User talk:Lar/Archive 22

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This is an archive of User talk:Lar from about 1 January 2007 through about 15 January 2007. (minus South Tyrol). Please do not comment here, use my current talk page for that, thanks. It is part of a series of archives, see the box at right for the list and to navigate to others.

Talk Page Archives My 2006 archived talk Archive 1 start through about 22 Jan 2006 Archive 2 22 Jan 2006 through 1 Mar 2006 Archive 3 1 Mar 2006 through 1 Apr 2006 Archive 4 1 Apr 2006 through 15 Apr 2006 Archive 5 15 Apr 2006 through 1 May 2006 Archive 6 1 May 2006 through 15 May 2006 Archive 7 15 May 2006 through 1 June 2006 Archive 8 1 June 2006 through 15 June 2006 Archive 9 15 June 2006 through 1 July 2006 Archive 10 1 July 2006 through 15 July 2006 Archive 11 15 July 2006 through 1 August 2006 Archive 12 1 August 2006 through 15 August 2006 Archive 13 15 August 2006 through 1 September 2006 Archive 14 1 September 2006 through 15 September 2006 Archive 15 15 September 2006 through 1 October 2006 Archive 16 1 October 2006 through 15 October 2006 Archive 17 15 October 2006 through 1 November 2006 Archive 18 1 November 2006 through 15 November 2006 Archive 19 15 November 2006 through 1 December 2006 Archive 20 1 December 2006 through 15 December 2006 Archive 21 15 December 2006 through 1 January 2007 My 2007 archived talk Archive 22 1 January 2007 through 15 January 2007 Archive 23 15 January 2007 through 1 February 2007 Archive 24 1 February 2007 through 15 February 2007 Archive 25 15 February 2007 through 1 March 2007 Archive 26 1 March 2007 through 15 March 2007 Archive 27 Trentino — South Tyrol topics Archive 28 15 March 2007 through 1 April 2007 Archive 29 1 April 2007 through 1 May 2007 Archive 30 1 May 2007 through 1 June 2007 Archive 31 1 June 2007 through 1 July 2007 Archive 32 1 July 2007 through 1 August 2007 Archive 33 1 August 2007 through 1 September 2007 Archive 34 1 September 2007 through 1 October 2007 Archive 35 1 October 2007 through 1 November 2007 Archive 36 1 November 2007 through 1 December 2007 Archive 37 1 December 2007 through 1 January 2008 My 2008 archived talk Archive 38 1 January 2008 through 1 February 2008 Archive 39 1 February 2008 through 1 March 2008 Archive 40 1 March 2008 through 1 April 2008 Archive 41 1 April 2008 through 1 May 2008 Archive 42 1 May 2008 through 1 June 2008 Archive 43 1 June 2008 through 1 July 2008 Archive 44 1 July 2008 through 1 August 2008 Archive 45 not set up yet RfA Thank Yous RFA Archive Howcheng (27 Dec 2005) through present All dates approximate, conversations organised by thread start date

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Contents 1 Larbot 2 Just a Friendly Reminder 3 Thanks 4 Larbot 5 An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Fallasburg Bridge, was selected for DYK! 6 admin coaching link box 7 Beatles Newsletter - Issue No.9 template thingy 8 The Beatles and forking articles 9 Commons 10 friendly reminder 11 My Request for Adminship 12 use of images in The Beatles Discography section 13 WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 9, January 2007 13.1 Comments on issue

[edit] Larbot

Hi, User:Larbot currently states:

I am getting this account because at some point I may want to run a bot. This account does NOT currently run any bots ...

Given that you are now using it; you might want to consider rewording that page. Thanks – Gurch 18:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Gurch. It's still not a bot account, but the wording is a bit confusing, so I added the following:

