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June 19th updates to history

Some major changes to the history section were made today that pretty much wiped out what was in there. Some important information was removed in this process along with the image that was there. I tied to put back in some of the information by weaving it into the new text so that we have a more complete history. However in the end it was not that easy to do, so I just cut and pasted in some of it. This still needs to be cleaned up. The some links still need to be cleaned up to match the style guide.

The article is now giving the size warning when it is being edited. While not a problem in itself, I suppose we need to consider moving the current history to a new article and just keeping the major highlights in the main article. So if there are no objections, that will probably happen in the near future. Vegaswikian 20:30, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The biggest problem with the history was there was no sources to back it up. I am working on 1966+ and will be putting it in. The plan is to make a page for Las Vegas history with 2 more pages for 1800-1966 and then another page for 1966 on.
Major changes which remove what is already there should be discussed here first. Much of the existing information was sourced from various places. So to just throw it away is not the right thing to do. It is not requird that sources be listed, if it was, then almost every article on wiki would need to be deleted. One editor on a dial up line spend a long time cleaning up and verifing much of what was thrown away. When you make your changes, please add to what is already there and don't throw it away since that creates more work when someone has to put the valid information back in. Yes, incorrect infomation should be removed, but everything was not incorrect. Given the work you are talking about, I'd suggest starting the detailed history article now rather then waiting for all of your changes to be completed. Vegaswikian 22:25, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The majority was incorporated, just worded different to fit the flow of the narrative. The rest was corrected and incorporated. The stuff, I forgot to put in (the beginning with the Spaniard's) was my fault.

Population

Vegaswikian: The census data previously provided is for Clark County; this does not count the entire Las Vegas metropolitan population. The updated data is from a reliable source (I've used it for projects in the past), even though it may seem inflated. Remember that the Las Vegas area is the fastest-growing in the United States, according to the U.S. Census.

Read the earlier heading for this topic. Using different sources apparently causes confusion so sticking with a single source seems to be the accepted way to go. Vegaswikian 23:56, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
While that may seem ideal, it would serve the interest of this article to use a source that is compatible with "metropolitan population" (which in itself is a somewhat ambiguous definition, but most useful in understanding the true size and relevance of a city) rather than "county census." If a more definative and updated source for this data exists, go ahead and replace the current figures.
Since this is the city article, using the LV numbers is correct. If you want a wider area, then you could use the Las Vegas metropolitan area article or the Clark County, Nevada articles which cover the wider area. Vegaswikian 21:25, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia city articles do seem to usually include the 'metro area' population (at least the ones that have been significantly expanded from the RamBot versions), but the Las Vegas MSA/agglomeration seems WAY too big to mention to me, as it appears to include three counties in NV and part of AZ[1] (Clark Co.'s probably too big, as well--it seems to be equal to LV-Paradise in the new system, and the new system's LV-Paradise-Pahrump is even bigger[2]). The LV UA seems far more appropriate[3] (includes as far out as Henderson, but not Boulder City or Pahrump--more or less the same as Las_Vegas_metropolitan_area#Las_Vegas_Valley). The 2000 LV UA pop was 1,314,357[4], but I haven't found a newer estimate.
  • Besides the 'apples vs oranges' problem with the World Gazetteer data, the general issues I have are: I have noticed places it doesn't agree with US Census Bureau numbers; it doesn't have (or else I haven't found): clear definitions of the geographical entities such as the LV agglomeration or the '2005 calculation' methodology; and the copyright/usage status doesn't seem clearly open--"If you would like to republish the data presented here, please do not change the data and use a copyright note as described as follows: © by Stefan Helders www.world-gazetteer.com"[5]. Niteowlneils 01:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This article opens with an ambiguous statement: "Las Vegas is the most populous city in the state of Nevada, United States. The city is the largest to be founded in the 20th century". The largest where? Nevada, the USA, or the world ? I doubt the latter, but perhaps someone could resolve this ambiguity on what is a potentially unique fact about Las Vegas Robma 07:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Emphasizing the remarkable growth rate of the city - the top, or among the top handful, of fastest growing cities in the U.S. for many years - is actually more significant than the absolute population of the city - which, at a bit under 2 million for the metro area, is not particularly notable. I don't have references right now for the growth rate but they should be very easy to find. VisitorTalk 07:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

People

Shound this section be merged with List of Las Vegans adding the notable residents to that list? Vegaswikian 05:16, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Done. Dr. Cash 16:22, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Economic history 2005-08-10

