Talk:Larry Holmes

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The DOB must be wrong. If he was born in 1943 he'd have been over 40 when fighting Spinks, which I'm sure he was not. Moreover, he wasn't 52 during his last fight.

Contents 1 High school 2 Holmes vs. Marciano 3 Fair use rationale for Image:Larry holmes.jpg 4 Post fight, Marciano comments 5 Intro

[edit] High school

I am trying to update high school affiliations for Lehigh Valley people. Does anyone know where he went to high school, or was he in Georgia at that age? PAWiki 19:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holmes vs. Marciano

I removed this part of the introduction: As heavyweight champion, Holmes impressively won his first 48 professional challenge fights, falling just one short of matching Rocky Marciano's all-time boxing record of 49 consecutive wins to start a boxing career.

One, what is a "professional challenge fight?" Two, Marciano did not set the record for consecutive wins to start a career. There are other boxers, such as Julio Cesar Chavez, who had more wins at the beginning of his career. Three, so what if Holmes was 48-0 when he fought Spinks? It would have meant something if he would have beaten Spinks and then retired. As it happened, Spinks beat him and Holmes fought on. It may be impressive to win 48 fights in a row without a defeat, but we don't remember Marciano because he did that. Instead, we remember him because he won 49 fights and then retired undefeated. Putting this info in the introduction is a little ridiculous, so I removed it and will continue to do so if others put it back. MKil 20:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)MKil r

I reverted your change because (a) if you have a problem with grammar and factual accuracy that can be fixed by editing not deleting; and (b) almost every bio of Holmes mention this streak as something important. Holmes official hoomepage mentions the 48-0 mark. Also see here, here and here for starts. Finally, the purpose of Wiki is to try to reach a consensus with other editors. Your attitude, as exhibited by the end of your post is not condusive to consensus. If you don't want your edits commented on or scrutinized, Wikipedia is not the place for you. Ramsquire 20:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine with my edits being scrutinized, but the statement made in the introduction is so far from being correct that it's useless to salvage it. I know the full history of Holmes and the Marciano connection, and the statement above fails to accurately capture the situation. It is also unnecessary in the introduction. I'm going to remove it, and if you would like to add something about Holmes' high number of title defenses, how he almost tied the unbeaten record of Marciano, or whatever, feel free. But as it stands, that sentence is both inaccurate and out of place. MKil 21:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)MKil

Nevermind. I saw the edits you made and I'm cool with that. Thanks. MKil 21:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)MKil

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Larry holmes.jpg

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[edit] Post fight, Marciano comments

Along with the 'jockstrap' comments, Holmes recognized Peter Marciano (Rocky's brother) in the post-conference audience, adding to his previous comment: (something to the effect) Peter, if you're offended (by the jockstrap comment)? So F***ing What!? GoodDay 19:32, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intro

The intro implies that Marciano continued his career after his 49th victory, when in fact he completed his career with 49 wins and 0 defeats. His record was not that he began a professional career with 49 consecutive wins; it was that he was the only professional heavyweight champion to complete his career undefeated (it just happened to consist of 49 bouts). --NameThatWorks (talk) 22:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Didn't see a response so I reorganized and rewrote it. I think it makes more sense now, and the flow into the rest of the article is better. --NameThatWorks (talk) 17:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

==Boxing Career== Larry Holmes was not knocked down by Earnie Shavers during their 1978 fight. That famous knockdown occurred in September of 1979, when Holmes defended his title against Shavers in a second fight.

Actually he was knocked down again later in the fight but the referee ruled it a slip.