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Contents 1 Missing American Representatives 2 WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive 3 More on missing reps 4 Lists of United States politicians 5 Social Work Edit 6 Using a bot to change {{Bioguide}} to {{CongBio}} 7 Smile 8 Reuben Davis (representative) 9 Clarke Lewis 10 John Bancker Aycrigg 11 Hawaii 12 The RFC Question 13 George Cookman Sturgiss 14 Canary Islands in WikiProject Africa 15 WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5 16 WikiProject Biography newsletter 17 proposal 18 Hi!

[edit] Missing American Representatives

I have recently been working on completing the lists of missing representatives. I've noticed in the history that you've been active in this section of the project. I was wondering if there was any specific state you would like to see a complete list on (I'm just going in alphabetical order right now)? I was also looking for suggestions on how to estimate a start value once I get the whole list finished. I hope you can help, and great job on all the articles you've created! --Psychless ^{Type words!} 18:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Great! I hope you enjoy this. I have no starting suggestions. I have been all over although I am in Kentucky right now. Just be careful with all the variants on the reps names. They are often listed in different ways including with or without their middle initils, with or without their midle names, etc. Check out the variants, make sure an article does not exist already, and then go back and change other versions of the name to the one you created. Good luck! LarryQ 01:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Third try's a charm! What I actually meant was I need help on approximating a initial value of representatives that need articles. This value would go in the table here. Many have been completed so it's going to be very confusing. Sorry for the misunderstanding. --Psychless ^{Type words!} 22:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Polbot is tearing through the missing rather fast right now in missing reps. Any estimate I give you will be way off. There probably will be very few left soon. LarryQ 14:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive

In regard to my previous comment, I'm not sure your reply helped me. I still need help on approximating a starting value. That project is, however, at the bottom of my to-do list, at least for right now. Hope you'll help on the assessment drive! --Psychless ^{Type words!} 02:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry I misunderstood your question. I have not assessed a lot of articles but in my experience most new Congressional bios are based directly on public domain federal government sources. They are not well developed and most are stubs. LarryQ 14:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More on missing reps

Hello, I'm polbot's creator. Thanks for all the articles on missing reps you've created. It's my opinion that handmade articles will always be superior to botmade ones, but the backlog was out of hand. :-) I wanted to point you to Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/American politicians/Representatives#Polbot can't parse these, to see if you're interested. There will probably be more added to this list when I find more that are problems. All the best, – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 13:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lists of United States politicians

Please see my request at Category talk:Lists of United States politicians. I think we can use some of the data from User talk:Valadius's work at List of former United States Representatives.—Markles 20:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Social Work Edit

I noticed your recent edit to Social Work. If you have the interest and motivation, I would like to invite you to join the Social Work WikiProject. Ursasapien (talk) 00:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Using a bot to change {{Bioguide}} to {{CongBio}}

Greetings. I would like to use User:Polbot (my bot) to change {{Bioguide}} to {{CongBio}}. This use hasn't yet been approved, and it seems to have hit a snag in the approval process. If you could comment at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Polbot 4 about the usefulness or non-usefulness of such a bot, I'd really appreciate it. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 12:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smile

[edit] Reuben Davis (representative)

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This article is based entirely on public domain text from http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=D000127. I did not need permission to copy a public domain source and it is not a copyright infringment. Why was this article flagged by the bot? LarryQ 00:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clarke Lewis

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Yet another false hit by CorenSearchBot...LarryQ 03:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Bancker Aycrigg

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Yet another false hit by the inept CorenSearchBot. LarryQ 15:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Larry, if you take info from a public-domain source, you should label it as having come from a public-domain source. DS 16:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I will try to be more positive with this bot. However, even labelling an article as PD will not stop it. The PD Congressional Guide has been copied all over the Web and the bot is going to have false hits when I use it. I will just deal with it. No big deal. No more inept comments... LarryQ 03:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Granted, the bot gets false positives. But even so - even if the bot had never been written - you should still label such articles as having been based on information taken from PD sources. (Plus, I'm sure the bot can be adjusted to take PD statements into account.) DS 15:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I just noticed your article on John Law (representative) pop up on the Newpages list, and you have indeed specified that the information is taken from a public-domain source. Good job; keep at it. DS 23:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaii

Aloha, LarryQ -- saw your note bowing out of the Legal Status of Hawaii article a couple of weeks ago, and given the contentious atmosphere, who could blame you? But I was glad to see that you made some new edits and hope you weren't completely scared off. I've tried to play a more mediating role there since I don't really have a dog in that particular fight (that's become a bad metaphor these days, unfortunately), and so your continued help is welcome and appreciated. Btw, for what it's worth, the atmosphere seems to have become noticably less tense on the article lately. Cheers, Arjuna 09:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I am not going to try to get between the two antagonists (they each have POV axes to grind) but I hope I can pop in and add some useful contributions from time-to-time. I just wrote a Legal status of Texas article which is based on the layout of the Legal status of Hawaii article. If you have any feedback on that article, please let me know. LarryQ 20:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Ouch! L, I'm sorry if you were offended, but I hope you will re-read what LarryQ wrote and see if you might have mis-interpreted what he said. I do find myself betwixt and between here. On the one hand, I could not agree more that what took place in 1893 was completely illegal, sleazy, and wrong in just about every way I can think of. On the other hand, the system of international law that now exists (well, kinda, in theory -- an ineffective U.N./ICJ system that allows itself to be run roughshod over by G.W. Bush notwithstanding) wasn't around then, so for lack of a better way to put it, it was legal to steal stuff back then. In other words, 1. the recognition of the Provisional Government by other international actors and 2. the annexation of Hawaii by the U.S. made the de facto into de jure, for all intents and purposes. There simply was not a context in which to call that into question, other than a direct military challenge to the U.S. Do I approve of that? No. What I am saying is that I recognize that like it or not it's a reality, and that the lack of past or current national or international legal contexts for addressing the very legitimate historical injustice that was done is a real problem for asserting that the United States Government's sovereignty over Hawaii lacks any legal basis. It does have a legal basis, like it or not. International recognition of U.S. sovereignty is approval that carries legal weight. Maybe it shouldn't, but it does. This is what I meant in referring to "is" versus "ought". One can make a very persuasive moral case for why this should be questioned, but a moral case is not a legal one until and unless there is a venue for doing so. Look, I'm on your side (I'm speaking to L) in terms of setting the historical record straight in the other articles, and also in presenting the case why the lack of said legal context to address those wrongs is a legitimate POV and that should be one of the main points of this "Legal Status" article. I'm trying to help, honestly. But at the same time, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a soapbox or venue for espousing a political viewpoint, however justified it may be. (Note that my objection to JK's POV edits is based on that same thing, that he's trying to use Wikipedia as a soapbox.) I've also always been upfront with you and everyone else that despite the fact that I see the overthrow as having been the very definition of illegal, the passage of time and all the other factors have resulted in its being a "settled issue" (for now at least). In short, it's a fait accompli. If you're still offended by this, then I'm sorry about that but I have to call it as I see it. To Larry Q, sorry that you're feeling bitten: it's obviously something that a lot of people feel very passionate about, but I understand what you are saying and I think your perspective is well-taken but obviously misinterpreted. Your contributions are valuable and I hope you don't give up in frustration. (I didn't really want to get drawn into this whole issue either, and prefer to stick to the historical articles, but I'm trying to mediate between two radically opposing views (L v. JK) because well, someone's got to.) L, what we are saying (I think -- not trying to speak for LQ) is simply that the perspective you represent should absolutely be presented, but in accordance with Wikipedia policies, i.e. within the context of the international and domestic majority view. I promise you that I will advocate that your view is represented fairly. But all of this is also why the other articles are so important in presenting the facts of what happened fairly so people can draw their own conclusions, and perhaps, create a new context into which those grievances can be heard and addressed. I hope this makes sense, and that you don't see me as an enemy (that goes for both of you but mainly L. If you think I'm being unreasonable, just wait until JK pipes in [no offense JK]). Finally, pardon the ramble, but it's been a long week and I'm tired. I'm going to crosspost this on both your talk pages. Aloha, Arjuna 05:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for note Arjuna808. I appreciate your efforts. I agree with, "what we are saying (I think -- not trying to speak for LQ) is simply that the perspective you represent should absolutely be presented, but in accordance with Wikipedia policies, i.e. within the context of the international and domestic majority view. I promise you that I will advocate that your view is represented fairly." I think the question actually is whether Wikipedia's rules should be altered to reflect views which have been disenfranchised by history and a biased international legal system. As the rules are now, I think I am correct. However, maybe it is time to move towards a reconsideration of these rules? LarryQ 16:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The RFC Question