Note: As of this writing, the account is doing edits. However, all edits are being performed manually... I decided to try to use it for rote tasks like newsletter delivery and DYK thanking/crediting, in order to leave my own watch list and contrib history more fairly focused on non rote tasks. But as of this writing (Jan 2007) it's still not a bot account. (AWB is not a bot. Using a javascript function from a dropdown tab to add a previewable comment to a talk page in one click is also not a bot) Please direct any questions you might have to me, thanks! The statement about it not ever voting or commenting substantively in discussions where it is not clear that it is me speaking, continues to hold and I continue to request notice if you ever see that violated. ++Lar: t/c 19:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hope that sorts it, let me know if it still needs clarifying. I guess maybe I should have went with the name lar_servant or lar_boringedits or something :) ++Lar: t/c 19:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's fine. I think "Bot" in an account name is generally recognized to refer to any kind of special-purpose repetitive-editing account, automated or not; the important thing, though, is that if you are actively using the account for something, the userpage makes that clear. Thanks – Gurch 19:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for suggesting that this be clarified. ++Lar: t/c 19:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just a Friendly Reminder

Just a friendly reminder, but the image recently added to T:DYK was not protected properly. Up until just now, only the local page was protected, leaving the Commons image vulnerable to vandalism (as the commons image was not locally uploaded). -- tariqabjotu 19:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Drat. I wasn't the protector, just the checker after the fact when I promoted, and I misread the templates and status that was there. Thanks for the heads up and thanks for sorting it. That's twice I've bobbled images lately. Note that if only the image info page is protected (no local upload) you have to protect the commons image, but if you DID local upload, you don't. the template placed claimed it was local uploaded but I missed that it was not. I'm a commons admin too, became one partly so I could do this... correctly... grr at me. Thanks again. ++Lar: t/c 19:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... I probably would have made the same mistake were I you, because I tend to trust that the template means all is in order. I made the same note to the protector as well. -- tariqabjotu 20:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

for your message about the DYK box. The page is protected since I got a lot of hate/spam discussion entries (now deleted, even from the version history) by some stupid German group that I have a lot of trouble with, due to some Wikipedia entries. Since I don't check it very often anyway, I did not bother to get it opened, as I much prefer talk entries at my German pages anyway. --AndreasPraefcke 19:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok... works for me. I won't quote policy about protection being temporary etc... not going to worry about it. ++Lar: t/c 20:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Larbot

Thank your bot for notifying me about the DYK update ^^ --Deryck C. 13:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

) ++Lar: t/c 13:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Fallasburg Bridge, was selected for DYK!

On January 5, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Fallasburg Bridge, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 04:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] admin coaching link box

Hi Lar, just wanted to say I wasn't ignoring you about the link box. I just haven't gotten to it yet. I removed it from the one page because it pushed the big links (Requests, Volunteers, Status) into 2 lines, and I thought it just looked bad. There's probably a way to fix that, and maybe we can combine those major links with the less-important ones.. anyway, I'll get to it, or feel free to mess around with it if you like. Not like I claim ownership or something. Cheers and happy weekend, Fang Aili ^talk 22:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

np. It was only one line on my monitor but I run really big. Maybe put the big links into the box too, but bigger fonts? some of them are actually twice. Which all did you remove them from? or point me to the discussion? thanks ++Lar: t/c 04:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Beatles Newsletter - Issue No.9 template thingy

Well, it may have been a simple instruction for those with some brains - but it is beyond me... Is it possible to set the blessed thing up so all I (or anyone as incompetent - some ask!) have to do is add in the numbers and dates and remove all the nowiki tags and hit save? This is getting beyond embarrassing and into annoying... LessHeard vanU 20:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I may have done it... trouble is, I don't know if I have or where to find the stupid thing if I have created it!LessHeard vanU 20:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Let me give it a boo. (your contrib history would show you any file you saved and where it is...) If it is not quite right at the moment I'll sort it for you. (For starters you don't EDIT the template, you use it on a page..... I'll revert the changes and sort out the page) Gimme a sec ++Lar: t/c 20:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorted. See Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Outreach/Newsletter/Issue 009 which is the correct place I think. Again, just visit the template, visit the page you want to start, and paste the text at the top of the template in, changing the months and numbers and etc, and save. ++Lar: t/c 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