The following statement was added: Much of the growth is due to individuals and businesses escaping California's high-tax, high-regulation structure, while still wanting to be near the west coast (Nevada has no personal or corporate income tax). I have a few questions, is this really Las Vegas ecomomic history? Is the reason claimed for much of the growth proven? Is the income tax statement historic for the Las Vegas article? I think this sentence is conjecture and not factual or historic in this contex and should be removed. Comments? Vegaswikian 17:31, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd say that is conventional wisdom, but CW isn't Verifiable. There are groups, such as libertarian/conservative thinktank Nevada Policy Research Institute that claim that Nevada is not a low tax state, as the lack of income tax is made up for by other taxes and fees [6]. So, I agree, remove the statement as unverifiable, unless someone knows of specific research that supports it. -Satori 17:40, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree with Satori. Information should be backed up by facts. If this statement is factual, there should be sources to the information. TruthInEvidence 00:56, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
OK, I removed this text. Vegaswikian 01:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Satori, can you link to the specific citation within the NPRI site? I wasn't able to locate the information you cited from the home page. VisitorTalk 23:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

This struck me as odd upon reading the entry as well, and it is BACK.

The Nevada Development Authority for Clark County (http://www.nevadadevelopment.org/) cites an Inc Magazine article which quotes the Authority as saying that job growth and tax climate are major reasons for the business growth in Clark County; and a Tax Foundation study which quotes a Harvard Business School professor who commented on the significance of taxes in business locations. The NDA also provided a press release dated December 11, 2006 which states, "In the past few years, the NDA has targeted California companies to relocate and expand to Las Vegas and is currently making efforts to recruit life science and biotech businesses from the eastern seaboard.
The NDAís progressive campaigns to recruit business include statistics on the tax structure of Nevada. 'Las Vegas is one of the best places to do business,' said Somer Hollingsworth, President and CEO of the NDA. 'Companies across the country come to Las Vegas because there is a pro-business atmosphere and weíre growing at a rapid pace. On top of that, we don't have corporate or personal income tax.' "
Would you trust the NDA to be a veriable source with an opinion worth hearing about business relocation to southern Nevada? VisitorTalk 03:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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I would like to see the economy section include reference to the World Market Center's ambitious plans to replace North Carolina as the center of furniture wholesaling. VisitorTalk 23:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Killers not native

David Keuning, who was originally from Pella, Iowa but moved to Las Vegas in January of 2000

This is from wikipedia itself. I'm sorry if im posting this in the wrong place, I'm new at this. This post is in response to being told be another user that I would be banned for deleting the killers from the notable residents section of the vegas page. It's not vandalism to delete inaccurate posts. Posting all the killers names as native is wrong. They are not native. A native of las vegas was born in las vegas. Let me phrase it another way so that it might be clearer. If someone was...say born in, I don’t know.....Pella, Iowa, and then moved to las vegas 5 years ago I would say that they are not a native of las vegas. Perhaps on other planets or in other dimensions where people are able to exist in two places at once and therefore give birth to David Keuing in Pella, Iowa and Las Vegas simultaneously then he could be a native. But he's not. If you want to change the post you're welcome to. I shouldn't be banned for deleting innacurate information. I didn't even know that was possible.

Demographics

Under Demographics, I added the City of Las Vegas Population by year history from 1930 thru 2000. JeffreyAllen1975 05:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I fixed the table, as it was not properly closed Mattman00000 23:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Sassy Sally

She's the neon fig @ a casino, & got her name from locals. Except, which casino? Anybody know? Trekphiler 03:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Well, there was a casino called Sassy Sally's on Fremont Street. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 01:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
    • And, in the Plate of Shrimp department: two hours after posting this, I was reading Get Shorty for the first time, and in the third or so chapter, he mentions some downtown casinos, including Sassy Sally's; I'd never even heard of it before I read your question. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 19:07, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • See for a picture. Vegaswikian 19:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Criminy. I'm amazed I never noticed it before -- we often go to the Golden Nugget, it's right catty-corner from it. I think all I noticed was the huge advertising marquee. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 19:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
      • I think its an old picture. I believe its now Mermaids or something like that now. Vegaswikian 20:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

fastest growing city?

I don't believe that LV is the fastest growing city in Nevada. I think Mesquite and NLV are growing faster. Anyone know for sure? Vegaswikian 23:46, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I know for sure that Las Vegas metro is the fastest growing but not sure just about Las Vegas (city) --Texaswebscout 23:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
    • While the north west is still enjoying considerable growth, the majority of growth in the area is in the south west. For instance, Mountain's Edge (a master-planned community) is currently in early stages, but there are plenty of smaller communities such as Rhodes Ranch, that are creating some serious traffic problems. That area is growing faster than any other. 68.96.230.33 02:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Is it? Interesting. Seems to me the development in NLV is pretty intense too. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 03:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Stupid History

Will someone please edit the "stupidhistory" section to remove the vandalism? I've gone back several versions of the article and recent edits don't even seem to have noticed it.

