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[edit] Needs disamb. page

I added a link at the top to LV, New Mexico. "Las Vegas" should certainly start here, but I think we could use a "for other uses see Las Vegas Disambiguation" tag and page...Smarkflea (talk) 02:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

But "Las Vegas" doesn't redirect here - there is a separate Las Vegas page for disambiguation between the city, the Strip and the metropolitan area. There is also a Las Vegas (disambiguation), so I don't think that so many dab links are needed at the top of this page. Cheers, Rai-me 14:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was No consensus to move page, per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 19:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Las Vegas is too big and too well known to be named Las Vegas, Nevada. Chicago isn't named Chicago, Illinois, Paris isn't named Paris, France, why should Las Vegas be named any differently? Just use Las Vegas (disambiguation) for a list of all the other places with the same name. 199.125.109.135 (talk) 07:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Strong Oppose per all of the previous like nominations. The article conforms with the US naming conventions. In addition, I believe that it has been shown that most uses of Las Vegas in articles are not for the city but rather for the Las Vegas Strip and the Las Vegas metropolitan area. So if you want to make this move, change the naming convention first. Or wait for Oscar to combine the city and county. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose This same move request just failed a few months ago and nothing has changed since. My reasons haven't changed either. TJ Spyke 08:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all of the previous nominations of this and other US cities. — AjaxSmack 04:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Srtong Oppose, although this one is stronger than most of the US city naming proposals, because (as Vegaswikian notes above) the place may be the most common usage, but not the city. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Support US naming conventions? What on earth are you talking about? Small cities that no one has ever heard of need to be qualified with their state added, but not ones that everyone knows where they are, like Honolulu, Juneau, San Diego, Los Angeles, Dallas and Seattle, just to name a few, all of which are silly re-directs to the city article, when they should be the name of the article. Vancouver, Paris, New Delhi, Amsterdam all get their own article, without a redirect, why should US cities be any different? 199.125.109.54 (talk) 18:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Vegaswikian. feydey (talk) 21:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Indifference and note - you will never get this passed without first getting everyone to agree to a move of ALL cities in AP Stylebook. You'll have to start another proposal for a set of moves of the cities you mention. What you're doing here is futile.--Loodog (talk) 00:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] On going IP vandal edits

Since we have been reverting various IP address vandals on a regular basis, I protected the article for 90 days from edits by anonymous and new editors. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Needs crime statistics section.

I Don't know if the tourism board for Las Vegas is editing this page or what, but this is the only major city on wikipedia I have seen without crime statistics. Las Vegas is well known lately for its violent crime rate rising steadily.Guipo (talk) 11:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually you need to do your research if the last information I saw is to be believed. For most major crimes, the rates are actually dropping and in some case, there are very significant drops. Check the rates for auto theft for one example. If you are using the FBI stats, I believe some of what they publish are 2 or 3 years old. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gaming vs. Gambling

The economy section previously listed "tourism, gaming, and conventions" as primary drivers of the Las Vegas economy. I have changed "gaming" to "gambling" because "gaming" is a euphemism for the word "gambling". "Gaming" is vague, as it could refer to video games, or other types of games such as lawn games or board games that aren't related. Also, the title of the article linked is even called "gambling", which demonstrates the word "gaming" as misleading and confusing.

I have made this change twice, each time with a full explanation as to why the change makes sense. However, user Vegaswikian has reverted both changes without bothering to refute my provided reasons or list any him or herself. Please spend a few seconds providing justification for the word "gaming" so that we may have a dialog. Thesacrificebunt (talk) 21:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

  • How about that it's the term consistently used by the industry and by the state of Nevada? Do you really think anyone thinks the references are about board games or Mario Brothers? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 00:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I agree with you, this is an encyclopedia and we should be calling a spade a spade. It should certainly be gambling rather than whatever the state of Nevada prefers to refer to it as. We should not be using the state of Nevada as a benchmark for language, certainly not when they are likely referring to it incorrectly for reasons of their own. Mfield (talk) 03:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
    • It is much more then Nevada. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Care to explain? "Gaming" is a euphemism that redirects emphasis and meaning. How many states without a large aspect of their identity or industry tied to gambling use the word "gaming"? California, for instance, overwhelmingly prefers the term "gambling" over "gaming" in legislation. Is there any other reason to prefer the more vague and ambiguous terminology compared to the more specific and descriptive? Do we use "escort service" for prostitution? [1] Thesacrificebunt (talk) 07:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
        • Actually we use "escort service" and prostitution since they are two related activities. The first may include the second but it does not have to. Two terms, two different meanings. Also the position you are taking is that "Gaming" is a euphemism. Given it's widespread use in financial publications and legislation, that seems a bit presumptive and POV. Gaming is an industry, and a business that provides a service. Using that service is called gambling or wagering or betting or may other names. Simply put gambling is not a correct term to define the industry. Vegaswikian (talk) 08:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)