So... I open a blank page and add the subst tag (including all the dates & numbers) from the template page to that - and the format copies over? Thanks for your help.LessHeard vanU 21:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Right. that is, paste {{subst:Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Outreach/Newsletter/Template|this issue number (###)|this issue date (Month Year)|last month (Month)|next issue number (###)|next issue date (Month Year)|your username}} into the new page and change stuff to fit. Then save the page and go back into edit and start editing in content. In fact, the way to get the "right" page to work on, is to follow the red link from the current month's newsletter, it already points to the right place for next months to be. LMK when you're ready and I will give it a once over and deliver it. Meanwhile the template maybe needs better instructions? :) ++Lar: t/c 21:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It is as finished as it is going to be - I doubt if any more effort is going to improve it. Please send out as soon as convenient (I have left the distributor credit blank).LessHeard vanU 21:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the heads up. I think I will first send out a little blurb to the inactives "you didn't get the newsletter beause it looks like you are inactive, we are going to remove your name but you can always add back if you want" or something like that. ++Lar: t/c 21:47, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Beatles and forking articles

I have a problem that I would like to impart to all you good 'Beatles project' editors, and it is this:

• Should anything directly Beatles-related be in the main Beatles' article, and only 'personal' stuff put into the Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, and Starr articles? I have the disturbing feeling that I'm repeating stuff in both Lennon and McCartney articles that should only be in the main article.
• But... if only personal stuff is included in the individual Beatles' articles, would it make them too confusing/random, to read?

Please answer (on a stamped and self-addressed postcard please) on our talk page. (This might be more interesting than talking about MBEs... :) andreasegde, Mr Hornby, and Sir Sean de Garde 15:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Which talk page? the one for the main article, Talk:The Beatles ?? Often when asking for help from busy people it really is best to give them as much help to get to where they need to go to help you as you possibly can. Links are a great way to speed up getting help! Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 15:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

By "our talk page" I assumed he meant those silly names of his talkpage. That is where I commented.LessHeard vanU 21:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Commons

Hi Lar, as a Commons admin, I was wondering if you could help with: WP:ANI#Underage images posted to Erection. Thanks -- Samir धर्म 16:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I commented there but it looks sorted to me, Nilfanion was on the case! ++Lar: t/c 17:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

That Nilfanion's just too fast! Thanks for checking it out -- Samir धर्म 18:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. Go support him for admin here if you haven't already! He's that good! ++Lar: t/c 23:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer of help at WP:ANI. I now have an account on Commons so I'll be sure to post to the Commons admin noticeboard should I notice a problem like that again. WJBscribe ^{(WJB talk)} 04:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] friendly reminder

Hey Lar, just a reminder, you wanted to put more work by Elizabeth Margaret Chandler on Commons, also Thanks for the user page ideas, I left you a response on my talk page:) Epousesquecido 01:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I saw that, yes. I will certainly see what I can do about Ms. Chandler's works. ++Lar: t/c 03:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Request for Adminship

Thank you for your nomination of and support in my my RfA, which passed with a tally of 117/0/1. I hope that my conduct as an admin lives up to the somewhat flattering confidence the community has shown in me. Please don't hesitate to leave a message on my talk page should you need help or want to discuss something with me. Has there been much progress on the Wikipedia:CommonsTicker? I saw toolserver managed to start replicating en the other day, so hopefully thats not too far off. By the way, if you want Coredesat's phone number I'll get hold of it for you :P--Nilfanion (talk) 15:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] use of images in The Beatles Discography section

Hi, Lar. There is a debate regarding the fair use of images in a gallery format in the main article under the Discography section. The person suggesting removal is an Admin, so I/we are taking their point very seriously and I would like you to cast your eye over the arguments and comment if appropriate. There was a previous new editor who was keen on removing said section for reasons of duplication, (see my talkpage), but hopefully a reasoned conclusion to the image question should settle that also. LessHeard vanU 00:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I put my oar in. We shall see. ++Lar: t/c 01:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Let me stress I have no axe to grind there; I even hope you are right in your more liberal interpretation of the rules. --Guinnog 22:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't doubt it for a moment, my friend. Whatever's best for the encyclopedia and the readers. BTW and completely unreleatedly (except that there were some songs in it by our fab 4), I saw Children of Men yesterday, that movie scares the crap out of me. I may have to go knock someone up, just to feel better. ++Lar: t/c 03:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 9, January 2007

