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[edit] Signatures

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[edit] Ahiram The King Of Byblos and Sidon

About Ahiram:

Ahiram, most currently nicknamed Hiram to match the Old Testament name of a certain king who dealt with King Salomon of Israel, is the King of Sidon and Jubail. Sidon and Jubail are two major Phoenician harbors on the Mediterranean coast of the actual Lubnan (Lebanon). As stated in Wikipedia Encyclopedia, the name of Ahiram first appeared on the "Epitaph" of a king, it should be more precisely said "on the sarcophagus cover-lid of King Ahiram". The engraving text says (Not literally): "This is the tomb of King Ahiram, King of Sidon and Jubail..." (the actual Byblos of Lebanon)... The alphabet used in these inscriptions is what is called: Phoenician.

The Sarcophagus was discovered by the French archaeologists in 1934. France was then mandated to rule Lebanon after World War I. These archaeologists determined from the excavations in Byblos at than time that the sarcophagus dates to the mid-thirteenth century B.C. The sarcophagus was buried at about 50 feet underground and the entire area is an excavation site that revealed several other discoveries subject to a great deal of archaeology writings ever since.

Of course the discoveries including the name of Ahiram himself triggered controversies about the name of another King Hiram of Soor (Tyr) mentioned in the Old Testament as being contemporary to King Salomon of Israel(Ca. 980 B.C.). No contradiction with the Ahiram of Byblos and Sidon dating seems to corroborate this Biblical story except that the Lebanese archaeology did not find any trace of any King Hiram ever recorded in the history of Tyr. Only Roman archaeology is present in the Tyr surroundings. Prior to the Romans, the city of Tyr has a famous history when it resisted a siege by Alexander the Great of Greece fiercely before falling in the end with fire and blood. People in the Tyr area talk about a huge sarcophagus 10 miles to the east of Tyr (above ground) supposedly belonging to "King Hiram". The sarcophagus does not have any inscriptions.

It is advisable to log on the Lebanese archives especially the Byblos records and findings to learn about the origins of the Phoenician alphabet. Some Lebanese Historians advocate that the rest of the inscriptions are better understood when compared to the Arabic language. The question arises from these inscriptions about the true missing link of the old Arabia and Arabians who "must have spoken an old form of Arabic" with an old form of Alphabet that has traveled to Greece in the mid ninth century B.C. Nonetheless, this Phoenician alphabet is older than the Hebrew writing by centuries.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Ahiram" Noureddine 17:19, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

In addition to the above, just a hint about what the name Jubail could mean in the History of the Arabian Peninsula, the subject of the Arabian migrations from the south towards the north may be a valid explanation. The ports of Jubail in Saudi Arabia on the Gulf and Soor (Tyr) in the actual Oman could give us a clue about what Hiram we can talk about. The name Hayram is a current name in this part of Arabia along with Sahim (Sechem). The name of Dubai today offers another clue because the local people in the Arab Emirates made the name of Dubai close to the English tongue while in reality they pronounce it DBAIH. This name recalls the Lebanese locality of Dbaih 10 Km north of Beirut and 30 Km sount of Byblos. Should the city of Soor in Oman be close to the biblical Soor of King Salomon, is a matter of investigation because Arabia was not arid and dry in the far past like it is today. Many of the most prominent Lebanese families today present clues about these migrations like: the Buraydi's (Buraydah in Gassim), Thabet's, Thuwayni's (From Thuwaynah in Gassim), Shimeon, Yammim, Manassa, Ibrahim, Ashkar, Faraon, Issa, etc... all of these tribes migrated to Lebanon for greener grass long before Islam. Arabia used to be called Arabia Felix because of the agricultural wealth that it used to have. The city of Riyadh itself used to be called Hagar as the Saudi historians confirm it was built on the remains of the Old Hagar. The etymology of Riyadh means the Good Earth as well as the “Gardens” because of its agricultural fertile earth (Compare with Ardh or Eretz). Nonetheless, Riyadh is located in the middle of Wadi Hanifah along which several cities prospered from the torrential rains that carved its limestone river bed. This Wadi Hanifah (Abraham in the Arab tradition is called "Hanif") ends in the south at the actual city of Kharj also called Thulaym in the old maps. Al-Kharj city has its own underground water sources just like the Al-Hayir fountains 12 Km south of Riyadh. The etymology of Hayir-and-Thulaym combination as an agricultural entity may offer some clues about the real history behind the names, if they were related to Hagar and Abraham or not.Noureddine 18:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Baitul Mukarram

I am really humbled by the depth of your thinking and elaboration of rationale. So few Wikipedians look this deep into the details that I feel like finding my believe in Wikipedia regained. The mosque in Dhaka has been thus named since it's inception, but I sincerely don't know what went behind the naming. If you think I definitely can go down to the mosque to take a look into the archives. Anything that deals with the holy should not be taken lightly. Therefore, the current translation would stay only as long as there is no better alternative. My regards. Aditya(talk • contribs) 03:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Behind the names

Thank you Ammar for your comment.

