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There is never a mention of Russell Group Universities by any Lancing staff members, prospectus etc so why is it in there. I hadn't even heard of "Russell Group" universities until I read this article and I apparently attend one of them! Also, "Headmaster" is the correct word to use rather than "Headteacher". It is not to do with being gender-neutral, there is currently a Headmaster, not a Headmistress and this it is the current Headmaster's Assembly that is being referenced to. Neither has there ever been in the history of the college a female Headmistress. This will probably change in the future but as of now the term "Headmaster" is far more appropriate than "Headteacher".Spanky Deluxe 04:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

  • agree about "Head Master's Assembly", not "Headteacher's". after all Lancing currently has a Head Master and not a Head Mistress. Terminology can be changed once that is the case, but not sooner. HannsKoenig 21:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  • To conform with gender neutrality it should be teacher not master.--Lucy-marie 23:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Lucy-marie: in your own profile you state that you will use "vernacular" even if it is not politically correct. and this is exactly the case here, Headmaster's Assembly has had its current name for more than 100 years, and i personally find it ridiculous to change it now (and only in wikipedia, the school is officially using "Headmaster's"). HannsKoenig 16:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


The article wasnt completed by a pupil or staff at lancing. The pictures are perhaps too large. The article is balanced, read down.

It doesn't matter at all if a student wrote this, but the way things are phrased it could very easily be a brochure for the college. Examples:
  • "The school is one of the finest, both in builings and educational acomplishment. Since embrassing co-education, it has developed into one of the most rich and prestigious centres of learning for boys and girls aged 13-18. "
  • "Life at Lancing is naturally busy and intense. "
  • "As a leading Public school, Lancing College is an established institution with traditional values, very high standards and a Christian ethos. Yet, unlike similar schools it fosters the individual and is rather flexible as regards to its pupils arrangments. Naturally, firm structure is in place with clear boundries and limits athough. "
  • "Naturally, Lancing is described as 'snobby' or elitist... "
  • "Set in 550acres of glorious countryside, Lancing holds one of the most enviable locations. "
I think that needs to be cleaned up before removing an ad tag. Joshdboz 19:11, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps, the text could be interpreted in that fashion. But there are numerous other school articles on similar schools that read in similar ways Fettes College for example.

At no point, is the article untruthful. It is factual: The college does provide 'outstanding' education - look at the alumni - it is positioned in a great environment and yes, it is a leading college, appearing highly in the league tables. Feel free to dispove the artice, it would make for interesting conversation.

I'm sorry to have made such a big fuss. As I said, I arrived at this article through an article for deletion, and have no direct knowledge of this place (I've never been to England even). I don't doubt any facts, my only concern was that some information was presented not in an encyclopedic way, but in more of a "welcome brochure". I'm not going to carry on more discussion on the article, but just for future reference, whenever you write something on a talk or user page, type a "~" four times without the quotes, and this will sign your response with your name and time. Enjoy. Joshdboz 20:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Congregational practice far more commonly known as "Congo" than "Congers" (as of 2005), jargon section edited to reflect this

  • As far as I can determine, all of the above issues have been resolved, How to remove the box from the top of the article?Aklowry 20:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] user box needs fixing

Can someone plaes fix the infomation box


The translation of the school motto... I thought Beati Mundo Corde meant "Happiness binds the world". Have I been getting it wrong all these years? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.138.186.5 (talk) 10:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Don't use Wiki for advertising

This article is clearly edited by the school. Not wrong in itself, if they didn't use it to sell the school. Pay for your advertising, and leave this site as an encyclopaedia. 86.17.246.75 00:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

This article is well balanced and is an example of how institution such as schools and comapnies should be portrayed on wikipedia to avoid advertising on wikipedia. this article is hardly advertising it is meerly and in depth and accuratly full synopsis of the school and the academic facility--Lucy-marie 12:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Academics / A-Levels

This is related to the matter discussed above. I could find no evidence of Lancing being ranked 17th nationally in any league table in 2005. I have added in Lancing's A-Level ranking by the Daily Telegraph for 2006. Since there is a large difference in the figures, until proven otherwise, the 2005 figure has been removed.

I have also removed the claim that Lancing is one of England's most academically successful schools. In any event this claim is vague and hard to justify, and given the league table rankings seems misleading (some county rather than national claim may be more appropriate).

In general, please remember that POV (point of view) and facts with reference will be removed. Complaining that other schools do it is no excuse, make the point on their discussion page, mark the article as biased or question facts.....

I would also highly reccomend that the statement about being internationally renowned is taken out, and have marked it on the page.

83.245.110.2 16:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Academics 2

Twice in two days, the real Daily Telegraph ranking for A levels has been removed and placed with an unsubstantiated and false claim that Lancing College came 17th in 2005.

Also, "prestigious" has made its way back in. This is a POV description unless you are talking about e.g. Eton or Westminster.

Finally, Public School has been replaced by Independent School. This is because this is what the school and other schools like it describe themselves as. Secondly, there is no consensus as to what a Public school is (see its wiki).

In conclusion, unless the POV and false statements are stopped I will ask for this page to be protected.(talk)

77.99.140.48 16:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

Articles on numerous alumni of the college have been recently added,without sufficient information or references to demonstrate notability, and in some case with material copied from other sites on the web., Please stop doing this--they will inevitably be deleted. if you're going to write an article on an OL, make it a good article. DGG (talk)

And I have removed some information from the article that is generally considered excessive detail in articles about schools. DGG (talk) 02:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

ok. Was bored. Decided to add some profiles. Entirely unbothered that you removed them. Dispute settled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aklowry (talk • contribs) 18:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alumni

In general, notable alumni for schools and universities are limited to those with WP articles, in order t o prevent excessive quibbling on discussion pages like these. I've started removing them, but feel free to add them back as you write adequate articles on them according to the usual standards, and have them stick. . I've left a Bishop--all Bishops are usually considered notable. I haven't started in on the military figures yet. These lists are truly remarkable, and it is hardly necessary to pad them.

Incidentally, you might fix some of the style--we do not link Sir and General and OBE etc. each time they occur. Perhaps the best way of getting the titles in cleanly is with a pipe: Sir John Smith, OBE. DGG (talk) 03:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

You haven't 'started' on the military figures yet. What do you intend to do? Senior figures in the British Forces are notable and thus it follows that there is little, if anything, for you to 'start' on. Please explain what you mean by 'these lists are truly remarkble', what padding? Thanks Aklowry 20:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

truly remarkable was intended to mean that the number and variety of really distinguished alumni from this college is amazing, in the most highly positive possibly praiseworthy sense of the word. Padding ,referred to there being no reason from any perspective to add to an already impressive list by the inclusion of borderline individuals. I removed 2 more, to indicate--if you think them notable, write the articles.
As for military figures, I said i had not looked at them yet--I have now, and the ones there seem reasonably appropriate.

DGG (talk) 23:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Lancing" Slang

Removed the Lancing Slang section completely, as there seems to be a general agreement that only Eton can get away with having one.
-- Why would that be the case? Is Eton in any way "special"? 137.205.69.37 (talk) 02:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

"as there seems to be a general agreement that only Eton"? general agreement among whom? any school with a significant number of slang terms only used within the school is entitled to have such a list.Dragnipur (talk) 11:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)