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 009 – January 2007
Beatles News The ongoing divorce proceedings between Paul McCartney and the former Heather Mills continues to occupy the attention of the media - Heather Mills reportedly receiving unspecified death threats. The British Post Office have released a series of stamps depicting various Beatles album covers. Project News The Paul McCartney article is being primped and primed for submission as a Featured Article candidate. The good folk who have been working on the above article have turned their attention to the John Lennon page. Everyone is, of course, invited to contribute. 1 new article (by keithmall) has been listed in the Project Log since 1 December 2006, being The Beatles Book, a monthly magazine. The hottest Project page this month has been the Macca (Paul for those not in the know!) article, again. Other Project news... Please let the editors know if anything is happening, or just contribute it to the next newsletter. Member News New members to the project since the last issue include Beggarsbanquet, Keithmall, Sturgeonman, and McTavidge Sir Sean de Garde appears to have developed multiple personalities.	Issue of the Month The question of capitalising of the letter "t" in The of The Beatles has been raised again. It appears that UK style references (here and here) also maintains that the letter should be in lower case. If the Project is to be appear professional then it may have to change the format. Polite discussion is invited at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Policy. If possible, please provide sources/references to support your position. From the Editors It has been a fairly quiet time with regard to the Project (or at least that is how it seems). If you are reading this and wondering why your efforts in respect of a Beatles article has not been mentioned, it may be that you haven't told any editor. This is your Newsletter, which means you can contribute to it, so please do! If you've just joined, add your name to the Participants section of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy! Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 010 – January/February 2007). Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing! Contributors to this Issue LessHeard vanU (lead :) Editor) Lar (Editor, Distributor)
Complete To Do List Make visible or invisible by clicking Show or Hide, respectively. Open tasks for WikiProject The Beatles. Edit or discuss these tasks. As the project is currently just starting, our more experienced editors are working on the project infrastructure, classifying articles, and listing/assessing red links. Your assistance is welcome. If you would prefer to just edit - and why wouldn't you? - we have a choice selection of red links to turn blue and articles to clean! Now let's get busy. To Expand: Apple Records See also: Adopt an article To Clean up: Apple Records discography (wikify). The Beatles' 1965 USA Tour. To Merge: To Create: Phil McDonald (engineer). Lennon/McCartney songs: I'll Keep You Satisfied (produced by George Martin), From A Window. George Martin produced Billy J. Kramer song: Magic Carpet (song). Songs covered by The Beatles: Hippy Hippy Shake. The Big Three. Bag o'Nails, where Paul met Linda. Macca single: My Brave Face. Articles on each Beatle tour (Category:The Beatles tours). Full list & instructions. Lists to complete: Wanted Pics/Graphics: Mal Evans, Flying (song), Astrid Kirchherr, Jimmy Nicol, Cynthia Powell, Alistair Taylor, Ivan Vaughan, Tittenhurst Park. We need a better open-licenced photo for the project, to replace the Abbey Road crossing. If you provide a photo, please remove the ReqPhoto tag from the article's talk page and remove the article from this list. Project Discussions: The Beatles history, Individual songs vs longer album articles, Beatle wives, Merge/split proposals Project: Add {{WPBeatles}} to the talk pages of all Beatles-related articles. Send a newsletter to members, canvas for new members, and coordinate tasks. Enter articles classed as stubs into this list (under To Expand) and also list articles needing cleaning and other work here. If you complete one of these tasks, please remove it from the list and add your achievement to the project log.

Want to help on next month's newsletter? Don't want to receive these in future? Don't want it subst'd next time? – It's all here.

[edit] Comments on issue

OI!!! (re the lead). Thanks for your efforts! LessHeard vanU 21:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I am using AWB this time (and using my bot account) ... AWB is, if anything, slower than how I did it before. But I'm also sorting out who is on and off the subscriber list... see Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Outreach/Newsletter/PossiblyInactive and parallel pages. ++Lar: t/c 21:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

(copy of query posted on 'PossiblyInactive talkpage); Can we be clear on this; inactive on Wikipedia or the project? LessHeard vanU 22:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

WP is my thinking. I go by if all I see on their talk page is several months of newsletters. They can be project inactive, I don't think that's so bad. if they are WP active but project inactive they can remove themselves if they want. Why don't you go ahead and update that way? ++Lar: t/c 22:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Me? I'm (only) just a newsletter editor! :)

I will have a look, I suppose the contrib history is the best method, it indicates whether they are pressing keys or not - not whether they are talking. Hey, I hope contrib history is included in the listing... LessHeard vanU 22:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC) Edit; no, they aren't! Er........ let me sleep on it, I will see what I can do! LessHeard vanU 22:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)