In fact I do not see that you got my purpose behind the spelling of the name Juddah. It has been forty years I am researching what the Modern Hebrew has slaughtered in our history as distorted facts. The name of Juddah is only one of my many clues and targets. The Bible scholars write history like they want but they still have a European tongue and that is what I am after: the Modern Hebrew is hiding behind its pronunciation to avoid understanding Arabia. Salomon's Kingdom, no one knows its location with evidence (look out!!), split in two after his death: Judah in the South and Israel in the North. Historians do not say in the North of what or the South of what and it is not logical that it could be Palestine or part of it to be close to each-other. These two kingdoms were far apart. And when they talk about King Josiah "the King of Judah", they confuse the city with the Southern Kingdom. Maybe they are not the same. The problem is among the Bible scholars because they are confused and confusing. The story about Josiah tells exactly who Josiah's parents are: Jedidah and Amon, and yet the real pronunciation is a mystery unless we go to the living language: Arabic. And the story of "Micah's idols" talks about the same Judah. I am certain that it is about the city of Juddah because the harbor city of Laith is involved in these stories.

The conclusion is that Arabia was the capital of wealth and trade and production in the distant past where the Israelites were living as Arabians among Arabs. Every time a foreign invader launched a campaign against the Israelites he deported the main figures in the Arabian society: the rabbis and the rich people, not the entire Israelite population. The proof lies in the story of Josiah who was released by Shalmanassar III the King of Assyria, and returned to Juddah as a king. That was around 695 BC. In other words, the Israelite community used to live in Arabia and their Kingdom was in Arabia until they lost their power and dissolved in the Arabian society who spoke their language. Yes, I propose that Hebrew is the Old Arabic. It evolved through the ages and continued to beautify and crystallize with poetry and Oral tradition until it was different from the shape it had taken in the Israelite temples and scrolls: grammar and pronunciation. The proof is that the Jews at the time of the Prophet spoke Arabic and had purely Arabic names. Bani Kuraydhah, bani Kainukaa', bani Al-Nadir: this is pure Arabic. Hebrew was in the scrolls only.

Noureddine (talk) 22:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

But it's a very common info that Kingdom of Judah was established in the desert of Naqab , And what about the other naming story of Ibn Hilwan ? unrelible ? i agree with you that jewish community in arabia used to speak pure Arabic why do you think its an enough proof ? why you don't think they has arrived to the region after the establishment of the city ? And as long as i know , Laith was established in the early 1900's and Jeddah in 500-BC (still long time after the king-declaration of Josiah)  A M M A R  23:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Ammar: I do not know Ibn Hilwan nor his time. He could be reliable if he could bring references. I woould appreciate if you could bring some details about the history of Laith, that would be great but in general the Israelite history has vanished and avaporated from Arabia since the opening of North Africa and Spain. In history you can write any proposal and contradict any previous writer but in the end new explorations could override previous ones and so on. Al-Tabari was almost an encyclopedia and because several centuries passed without opposing him we all thought his writings about Palestine and the Israelites were sacred and sealed. Today we have a thousand proposals proving him wrong and ignorant and inspired by the Jewish writers of his time. Today we have archaeology and satellite mapping in addition to cartography and communications. Voices from within the Israeli lines are calling to re-visit the Exodus stories and now Sinai and even the Nile valley are out of the Exodus tales. Even their beliefs about the Kingdom of Salomon in Palestine are put under the microscope and there are suggestions to shift their dating by five hundred years. Don't you find this ridiculous? Only the Kuran stories about Moses and Sueiman stick and make sense. Read my contribution about Sinai. Do you think that Ibn Hilwan could be spared from these revisions? Respectfully, Noureddine (talk) 02:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's some links but in arabic:
(Asharq Alawsat (AR))
(SAL)(AR)
Can you give me the links of your contributions ?  A M M A R  15:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Noureddine's Contributions:

Dear Ammar:

I would be honored if you read my contributions on Wikipedia. I also contribute on the History Channel website in the USA but always calling for researchers to investigate. My opinions are only proposals for whoever wants to pursue truth and understanding. I repeat that I consider Arabia the hotbed of history and Abraham is the pivot of this history. This is because the Bible considers Abraham the pivot of history and Abraham is the foundation of Arabia's history so why don't we consider Arabia as the hotbed of that history? The target is of course those who do not want to give credit to the Arabian tradition and the Islamic version of Abraham. In addition, the Biblical scholars never admit that by the time of Abraham, whatever his timing is, the spoken language is a mystery and I find this mystery ridiculous. The current Arabic with all its variations thoughout the Aarab world was not spoken in the old times this is for sure because languages evolve and change from one area to another and from one era to another. Stories are the vehicle of language and you know what: stories evolve too, adding salt and pepper from father to son and changing the essence of its tale in the telling. Of course the Phoenician language has vanished because languages evolve and change and what we call Phoenician is the old Arabic and it precedes the old "Hebrew". This is a proposal to those who are eligible and knowledgeable in languages. Please read my contributions on Wikipedia, click on the discussion tab and then search for my name with CTRL F: Abraham, Hagar(bilble), Mecca, Bethel, Ai(bible), Biblical Mount Sinai, Noah, Micah's idols, Hiram I, and Muhammad's name. Respectfully, Noureddine (talk) 17:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I personally don't know enough about far history of Abraham period ,But for sure i'll read and learn from you boss .  A M M A R  17:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)