirage project) will include a main hotel, condominiums, and some boutique hotels not even operated by Mgm Mirage. Do we list each of the hotels separately? The same will be true for Echelon Place: do we list the separately managed Shangri-La, Delano, and Mondrian hotels separately? I propose that, for future projects, it's best just to list the overall project, but that we should list all major projects: Project City Center, Echelon Place, Encore, and Palazzo. I'd leave out Montreux - it's been approved, but the property on which it will be built still hosts the New Frontier. Once they're open, the separately operated hotels should be listed separately. Comments? Larry 18:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

  • The maps and lists depend on updates. It is easy to miss needed corrections if a large number of editors are not looking at a specific page. So, if there are errors, please do fix them. Bad edits are usually noticed since most of these articles are on the watch lists for many editors. I really don't know how project City Center should be listed. On one hand a single entry would be cleaner and fit better. However to be more accurate, all of the hotels and casinos really should be listed. Don't know of a good answer at this point in time. Vegaswikian 22:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Polo Towers should be included. It is on the strip. It opens into the Hawaiian Marketplace which is co-owned (I think, may be wrong) and is on the strip. If so, it deserves to be on the map. Mercruz (talk) 06:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

On what grounds? Vegaswikian (talk) 06:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Boulevard?

I've live in and around Las Vegas for 20 years, and my business has made it necessary for me to go into most of the Strip casinos on a weekly basis, and I've never heard the Strip referred to as the Boulevard. Las Vegas Boulevard, sometimes, but never just The Boulevard. I guess I could be wrong, maybe the 20 something nightclub patrons call it the Boulevard, so I haven't just edited the main text, but I was hoping someone here would either agree or tell me I'm wrong.

  • Well, I'm here over 10 years and not sure. If someone says The Boulevard, I think of The Boulevard Mall. Vegaswikian 19:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Think it's okay to edit the opening "(also known as The Strip and to local residents as The Boulevard) " and to take out "and to local residents as The Boulevard"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikevegas40 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Bourbon Street Demolished

Bourbon Street was demolished last year, does it belong on the list of closed hotels? While not technically on the Strip, was it very different from the Paddlewheel/Debbie Reynolds? Mikevegas40 19:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orleans shuttles

According to their website, the Orleans still offers shuttle service. May not be the one that was removed, but someone should doublecheck to be sure. SpikeJones 12:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Open containers

Several editors keep deleting appropriate content to the legality of open containers on the Strip along with well-cited references. There is nothing wrong with noting the Strip's open container law in this article. It is both encyclopedic and appropriate; since the content included cited references, it ought to be included. Along with the city of Butte, Montana, the Power & Light District in Kansas City, Missouri, the French Quarter of New Orleans, Louisiana, and the history district of downtown Savannah, Georgia, the Strip is one of the only places in the United States where open containers of alcohol always are allowed on the street. All the other locations' articles include open container information, because it is so unique and appropriate for note. No one has given any good reason for not including this content. It should be included, and I have added it again. 65.28.9.8 (talk) 20:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

  • There are simply too many issues with the proposed addition. First, only about 1 or 2 blocks of the strip are in Las Vegas so any LV municipal code does not apply to most of the strip. Liquor is sold outside of the casinos in the downtown area of LV. If open containers are not allowed, then how are the sales of open containers outside of casinos allowed? Vegaswikian (talk) 04:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Also, the reference that was mentioned did not support the edit of "only 5 places in the US with open container laws". When I removed the text, I also asked if the cited LV municible code was available online. SpikeJones (talk) 11:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Map