  • I think I fixed this from an early version. Can someone check my work? Vegaswikian 01:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Minor Clean up done --Ben 02:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
      • I dont know if this will help out with this information, but according to the census data from this press release this is the data. [7]

10 Fastest-Growing Cities (100,000 or More Population) from April 1, 2000, to July 1, 2002

Rank- Percentage Change 1 Gilbert, Ariz. 22.8% 2 North Las Vegas, Nev. 17.7% 3 Henderson, Nev. 17.3% Boyohio02 01:30, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Vegas Growth and Development

For anyone who is interested in some of the many large high rise and other developments in Vegas, There are a couple of updated sites providing pretty accurate information. And they have links to their sources of information. I dont know exactly how this kind of information could be interlinked with this page because they are pretty fluid developments.. And where do you draw the line between facts about vegas' growth, and speculation. Anyone from Vegas can appreciate the rapid changes that occur there. http://www.skyscraperpage.com http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com

On a side note, Why people insist on placing garbage on the page, random sentences, and perverse language I will never know. I am glad that people have taken the initiative to maintain this page.. Props to all of you for keeping the page clean.

That's what vandels do. Vegaswikian 05:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Neighborhoods

I'm probably going to pull this section. If it goes back in, it should be after some discussion here. The current text seems to be very WP:POV and not really an encylopedic overview of the defined neighborhoods. Also including Summerlin, which already has an article, as a neighborhood does not seem correct. Vegaswikian 18:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Since there has been no discussion or objection, I'm going to delete the Neighborhoods section. Vegaswikian 22:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't think four days is enough to make that decision. I'd like to see that section return. MojaveNC 01:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
It would be nice to have such a section, but that certainly wasn't it. Unsourced facts, POV, etc. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 03:10, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Economic information

I inserted this information (a precis of the report cited) into this entry on the grounds that there should be at least _some_ statistics on the gambling revenues in the entry most people looking for such info would come to first: the Las Vegas entry. Robma 16:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

And that data is, I believe, county wide and not specific to Las Vegas. The city article is suppose to be about the city and the area information is in the Las Vegas metropolitan area article. Also it is reported by the LVCVA so including it there seems to make more sense. A reference to the data would be better in the Las Vegas metropolitan area aticle with a link to the LVCVA and the data so it only needs to be maintained in a single place. Vegaswikian 20:26, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good. I've added a sentence linking directly to all the LVCVA reports in the entry (I'd no idea so much useful LV material was held there).Robma 07:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

land size changes by 67.172.95.197

Anyone know if these are corect? Seems off for that type of a change to correct something. Vegaswikian 18:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I was wondering about that too! But the change from 293.6 to 113.4 is a km2 to sq. mi. conversion, and is notated right; the screwy part is the 182.43 km2. That makes no sense at all -- that's 70.4 sq. mi., which doesn't seem relevant to anything at all. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 19:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Oh, and just to throw another spanner in the works, the LV city website's demographics page says that the area is 131.2 sq mi. Has LV annexed another 18 sq mi recently? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 19:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
      • I believe they added the piece of land by the Kyle Canyon turn off. Vegaswikian 20:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
        • Sounds right; the Planning & Development Q4 2005 piece of PR says, "the city has annexed about 18 sq mi of land". One thing I also wonder about with those numbers -- the amount that's water. Only 0.1? Does artificial water ("The Lakes", and some of the other planed communities) count? Anyway, let's figure out these details and fix the numbers; for the moment, I wouldn't argue against reverting the km -> sq mi changes, or at least what's claiming to be the accurate km numbers. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 20:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

On a drive back from Mt. Charleston, I noticed that a sign says "Las Vegas" and the elevation very close to the mountain road. Is the Vegas city limit really that far north, in what is now empty desert? VisitorTalk 07:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Pics of the Strip?

--If most of of the Las Vegas Strip is actually outside the city limits, then is it really accurate to have pictures of it in this article? Perhaps they belong in the Las Vegas metro area article instead. --Jleon 14:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