Aloha Larry -- Yeah, the RFC thing is kind of a mess...(I told you not to go there!) I don't want to fight about it at all, but if equality in representation is not acceptable to you, even with good solid contextualization, I guess I will have to. By the way, I was not even thinking of you when I was talking about having to "kick butt" if necessary, but if you stand in the way of fair representation, I may not have much of a choice. Sorry. I do not mean to hurt you in any way, but out of necessity, I am a pitt bull when it comes to ensuring good information and balanced representation. Although I am a peace person by nature, training and profession, when I'm forced to fight, I do fight really really hard. I have to.

Now as for the posted question: One major problem with the original question was that it framed the question in terms of "ownership", which is not the subject of the page and is misleading, as well as inappropriately black-and-white. The page is not entitled "The Ownership of Hawai'i" which would be a completely different topic. It also did not clue people in that this is a native issue, which people should know before commenting, even if you do not feel this is relevant (they may not feel that it is relevant either, but that should be their informed choice). As far as the "fringe" thing, even if you didn't bring it up you opened the way for poorly informed commentary that says just that, which other editors have pushed strongly in the past. And you were certainly trying to limit the equal representation of viewpoints by even raising the "undue weight" question after I had just made a clear proposal for good context (including fair population estimates) and balanced representation. You could have proposed the wording of the question on the talk page first, but you did not, and therefore I had to make changes, as it was misleading. Make sense?

Bottom line is that I do not want to fight, but I will not under any circumstances let go if it means inequality. If you want to communicate and try to work that out, I am very open to that. Aloha, --Laualoha 19:57, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. I have no doubt you are good and peaceful person as am I. I have learned a lot from the RfC and do not regret it. There are mistakes that I have made which will not be repeated. You can close the comments on this when no futher productive commentary is progressing on the RfC.

The UNDUE issue is not settled. However, for the near future, I will not reopen it. I have no doubt others will. Please show some humility and do not threaten to "kick butt" when people raise this issue. There are valid reasons why people are raising this issue and they will continue to do so.

I think you and I agree on a lot such as the US misbehaved in 1893. And that your view is not fringe. Hawaii is not the focus of my editing at Wikipedia (Congress is!) but I feel obligated now to monitor this page. I am also going to work on some more articles dealing with American separatist views. Their views are not well represented here and some of them (like Alaska) are not fringe.

I am not Hawaiian and have never been to Hawaii but Aloha (hello and good bye) to you as well. LarryQ 02:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] George Cookman Sturgiss

I created George C. Sturgiss and George Sturgiss as redirects to George Cookman Sturgiss.—Markles 10:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Great, thanks. LarryQ 17:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canary Islands in WikiProject Africa

I find you have added a selection of locations around the Canary Islands to Project Africa and I was wondering why. The Canary Islands are Spanish sovereign territory, have been for the last six Centuries, and are part of Europe. Please advise if there is any reason why I should not remove the Project Africa tags from Canary Island articles. Yours, Dennywuh 13:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