The Map is a bit off. I removed theHotel (which is just a part of Mandalay -- no reason for special mention). I actually think the same about Four Seasons (which is just the top few floors of Mandalay). At the least they should be flipped to have MB "closer" to Strip on the map. Also O'Sheas is missing (should be right before Imperial Palace). There may be other things missing but those are things I noticed. IMO the map is the most important part of the whole page and needs to be accurate.Editor2008 (talk) 23:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that TheHotel should be removed. There are just too many hotels with separate names for separate portions. As to O'Sheas, the current map is defined as showing hotels. O'Sheas is just a casino, and thus should be excluded (as is Slots-A-Fun, another casino-only operation). Larry (talk) 00:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, you need to consider operation and use. TheHotel has it's own web site and marketing. It is a part of the resort, but not a part of Mandalay Bay. If you want to play this game, then kindly remove The Paris listing. It operates under the Bally's gaming license. So you would then say that they are one in the same. The Four Seasons has different owners and it's own areas including entrance and swimming pool. So how is that a part of Mandalay. An encyclopedia exists to provide information and not to hide it. Maybe someone needs to redo the articles to have a cover one for the resort and then one for each major entity in the resort. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Good point about O'Sheas, I guess. But maybe the map should be all the Casinos? It should be more comprehensive, although I love the simplicity. I favor adding O'Sheas and Slots-A-Fun. There is no way theHotel should be on there; it is a marketing gimmick. It is just another tower of Mandalay, there is absolutely no difference. Just because they have a website means nothing. Paris is a completely separate hotel from Bally's, though they are both owned by HET. Nobody staying at Paris would say they are staying at Bally's. But if you are at theHotel you would say you are staying at Mandalay -- the only difference is they try to market it more. The Four Seasons may have its own pool and checkin but it is nothing more than the top several floors of Mandalay. Still, it is a separate and independent brand outside of Vegas, and people see it as that, so it should stay on the map.Editor2008 (talk) 02:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Do you realize how many casinos are one the strip? Do you know what is a casino according to Nevada Statues? Do you really want to include every tiny casino on the strip? As far as O'Sheas goes, it is really a part of the Flamingo you can see that talk page where I believe this was discussed in the past. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Vegaswikian, for a guy that edits a lot of Vegas articles and claims to know Vegas, you actually appear to know very little about the Strip. I don't know what world you live in where there are tons of small casinos on the Strip without hotels. There is O'Sheas and Slots-A-Fun. I am 95% sure that is all there is, maybe 1 more I am missing but don't think so. I would include all of the non-hotel casinos -- which I think is just those 2. Also theHotel is just a wing of Mandalay Bay, including it as separate makes no sense; but I think I've won that argument via consensus and changed it.Editor2008 (talk) 17:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
For sake of others following along, where is the consensus discussion? If you're including my commentary, then there is no consensus as I disgree with you regarding non-hotel casinos. (Followup to my earlier rhetorical question is that JC1K no longer exists, apparently. It may, however, have been replaced by JC2K -- but I have no confirmation on this.) SpikeJones (talk) 19:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Consensus (I think) is on the Mandalay Bay/theHotel/Four Seasons point, not the O'Sheas-Slots-A-Fun point. I have not added the non-hotel casinos. I think they should be added though; just those two, and the Map would then be complete as far as casinos on the Strip.Editor2008 (talk) 21:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah. I see your point as you have defined what would make the map complete in your mind. The question is what the map is supposed to represent to all of us. Is it supposed to represent casinos on the strip? Or hotels on the strip? Or casino-hotels on the strip? Or places with neon signs on the strip? etc. SpikeJones (talk) 21:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