  • You could make that point. The problem is that Las Vegas is legally one thing but something much larger to the world. My personal opinion is to keep the city article as close to city only as is reasonable and let the other articles, metro and strip, cover most of what the world considers Vegas. However, I'm not sure that there is consensus over this. Vegaswikian 18:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
I live in Las Vegas as defined legaaly, far from the strip. Still, when I think of Las Vegas, the first thing I thin of is the casions and the Strip. It should deserve a good part in this article; even the local news refers to the strip as being in Las Vegas (city). 69.69.88.85 06:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)Bellahdoll
Agreed, I've heard local radio news mentions of "Las Vegas companies" when giving updates on casino stocks. VisitorTalk 07:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The night picture of the Strip is a beautiful representation of the city's international reputation. (By the way, there should be a mention of the statistic of 30+ million visitors a year, making the city the most popular tourist destination of the U.S. I don't have the statistic's source in front of me, but it should be easy to find.) I recommend leaving that picture at the top of the sidebar, but add a caption: "Lights of resorts along the famous Las Vegas Strip - most of which is actually outside the city limits." What do people think of this wording? Also, for the Strip sign photo by Mandalay Bay, I'd like to change the caption to "Las Vegas sign at the south end of the Strip - miles south of the actual city limits." I think the sign picture should be relocated to the Economic History section, since welcoming visitors to the Strip is the foundation of the local economic history after Hoover Dam's completion. For the picture box next to the Founding section, a picture of the Springs Preserve would be very appropriate. VisitorTalk 14:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry User:VisitorTalk I really have to disagree with you and anyone else that feels the picture in the InfoBox is appropriate because in my opinion it is not and should be replaced with something that truly represents the city, Not to do so is very disrespectful to the people who live, work and breath the City of Las Vegas. Simon Bar Sinister (talk) 03:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Worst disaster in Nevada history?

The article lists the MGM files as the worst disaster in Nevada history. Perhaps this was the greatest loss of life in an event, but I believe the PEPCON explosion had a far greater impact on the area as whole. Perhaps this belongs instead under Metro area, but I think most "natives" who have lived in the area since the 80s can better recall the vast area of damage. Brianckeegan 18:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I realized that it said Nevada instead of Las Vegas. I changed the OP accordingly. MGM fire certainly could not have been the worst disaster in state history as mine collapses, native american displacement, and nuclear testing all occupy prominent places in Nevada history.Brianckeegan 18:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I lived in Vegas for both the MGM fire and Pepcon, and the fire seemed far worse to me. But that's why we need to avoid general phrases like "Worst Disaster". Maybe "Greatest Loss of Life" would be appropriate. 74.75.0.106 00:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
How about simply having a section labeled "Major disasters"? VisitorTalk 07:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Las Vegas doesn't have a sister city in Japan?? 24.253.92.226 11:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

This should be in its own section, as it doesn't relate to LV disasters. VisitorTalk 07:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Defining the Las Vegas article

I think there needs to be some consensus on what this article should contain.

Las Vegas, as I see it, has four definitions:

1) The City of Las Vegas, a municipal area in central Clark County.

2) The tourist destination Las Vegas, mostly centered around the Las Vegas Strip.

3) Las Vegas, the city, encompassing areas of unincorporated Clark County where people believe they live in Las Vegas but in fact do not live within the technical city.

4) Greater Las Vegas, inc. Henderson, North Las Vegas, and maybe even bedroom communities (Pahrump, Moapa Valley, Coyote Springs, etc.)

If we're going to take a hard line and say, look, nothing in this article should explain the way things work for the county, then we should also remove the Strip explanations and split this article into three topics, and start the Las Vegas search out at a disambiguation page. If you're going to talk about the Strip in the "Las Vegas" article, I think you have to talk about Las Vegas as an entity that includes both the city and urban unicorporated county.

Generally, this would be a no-brainer... county government gets its own article and that's that. But I think there's so much confusion, so much potential for misunderstanding as well as a base fact that 750,000 folks live in the unicorporated part of the Las Vegas Valley but still thinking they live in Las Vegas (not Henderson or Spring Valley or Paradise or anything else) that that should either be folded into this one or the article should be split in four or more.

We should include this in the article--Googleplex5 22:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, but I would do some minor rewrites. Point two, add another clause so it reads: "... the Las Vegas Strip, most of which is actually outside the city limits." Point 3: change "...where people believe they live" to "where people may say they reside, work or shop in Las Vegas but actually are located outside the city limits." VisitorTalk 23:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

ArenaBowl

Should ArenaBowl be considered a "major event"?

  • I think it should be. --Dr. Pizza 03:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Whatever stays in Vegas, Stays in Vegas/Vegas fake names

I would like if someone could put an article explaining the origin of this so called 'rule", and so as the one involving why many tourists use fake names in Vegas. This would be interesting. Falconleaf