The Canary Islands are indeed Spanish Soveriegn territory. However, they are geographically a part of Africa. This is similar to how Hawaii is sovereign American territory but Hawaii is not part of North America. If political structure trumps physical geography, then by all means remove the tags. I am not that invested in this issue. Thanks, LarryQ 02:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5

The Biography WikiProject Newsletter Volume IV, no. 4 - September 2007
Project News The three-month long Summer Assessment Drive, organized by Psychless, was a huge success! It ran from June 1 – September 1, and reduced the backlog of unassessed articles from 113,385 to 56,237. In all, over 100,000 articles were assessed. Over 60 people contributed in some way. A barnstar has been created for exceptional work on Wikipedia biographies and for assisting the project. The Biography Barnstar is listed with the other WikiProject awards and can be awarded easily with a template. See the template page for more details. Member News Congratulations to the editors who worked on the newest featured biographies: Augustus; William Shakespeare; Adriaen van der Donck; Alfred Russel Wallace; Alison Krauss; Anne Frank; Anne of Denmark; Asser; Bart King; Bill O'Reilly; Bobby Robson; Bradley Joseph; CM Punk; Ceawlin of Wessex; Colley Cibber; Cædwalla of Wessex; Dominik Hašek; Elizabeth Needham; Frank Macfarlane Burnet; Georg Cantor; Gregory of Nazianzus; Gunnhild Mother of Kings; Gwen Stefani; Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery; Harriet Arbuthnot; Harry S. Truman; Henry, Bishop of Uppsala; Héctor Lavoe; Ine of Wessex; Ion Heliade Rădulescu; Jack Sheppard; Jackie Chan; Jay Chou; John Martin Scripps; John Mayer; Joseph Francis Shea; Joshua A. Norton; Kate Bush; Kazi Nazrul Islam; Kevin Pietersen; Martin Brodeur; Mary Martha Sherwood; Mary of Teck; Maximus the Confessor; Miranda Otto; Muhammad Ali Jinnah; P. K. van der Byl; Penda of Mercia; Pham Ngoc Thao; Rabindranath Tagore; Ramón Emeterio Betances; Red Barn Murder; Richard Hakluyt; Richard Hawes; Robert Garran; Roman Vishniac; Ronald Niel Stuart; Ronald Reagan; Roy Welensky; Rudolph Cartier; Samuel Adams; Samuel Beckett; Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough; Sarah Trimmer; Sargon of Akkad; Shen Kuo; Sophie Blanchard; Stereolab; Sydney Newman; Sylvanus Morley; Tim Duncan; Timeline of Mary Wollstonecraft; Uncle Tupelo; Waisale Serevi; Wallis, Duchess of Windsor; Walter Model; William Bruce; William Goebel; Yagan; Zhou Tong; Æthelbald of Mercia; Æthelbald of Mercia New Members Congratulations to our 225 new members	From the Editors The newsletter is back! Many things have gone on during the past few months, but many things have not. While the assessment drive helped revitalize the assessment department of the project, many other departments have received no attention. Most notably: peer review and our "workgroups". A day long IRC meeting has been planned for October 13th, with the major focus being which areas of the project are "dead", what should our goals be as a project, and how to "revive" the dead areas of our project. Contribute to the discussion on the the new channel (see below) We decided to deliver this newsletter to all project members this month but only those with their names down here will get it delivered in the future. This is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue. Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned or post news on the next issue's talk page New irc channel Lastly, a new WikiProject Biography channel has been set up on the freenode network: #wikipedia-en-bio Our thanks to Phoenix 15 for setting it up. Contributors to this Issue Psychless (talk · contribs) Phoenix 15 (talk · contribs)
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[edit] WikiProject Biography newsletter

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[edit] proposal

Do you have any opinion about my proposal?--Appraiser (talk) 22:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!

Hi Larry! I'll definitely look at the articles, though I don't have much knowledge in those areas. Message me if you're ever coming this way again! Aloha!--Laualoha 03:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)