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[edit] Roundtable?
I don't think Lanval is in fact one of Arthur's Knights of the Round Table, he is in fact a foreigner from another kingdom.TArmstrong 02:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
The Roundtable is referenced in the poem, but it is not made clear whether or not it includes Lanval. Lanval is indeed a foreigner (Mes luin ert de sun heritage) but he is also a member of Arthur's household (De la meisnee le rei fu). The thrust of the beginning of the poem is that it is unjust that Lanval has received nothing, because he has served the king particularly faithfully (Li chevaliers dunt jeo vus di, / Ki tant aveit le rei servi…)Martin Turner 00:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- I assume you're referring to the category? He's not explicitly stated as a member of the Round Table in the text, but that's the impression I always got. At any rate I'd rather it's kept in to keep it organized with other similar articles that include categories for both the work and the character (Cliges, Daniel von Blumenthal, etc.) It's not a terribly big deal, and it's just simpler than bumping him to the general category Category:Arthurian legend, which looks redundant with Category:Arthurian literature.--Cúchullain t/c 04:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Description of the lady
The article currently says, "In contrast to Marie's other lais, such as Guigemar and Le Fresne, nothing is made of the mistress's intellectual or spritual qualities." But line 72 of the Burgess-Busby translation (2nd edition) describes her as "very worthy, wise and fair" ("tant est pruz e sage e bele") (pp. 74 and 141). This isn't so far removed from the description of the lady in Guigemar: "franche, curteise, bele e sage." Also, in a recent paper on Lanval ("Femmes et tere," 2004), Karen K. Jambeck has argued that Marie's descriptions of the lady actually place the latter somewhere between the material world and "an 'other' spiritual world" (p. 116). And finally, there's much in the story besides flat-out descriptions that speaks to the lady's savvy, ethical sense, ability to manipulate legal systems, etc. --estmere 21:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Probably "nothing is made of" overstates it. Nonetheless, it is true that there is an emphasis on the physicality and the cost. Would you like to edit to make this more nuanced? I haven't seem Femmes et tere -- do you have a reference? I agree strongly with the view, though, that she is a much more supernatural and in-control character. Perhaps you would be so kind as to add some of these into the main article.Martin Turner 18:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