  • Do you really think many tourists use fake names in Vegas? I guess the ones that drive here and use only cash could pull it off...kinda hard to fly or use credit cards legally with fake name. (And heaven help you if you win a decent jackpot; they card the hell out of you nowadays.) Am I just naive? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 00:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Yeah but Also where did the rule of Whatever happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas thing. Explain that the history of that thing and we might put that into the article. Plus, have you seen those commericals of tourism to Vegas? Many of the characters in those commerical use fake names, also in many of the movies I've seen that are about visitng Vegas, they characters use fake names, which give me into detail on a possible Vegas tourist culture on why people use fake names Falconleaf
      • I think you are confusing an advertisement with fact. The two are quite different. There is no such rule. But there is a well received advertising campaign that would have you think otherwise. Vegaswikian 23:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Bill Bennett can testify that it's only a slogan.74.75.0.106 00:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
      • I think FalconLeaf is referring to the practice of using a fake name when you pickup a girl or a guy. It was featured in a tourism ad for Las Vegas, but honestly, that phenomenon is hardly unique to the city. Furthermore, it's hard to remember now (damn advertising!), but I'm pretty sure the phrase "What happens in ___, stays in ____ " was around long before those commercials started and did not always refer to Las Vegas. If someone wants to discuss it in the context of Las Vegas though, it could be put under a "Tourism" or "Advertising" section. But Falcon, I don't think there's much of a "rule" that requires ppl to use fake names -- they just don't want the people with whom they have casual hookups to ever find them again, which may just be to avoid hassles and/or because they're actually cheating on a significant other in order to do it.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.249.96.252 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC).

Image in the Transportation Section

I rescaled the image to a size where it should cover up to 95% of the width of the writing section of a 4:3 screen. The images has not been uploaded by me and I do not want to promote the work (lol). In case the thumb looks too blurry, feel free and replace it or take it off the article. I just think that as long as there is a picture in the article it needs to have a good size where you are able to see what it tries to illustrate. Or else it is worthless. -- Boereck 14:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Culture?

There's a section on the city called "Culture", when it's just about Sport. Even aside from very personal opinions about the wide gulf between Culture and Sport, why isn't this section just called "Sport"? iPhil 00:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I think because over time, there have been edits to remove the other items or the pointers to the information from the article. Given the length of the entire article. I think moving most of the Sports text to Sports in Las Vegas would be justified. Also note that a lot of the culture in the City lacks articles. Remember that much of the culture is in the areas around the city and not in the city proper. Vegaswikian 00:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I like how you discussed this with everyone before you went ahead and just arbitrarily moved it, Wikian. Thanks for asking for input. --64.221.232.240 18:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, given Category:Sports in the United States by city exists this seems like a reasonable action. Also Category:Sports in Las Vegas existed since March of this year without a main article so creating Sports in Las Vegas provided the missing main article for that category. If this is really a bad thing to have done, the change cange be undone. But given the fact that this happened a few days ago and no one has indicated it was wrong, one might assume that this was the right approach. Vegaswikian 21:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Casino history

I am considering starting a Las Vegas casino history article. Right now I belive there is more then enought information scattered around to put together a nice article. The scope would be all of Clark County. I'll probably do this soon unless someone points out a good reason not to do this. Filling in this type of history could uncover other articles that need writing. Vegaswikian 18:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see that article and believe it would be interesting. If there is not already an article about Las Vegas Casinos in general, I'd recommend creating such an article and having a history section within it. VisitorTalk 23:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced facts

Such a major and huge article needs some serious referencing (close to 20-30 of them) rather than a mere 6 Steroid Expert 06:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Spanish Pronouciation?

In certain occasions, I heard on US radio and TV that the newscasters pronounce Los Vegas, like in Los Angeles. I have heard it so many times that I can no longer refrain from asking what is going on. Since I don't know Spanish, I am guessing two possible explanations. 1. The newscasters are just as ignorant about Spanish as I am and simply mispronouce it repeatedly. 2. Los and Las are pronounced the same way in Spanish, though they sound different when read as English. I am thinking in the same way as the French Le vs. Les, they spelled differently but they are pronounced the same way. Is Spanish done the same way as French? Curious mind needs to know. Thanks in advance. Kowloonese 10:15, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

No, 'los' and 'las' are pronunciated as they are. The TV newscasters are making a mistake in such a way that you are right with your #1 hipotesis. I'm Mexican living in Mexico City so i'm 100% sure. --189.135.69.148 02:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada.