We did discuss the oSheas thing before, and I believe I lost that discussion (or perhaps I won it -- regardless, I was involved and there was a decision made of some sort) SpikeJones (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
If people think that casino information is useful, I have no problem including O'Sheas and Slots-A-Fun. Now, getting back to TheHotel discussion...The fact that TheHotel has its own web site is interesting but not especially helpful. That's more a marketing decision than anything else. I agree that actual use is important. However, we need to be very careful in this area, as Strip hotels are constantly trying to differentiate pieces of themselves. For example:
1. Wynn currently has one building open, BUT that building is split into two pieces: the regular portion for us hoi polloi, and the Tower Suites. The Tower Suites have separate elevators, separate check in facilities, and separate swimming pools. They even are rated separately by Mobil Travel Guide. Even so, I wouldn't list it separately.
2. The Venetian currently has two towers (not even counting the soon to open Palazzo), and they're pretty separate. Again, I wouldn't list them separately.
3. MGM Grand has The Mansion, which is really, really separate from the rest of the MGM Grand. I still wouldn't list it separately. And how about The Signature at MGM Grand, which is described on MGM's web site with the following sentence: "From the moment you drive through the private entrance, you'll know this hotel is different starting with our 24-hour Concierge." So, it is marketed as a separate hotel. However, I wouldn't list this one separately, either.
I think TheHotel is more of a marketing concept than anything else, and doesn't deserve inclusion any more than the above examples. I even question the inclusion of The Four Seasons, but that's a tough enough decision that I'm inclined to go along with the majority. Larry (talk) 03:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
My opinion -- if a specific hotel has their own check-in desk/rooms/staff AND casino, then they should be listed. Casino-only locations should not be listed. Hotel-only places should not be listed. Timeshare locations and condos-for-rent should not be listed. (a rhetorical aside for those paying attention: why don't we list the JC1K ultralounge?) SpikeJones (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I would like to point out, that there is no consensus here. So please don't use this discussion to claim consensus for changes. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, perhaps consensus (about theHotel) was too strong. In any event, the very minor change is sensible and others seem to agree. Consensus is not required for such a change, obviously. I find it frustrating that you keep reverting based on a perceived lack of consensus. It is a minor point, perhaps, but there is no reason to include theHotel without including several other separately-branded towers/mansions/etc. of major strip hotels. theHotel is part of Mandalay. There is no "theHotel casino." It's just a tower at Mandalay with suites. Editor2008 (talk) 00:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Exactly what is TheHotel missing? It's own name? It's own entrance? It's own 90,000 sqft casino? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vegaswikian (talk • contribs) 00:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Vegaswikian, have you even ever been to Vegas or are you a 16 year old kid in his mom's basement in Duluth? theHotel has no casino. It is an extension of Mandalay Bay. The casino is located in Mandalay Bay. It's all connected, just like every huge resort in Vegas has multiple towers. Editor2008 (talk) 00:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, people are very passionate about this subject! Vegaswikian, as stated above I too believe that TheHotel does not belong. Several examples of similar cases were supplied (Wynn's Tower Suite, Venetian, MGM's The Mansion, The Signature at MGM). While these examples are the best, there are other examples. How do you differentiate TheHotel from them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Traveling Man (talk • contribs) 01:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

