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[edit] Return to US

Will Lancia ever return to the US? Maybe after Alfa returns in order to compete.

[edit] Lancia image found on commons

Is this a new production model? (image posted for inclusion by article editors as appropriate) - Leonard G. 05:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Prototype for the new Lancia Delta it would seem from Google; http://www.italiaspeed.com/2005/cars/lancia/07/delta/0707.html Alastairward 15:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corrosion issue

I asked my Dad (a Fiat and Lancia owner in the 70s and 80s) if his 124 Sport and Beta Coupe rusted any quicker being Italian. He answered no and actually remembered his Lancia, bought before the big scare in the UK, rusting more slowly than previous British cars he had owned. Does anyone have a cite beyond the usual "Russian Steel" reason stated in car magazine for unusual corrosion in Lancias? They were made from the same stuff as Fiats, but Fiat has been in the UK for quite some time now. I read a magazine article that put Lancia's PR problems down to bad design of the engine bay of the Beta Saloon model (my Dad had the coupe which was nowhere near as bad) Alastairward 10:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

The section on corrosion in the Lancia in UK section badly needs citations and references. 193.243.131.123 11:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I have explicitly cited the July 2007 issue of Classic & Sports Car. I don't know if this article I took my information from is available online. There is, however, a complete and utter lack of ANY sources and references that can verify the alleged use of Russian steel on Fiat/Lancia and Alfa Romeo cars of the time.Elp gr 21:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Furthermore, even if indeed Fiat and Lancia were indeed using the much-ballyhooed Russian steel - and again, let me repeat and stress that all those people who claim that this was the case have been mysteriously unable to procure even the slightest evidence - , Alfa Romeo was not under Fiat ownership during the '70s, so it was certainly not bound by such a contract.Elp gr (talk) 10:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I have edited the whole "Lancia in the United Kingdom" section so that it now gives the real lowdown on the whole rust scandal libel campaign. Also, I would like ANYONE with solid and real proof that Fiat and Lancia were using "Soviet" or "Russian" steel in the '70s to provide it. Unverified claims have no place in Wikipedia. Elp gr (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More info maybe

For such an important an iconic brand, I think Lancia deserves more information. Maybe more should be put into the sections on groundbreaking models such as the Aprilla and the Stratos. TMore mentio of motorsport could bde made. A note about its position nowadays, in terms of sales, brand image and market share may also be useful. These are just ideas. Oh, and I heard that Abarth was to tune future Lancias! A modern day Intergrale anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.142.234.48 (talk) 23:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Abarth tuning future Lancias, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. In fact, I'm not quite sure Lancia wants to be trapped again in the all-out race car image that was given to it by the Delta Integrale. Successful and iconic as the Integrale was, it created a false image for Lancia that had absolutely nothing to do with its history; Lancia has always been a maker of very well-designed luxury cars that also happened to handle very well, thanks to their advanced mechanicals, and an active party in races, with some special versions that performed well and won races, but did not overshadow the "normal" range in the way the Integrale did. The Integrale did much to give Lancia a boy-racer image, turning it away from its traditional clients and giving it new ones that the factory never really wanted to have. How many people today remember cars like the Fulvia, the Flavia, the Flaminia, the Aurelia, the Thema, the Kappa? All of these were superb cars, yet, today, everyone keeps babbling about the Integrale and the Stratos - the homologation specials - and expects Lancia to produce cars like that en masse; in fact, almost everyone says "oh, if Lancia doesn't make even the base versions of its new cars at least as gung ho as the Integrale, I'm not buying, because they're not going to be real Lancias". Such expectations are preposterous, to say the least. Elp gr (talk) 22:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
What's so great about Lancia nowadays? All of them have that hideous Jag S-Type-esque grille, slab-sided bodywork, and front-wheel drive. Chaparral2J (talk) 00:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be quite a lot in the Italian and German Lancia entries, in case anyone has time and inclination to distill same for the English speakers. If the person (or anyone else) who kicked off on this issue doesn't have mother tongue Italian, you can still do a crude google translation and then reword the more comprehensible bits into recognizable English. I guess relatively few English speakers come across a lot of Lancias because ever since the early Betas got a reputation for rapid rust, and Lancia lost interest in exporting to right hand drive markets, we don't see too many Lancias sold in Britain. And the US market has never been too welcoming to sub-exotic Italian cars. In Britain you have to be seriously middle aged to remember the popular (to look at - too expensive in post 1967 devaluation Britain for most folks to buy) Fulvia coupé from the late 60s. (Lancia's loss of interest in right hand drive markets carries an added irony if you remember than in the 1920s and 1930s, quite a lot of Lancias sold even in Italy had the steering wheel on the right side of the car - as though for a left hand drive market.) Charles01 (talk) 05:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The article needs proper historic section. The rust "scandal" seems to be very UK centric, I havent heard such problem in other European countries and its still mentioned in many Lancia articles.... And yes the brand hasnt been in many markets over 10 years, we got it back in the end of 2007. --— Typ932T | C  08:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
UK-centric perhaps, but no less a valid comment on the manufacturing quality. Traditionally, it's been understood (in motoring press articles) that the rust problem would have affected Lancias sent to other markets, had they been subjected to British weather! The survival rate in Italy is immediately, visibly higher than the rest of Europe because of the weather, and also because they sold far more of them at home, where people were loyal. But they still rust pretty badly compared with, say, a comparably-aged galvanised Audi! – Kieran T (talk) 14:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)