This proposal would allow for this article to be located at Las Vegas instead of Las Vegas, Nevada, bringing articles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 16:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Don't jump to conclusions. A new convention might allow Las Vegas to redirect to Las Vegas Strip or Las Vegas metropolitan area as primary or most common usage. Vegaswikian 00:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
That has nothing to do with this proposal. For cities with a name that is unique and where the name of the city clearly means that city above all other uses of the word, it would allow that city to use its name as the title for the article. Currently, Las Vegas redirects to Las Vegas, Nevada, which means that Wikipedians have already decided that the city of Las Vegas in Nevada is the most important use of the word Las Vegas. If you disagree with the way the redirect currently functions, then you should take it to Talk:Las Vegas and propose that Las Vegas redirect to something else.--DaveOinSF 02:18, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Legal age

Is it true that the legal age in Vegas is 16? Why sigh, cutie pie? 21:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Legal for what? Gambling age is 21, IIRC. Voting age would probably be 18. -Will Beback 08:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Legal to live on your own. I live in California, and my friend (she lives in Vegas) said that you could run away and live in Vegas - legally - when you're 16. Is it true? Why sigh, cutie pie? 00:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
That's probably a Nevada state law. A search of the code at [8] reveals that the age of majority is 18. Like other states, minors may become emancipated:
  • NRS 129.080 Minor may petition juvenile court for decree of emancipation; reference to master. Any minor who is at least 16 years of age, who is married or living apart from his parents or legal guardian, and who is a resident of the county, may petition the juvenile court of that county for a decree of emancipation. The district court may refer the petition to a master appointed
I don't see where it says anything else about living apart. Non-emancipated minors who run away may be returned to their parents. I suggest consulting a better source than a Wikipedia talk page. -Will Beback 00:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Technology companies

How is Zappos a technology company? It's a shoe store. -THB 04:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

This article is in desperate need of pictures of Las Vegas at night. I believe that only daylight pictures will not suffice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.156.165.57 (talk) 03:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

Agreed, especially for the Strip and Fremont St. VisitorTalk 23:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection Status Request

I'm troubled by the amount of editing this page undergoes due to WUI (Wiki-ing Under the Influence) and vandalism. Sadly I don't know where else to lodge a plea for protecting this article. I find this doubly necessary when this article is a candidate for Release. Help me out? MrWarMage 16:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

This article does not appear to have experienced an unusual amount of vandalism. Most of the recent bad edits appear to have come from one IP, which can be blocked if necessary. I'm not sure what is meant by "Release". -Will Beback · † · 00:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
In fact, I see the recent IP vanadal has been blocked for six months.[9]. -Will Beback · † · 00:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
By release I mean that it's been chosen to go into a version. On the other side, what then denotes "unusual" vandalism? I'm a bit unsuccessful searching out those criteria, and I don't want to be crying wolf. MrWarMage 15:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Las Vegas redirect

Right now, Las Vegas redirects to Las Vegas, Nevada. However if you look at the links to Las Vegas, they are all over the board with the majority not being about the city. While difficult to judge, I'd say the biggest group point to strip hotels or activities. I'd like to discuss changing where the redirect goes. The other options appear to be Las Vegas metropolitan area, Las Vegas Strip and Clark County, Nevada. I'm leaning towards Las Vegas metropolitan area since that seems to cover both the city and the area for most of the inbound links. Several discussion over naming conventions seem to support that Vegas is rather different and that pointing to the city might not be the best choice since Vegas is not used to describe the city in many uses. Vegaswikian 20:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Since there were no objections raised, I'm going to change the redirect to Las Vegas metropolitan area. Thanks. Vegaswikian 00:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Just spotted this discussion. Anyway, I concur with your decision. --Coolcaesar 08:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I disagree strongly, it confused me when I first saw it so I'm guessing it confused a lot of other people too. I'd change it back if there weren't a concurrence, but now there's a challenge, so let's discuss. --Golbez 22:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
If you look at the inbound links, most of them are not about the city. They are about the strip or hotels not in the city. To much of the world, Vegas is a generic area that is southern Nevada. They don't relate it as being the same as the city. Or they consider the city to be all of southern Nevada. Vegaswikian 01:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Then maybe the links should be changed. We tend to go by the 'policy of least surprise' here, and if I put in "Chicago" and was redirected to "Chicagoland," I'd be pretty surprised, just as I was in this case. --Golbez 08:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, the links also need to be changed to point to the correct article. Try fixing a few and you will see that most of them are not about the city. So by pointing to the city article by default, we are sending the vast majority of readers to the wrong article. That too is a surprise. I update a few whenever I have the time. Vegaswikian 08:57, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Articles can link to the correct article. Users, however, don't know this, so when they TYPE IN "Las Vegas", they will be sent to what I would say is the wrong article. We need to consider them more than redirects used in articles, as those can be fixed. I suggest we change the redirect now and fix the articles later. --Golbez 12:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
When someone enters Las Vegas, they are mostly not interested in the city. They want the Las Vegas Strip or the area around it. So the link should be to one of those two. This is clearly supported by looking at the current links. They are simply not for the city but for the metro area or the strip. Vegaswikian 21:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
When someone enters New York City, do they mean the city, or do they mean Manhattan, which is what the Post Office calls New York? Or should we not make that decision for them, and just go with the standard used for 30,000+ other cities and towns? I'm a little shocked you suggested "Las Vegas" should redirect to "Las Vegas Strip" before redirecting to "Las Vegas, Nevada" - that would indeed be exactly akin to redirecting "New York City" to "Manhattan". --Golbez 23:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Look at the articles that redirect there. You will see that most are not about the city, so the city is just wrong. The Strip or the metropolitan area is what most of the links are for and not the city. Vegaswikian 23:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Again, this isn't about articles. Articles can be changed. This is about the user. When i typed "Las Vegas," I expected, like 30,000 other cities, to be taken to the article about the city. --Golbez 23:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Just saw what happened since my last look at this talk page. Both of you have good arguments, so I don't really know which side I'm on at this point. Can another editor please add their two bits? --Coolcaesar 05:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Vegaswikian, did you even think about the redirect situation? I spend a lot of time fixing links to cities, and I know I have fixed several articles in the past that were talking about the city but just linked to "Las Vegas" instead of "Las Vegas, Nevada". I can't speak for others, but I would be looking for the city if I typed in Las Vegas. TJ Spyke 14:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
So would I, and I'm going to be bold. If others really disagree, then feel free to revert and I'll take it to RfD. --Golbez 09:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I thought this was over so I did not keep the paper. But about two weeks ago, the Review-Journal had a chart showing that Las Vegas had the biggest gaming market compared to to other places like Atlantic City and Indian Casinos. While the headline screamed that Las Vegas was the largest, the caption for the largest market was The Strip. So again, another case where assuming that Las Vegas means the city is wrong. Maybe in this case the best place for the redirect is to the dab page and have the editors cleanup the mess that is out there, but redirecting to the wrong place the vast majority of the time is simply against the guidelines. Vegaswikian 19:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