(outdent) First, to Editor2008, there is no reason to be rude to Vegaswikian. The fact that people are here discussing proposed changes to the article instead of going to a revert war is the proper way to go about things without having a revert war. We're all capable of being civil, yes? Good. Now let's move on to the matter at hand. As I said earlier, Editor2008 made an interesting point about what he thinks the map represents: the map would then be complete as far as casinos on the strip. If you look at the map itself, it is labeled as "major hotel locations", with a linked sub-page for a full list. To me this label implies a few things: (a) we're only going to have the major hotels listed; (b) casinos without hotels will not be listed; (c) what the map represents is not a complete list and there is another page that has that information. That being said, I would not consider hotels within hotels to qualify as "major hotel locations" if we use the listed map definiton in its strictest sense. I do think, however, that the average joe walking down the strip would be able to identify what would qualify as a "major hotel" without getting into the nitty-gritty that a vegas fan would point at. My two cents, now I'll stay out of it. SpikeJones (talk) 03:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Definitions

There were some changes redefining the strip. I am strongly considering revering those changes since this article is about a specific road. Do we really want to expand the article to begin including surrounding areas? Vegaswikian (talk) 07:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The term has importance in tourism and commerce, and I think it should be noted that "the Strip" can refer to more than just the roadway. I agree that citations are necessary. I did a quick search for a legal definition of "the Strip" and I couldn't find anything. The gaming commission does classify properties as "Strip"; see [1]. Presumably that means with an address on LV Blvd, but I could not find a definition in that document. Even using that definition, the size of the properties merits some mention. Simishag (talk) 08:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
You may want to consider referencing this section that identifies specific gaming areas as defined by the gaming commission. They do, for example, extend the "strip casino boundary" to include casinos that are not physically located on Las Vegas Blvd. My guess is that they consider The Strip more of a zone that caters to tourists. The Rio and the Hard Rock are supposedly counted as Strip casinos, whereas the Palms and Orleans are not. While the gaming commission may not reveal specifics to anyone willing to call them and ask directly, they may offer reasonable info that can be used to guess the details. SpikeJones (talk) 14:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
That was more or less the classification in my head, but that article is also unreferenced. I can't imagine that the classifications are some great big secret, but I couldn't find any sources (although I only looked for 10-15 minutes). Simishag (talk) 20:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
While "The Strip" CAN refer to a lot of things, I think the best we can do is refer to it by its most common usage. There's no final arbiter as to what this is, but the Internet itself provides a clue, via its numerous Las Vegas forums. I'm closer to Vegaswikian on this. To me, "The Strip" refers just to Las Vegas Boulevard - and only part of it, at that. I'd go so far as to say that the southern boundary is at Mandalay Bay, and does not include such properties as South Point Hotel, or even Town Square. The northern boundary is somewhat more problematic, but could reasonably go as far north as The Stratosphere. Larry (talk) 15:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I certainly agree with you. For the purposes of this specific article, "the strip" does refer to the roadway from the generally accepted Mandalay Bay to the Strat (although I counter that the Strat is just a wee bit too far north, but whatever). But "the strip area" encompasses a bit more territory. It's like the debate going on over on the Disney articles regarding WDW. It's often references as being in "orlando", but the sticklers are insisting that the location is somewhere more precise. It is, no question, the "orlando area" and an "orlando destination", even though the physical mailing address may be outside the city limits. does this mean that there should be no mention of "orlando" in the Disney articles? That, my friend, is not an argument I recommend jumping into if you don't have time. Keep in mind that Harrah's is going to be expanding east behind the Flamingo/Bally's area by a block or two with their arena and whatnot. That area will still be considered "the strip", in part because of its proximity to the strip itself and association with the rest of the Harrah's complex, right? SpikeJones (talk) 16:39, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
To get the lesser item out of the way first: you make a good point about the Strat. I'm pretty wishy-washy as to its inclusion in the Strip, and would have no problem leaving it out. Now, on to the more fun stuff! The "strip area" is both a useful phrase and a tough one to define. While I consider the Palm and Hard Rock hotels to be off strip, if someone were to describe them as "strip area", I'd have to agree. The upcoming Harrah's arena is a tough one - obviously "strip area" but "on strip?" I'm not sure; it will be interesting to see how it's described once it's built. Larry (talk) 17:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Let's use the arena as our example. (an article detailing arena location specifics) It's being build one block off the strip on Koval on 10 acres of land. It's certainly within easy walking distance from the Strip (as opposed to the Hard Rock, which is walkable but not a casual one). The site is referred to as 'a strip site'. Harrah's has an additional 25 acres adjacent to the arena location -- assuming that the new construction is attached in any way to either the Flamingo or to Bally's so that you don' have to venture outside, would the new Harrah's construction be considered to be under the same roof as the physical strip casinos, and therefore could say that the new construction -- as it's reachable from a strip doorway -- would be located in "the strip zone" for purposes of this article? As to the Palm and Hard Rock and whether they're "on the strip" or not, if the gaming commission includes those properties in their "strip area" for reporting purposes, then that adds credence to the article being about not only the physical strip itself (obviously), but to include the appropriate surrounding area regardless of those associated street names. SpikeJones (talk) 18:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The strip is most commonly used to describe the road and the businesses located on, and having addresses on the strip. I think that should remain the focus of the current area. It could make sense to expand the LV metro area article descriptions to better define what the gaming commission considers in the various areas. I'm not sure that those definitions really apply to anything else. They are an artificial grouping that is constructed to provide a large enough pool of properties so that the data can not be traced back to an individual property. As far as a strip area. I could see an article of some sort. Maybe this should be looked at as part of a series of neighborhood like articles. However we would need to be able to define them. Then there is how to name them. But that can be resolved if a decision is made to create these articles. As to the north end of the strip. I always considered it to end at Sahara. However there were some who believed that it went up to the strat. So if someone wanted to change that I would not be objecting. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's how I arrived at the boundaries:

  1. The only realistic choices for the northern boundary are Sahara Ave or the Stratosphere. Cutting it off at Sahara could be justified as the point where the city limits begin, but that seems kind of arbitrary. The Strat is the last major resort property; north of this point, the street layouts and zoning change and there is much more industrial and residential development (Paradise Rd also ends here). Because of its status as a landmark and the fact that it doesn't really go in any other category, I think we have to include it.
  2. The southern boundary could be considered Russell Rd, but the "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign is about 1000 ft south of there, in front of Bali Hai. Surely the sign is part of the Strip :) One could argue that the last little chunk of land at Town Square will eventually be considered part of the Strip. I don't think it goes any farther south than I-215 in any case; again, the zoning changes and you start to get into residential & office buildings. Silverado Ranch (South Point) is 3 miles south, definitely too far.
  3. The east-west boundaries are certainly debatable, but I think we have to mention them somehow. If you look just N-S at Tropicana-Spring Mountain and E-W from I-15 to Koval, that's virtually all "Strip properties", but it's 1 mile wide. If you include Fashion Show and the Wynn (plus its golf course), it's over 1.5 miles wide and stretches to Paradise.

Also, I think the properties that are close to or strongly associated with the Strip deserve mention. The LV Strip is not like the Sunset Strip, where everything is right there up front on the road and there is very little depth after the frontage. We already have a name for the road itself (LV Blvd); to me, "Strip" has always referred to the road and the properties. Simishag (talk) 20:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

There may still be justification for using the gaming commission's zones... IF they are reporting the Strat as part of "North LV" or "Downtown LV" (or anything other than "Strip"), then there is at least some citable reference for having The Strip cut off at Sahara. Strip properties that fill an entire block between The Strip and Koval do lend credence to including significant properties that are on Koval as being part of "the strip zone". I don't think anyone is questioning the use of "The Strip" to be the piece of LVBlvd. It's the question of "The Strip" vs "the Strip area" that's being brought up. No need to break out new neighborhood articles for Koval or Paradise etc if they are unnecessary in talking about the area that supports The Strip itself. SpikeJones (talk) 20:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Creating a new article is probably just going to lead to duplication of content. I think there's room for both points of view here. "Strip" is basically a contextual term so we should mention its use in different contexts. I will add something to that effect now. Simishag (talk) 21:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] free shuttles

A reference is provided to verify that "a room key may be required" and that "enforcement varies." The original statement used words like "many" and "not typically" which are definitive enough that a source would have been required. Simishag (talk) 07:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cosmopolitan

Should the cosmopolitan have an entry? Aaronw (talk) 19:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Famous fictional casinos deserve a mention?

I was watching CSI and they had a prominent mention of the Tangiers. The name was familiar but I didn't remember where from until I googled it; Wiki didn't have any sort of listing for it. There's also the Montecito Resort and Casino, from the TV series Las Vegas. Now, if it's just these two, maybe they don't deserve a whole section, but I can't help but think there's more. Does anyone else know of any other famous fictional casinos in Vegas? If we can get at least three, I think this deserves its own section, bacause someone who's never been there wouldn't know which casinos are real and which are fictional and if we list them at least people searching for them will have an answer. Critterkeeper 05:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that even the TV shows like Las Vegas have issues keeping track of where their hotels are. (there's even a section on the Las Vegas (TV series) page about it). The Montecito, for example, is displayed in overhead graphics as being literally at the airport behind the Trop. Ed Deline's office overlooks the Mirage driveway (from the viewpoint of TI). Some of the suites and the rooftop have been shown as being the Flamingo (or more likely Barbary Coast) looking towards Paris. The Tangiers is located near Planet Hollywood, IIRC (at least the interiors were often filmed there. Ditto Oceans 13. Oceans 11 didn't do a great job of showing how far away actual casinos were from each other - check the overhead map that Danny shows off when first introducing the plan to rip off Benedict. I don't know if I would add the information here, but perhaps link to a new List of fictional Las Vegas casinos page, if you have enough of them to do so. SpikeJones 16:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think just a list would be big enough or have enough detail to warrant a new page. It wouldn't need to get into details of location, so no problem re the Montecito. I am not familiar with every fictional casino, and figured this would be the most likely place to gather more information; if the section grows large enough, it could always be moved to its own page later. Critterkeeper (talk) 05:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
If there is to be a list of "fictional Las Vegas casinos", let me add these two from CSI while I'm thinking of it: the Rampart (since imploded) and the Eclipse (currently being built at the same location as the Rampart, in-between Bellagio and Monte Carlo). SpikeJones 23:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Don't forget that there is the Rampart Casino by Summerlin. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)