It should go to Las Vegas, the city. The links that go to the strip are all wrong, and should go to the city. Just because people confusedly think Vegas is a casino repository called the Strip, doesn't mean we have to report that non-truth. 69.69.88.85 07:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC) Bellahdoll

  • So you are suggesting that we ignore the guidance to avoid surprises on redirects and send them to the wrong place? Vegaswikian 06:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I am suggesting what I said, not to break the rules for the fun of it. You seemed to imply I was just trying to be bothersome. I am offended by that. I was greatly surprised that Las Vegas does not go to the city itself. That is a bigger shock than not landing in the strip or metropolitan area, which are NOT entirely contained in the city Las Vegas, and therefore are incorrectly redirected by Las Vegas. If they expect to be somewhere else, it is not our fault they asked for the wrong place. If 99 in 100 people think 1 + 1 is 3, that does not make it correct. Similarly, just because they think the strip or metropolitan area are entirely in Las Vegas doesn't make it entirely so. We should not cater to people who have been misinformed (or misassumed) just because they are numerous. The world once believed Earth was flat, but it wasn't true. People's beliefs are often wrong, or at least misguided. Trust me, many people are wrong. Someone asked a friend I know who works in a casino what city she commutes to her. Many casion guests think no one actually lives here. Popular belief doesn't alter the facts, and recording the facts is an encyclopedia's job, not the nonsensical thoughts of people with no real knowledge of the subject. 69.69.88.85 07:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC) Bellahdoll

Can those feeling warm about this topic please review my suggestion of a disambiguation page? VisitorTalk 07:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Las Vegas is a dab page. Vegaswikian 08:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Needs watching

Minor vandalism stayed in place for 16 minutes. I only noticed it because I was looking at recent changes and since I live in Las Vegas, the edit caught my eye. --Frank Lofaro Jr. 20:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Young Electric Sign Company

Just a note that the article on Young Electric Sign Company was deleted and I have asked for a deletion review. If anyone wishes to comment on this, the discussion is at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 March 5. Vegaswikian 23:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Marriage

I didn't find this information in the article, and as I'm not from Vegas (not even USA), I'd like to know, is it true that when you marry in Las Vegas you're only married there? --Midasminus 12:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

  • No. And I imagine it costs more to get unmarried than it does to get married in Vegas... --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 13:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, thank you. I was a little confused since some friends of mine told me so. --Midasminus 15:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

In the USA, marriage laws are a matter for each individual state to decide. However, states recognize marriages that were conducted in other states. Whether another nation would officially recognize a marriage from Nevada, or any U.S. state, is up to the laws of that country. Here is some information about marriage in Vegas: http://www.lasvegasnevada.gov/Visitor/149.htm VisitorTalk 23:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Organized Crime, Prostitution & Corruption

Las Vegas is infamous for organized crime. Why no mention? Here is an example from NPR of an article linking the mob to Las Vegas: Hidden Treasures: A Museum for the Mob DavidAmis 15:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Not only is the history of the mob in Vegas missing, but so is any discussion of the largest industry in Vegas -- prostitution and strip clubs. There is one mention of prostitution in the article and it only mentions that it is illegal in Vegas. However, anyone who visits Vegas knows that advertisements for escorts and strip clubs are everywhere. Any cab driver can get you a hooker within 20 minutes. The famous "What Happens in Vegas Stays in Vegas" advertising campaign is a sly wink about the prostitution industry. There also really should be some mention of the fact that 4 of the 7 Clark County Supervisors are under indictment for corruption -- and that political corruption is rampant and extremely well-documented in all levels of local government. These Vegas articles read like press releases from the Chamber of Commerce. Let's try to get a little balance in here.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.141.69 (talk)
OK, so how are escorts and strip clubs in Vegas different then NYC in this regard? As to the corruption, yes, those articles need to be added. Fell free to add articles on the member of the Clark County commission. Remember to read WP:BIO and associated pages about living people. Also, as far as I know, none of the County Commissioners are under indictment for corruption. Vegaswikian 02:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
And we'll need some reliable sources regarding the "largest industry"; that may have been the case a few decades ago, but it's hard to see it as such now, with the megaresorts. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 02:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Just check with the Sin City Chamber of Commerce. I'd love to get an article on them written. Vegaswikian 03:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
The book "The Money and the Power" may be a suitable reference to cite if you'd like to include this material, David. VisitorTalk 07:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

township maps

Does anyone know of a good source for a map of the various township boundaries?

Vegaswikian 20:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Major Events

The mention of the nuclear testing should give the distance from the city to the tests, since they weren't actually done inside the City Limits (or the Strip or metro area for that matter). Would also like to see a mileage figure to Hoover Dam in this section's mention of it. VisitorTalk 14:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Cityscape

In addition to the panorama, there should be a picture of the typical nearly new desert suburban houses where most of the population actually lives, such as this one http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/rfs/403832943.html - of course, should use a picture that will not go away. The economy section really should mention and link to the Wikipedia article on Summerlin and mention its importance not just to Vegas, but also to national trends in suburban real estate development. VisitorTalk 14:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Education

Although UNLV is outside the city limits, it's just off the south end of the Strip in the metro area. The article should clarify this geography. Simply saying it's miles outside of the city limits could lead people to imagine a drive out of town and through the open desert to get to the university, which of course wouldn't be accurate. VisitorTalk 14:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Transportation

How does 10% ridership make the bus system "popular?" This seems like editorializing, compared to mass transit usage rates at other major cities.

The freeway widening projects and ongoing road construction, all to serve the growing population, would be worth mentioning in this section.

Do the Strip resorts make the city have more limo services than most? VisitorTalk 14:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

"center of gambling" claim in the lead

I suspect it's still true that Vegas is the center of gambling for the U.S. However, I think the most recent economic statistics show that Macau has overtaken Vegas in terms of total annual gambling revenue. Calling Vegas "the center of gambling in the United States, and the so-called 'Entertainment Capital of the World'" is probably still accurate- since Macau's visitors don't stay as long and aren't as interested in entertainment, on average, as Vegas visitors. This is from articles I've seen in the LV Sun and other major news media; I can look up citations if needed. VisitorTalk 03:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


Tourism - not just casinos

I think there should be a small mention of the Atomic Testing Museum which is based in LV? After all LV is important to the development of the A bomb, and the nuclear response emergency teams. Is it okay to add this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.120.79.169 (talk) 21:52, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

  • The Atomic Testing Museum has an article that is still a stub. Since many of the museums are located outside of the city, they are listed in the Las Vegas metropolitan area article. Adding a brief mention should be OK if you can find a good spot, or just link to the list in other article. Vegaswikian 22:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Water situation

I've heard Las Vegas imports most of its water, but the article barely mentions water at all. Are there any movements to get the casinos to cut back on water usage? What is the stability of the local water table, and what happened to the artesian wells? I'm just surprised to not see this covered. --NormalAsylum (t) 18:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

  • The water is not imported, most of it comes from Lake Mead. Casinos are small users when you look at the overall picture. The water table is about where it was many years ago when they stopped most pumping. Right now, they recharge in low use periods and pump the added water back out in times of high usage. The artisan wells dried up long ago. Since this is not a city issue, any coverage should be in Las Vegas Springs Preserve and Las Vegas metropolitan area. Vegaswikian 00:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Zip codes

I'm going to remove these at some point since the information is not correct. For example, 89147 is not in the city. Unless someone can correctly source this and limit these to the city, the information should be deleted as incorrect. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Neighborhoods???

Do people actualy live in las vegas, because this article makes it seem as if its ONLY a tourist destination and party city....