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Reference

I know nothing about TFA but the external link seems to be dead so I removed it, http://www.nsyncfanatic.com/biographies/lance.shtml

Comment by NotGonnaTellYouMyName

Lance, I applaud you for coming out. I think you were the best member of NSYNC, much more talented than that bra-ripper pervert Michael Jackson wannabe. And yeah, where did the Mike Jones thing come from? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Source?

What is a "hip-hop relationship with rapper Mike Jones" and where did that come from? I can't find any evidence of one person speculating it, much less "many". There's no connection I can find between the two mentioned anywhere. I removed the line, unless there's a source to back this up. (I don't see the point of the American Idol paragraph in general. I only recall hearing it in one radio interview, is it even important? It was in reference season two, as compared to the first. Hardly seems encyclopedia worthy.) Secondbest 04:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Secondbest

American Idol Quote

Removed the American Idol "quote" line. It had no sources, and was simply put there to conjure up a particular reaction. This isn't important info to have on an encyclopedia entry.

Gay rumours

What about the rampant rumours about his alleged ongoing relaitonship with reality tv D-lister and openly gay Reichen Lehmkuhl? They have been caught sharing clothes by the fastidious perez from www.perezhilton.com, have been photographed taking exotic vacations together, and have been seen with their hags (decoy dates) at nightclubs.

what about them? rumours don't really have a space in encyclopedia entrys.

Well they are more than just rumours. Its an undisclosed fact, really. the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.

Bass has been spotted with Lehmkull at Provincetown on the fourth of juli. He's gay :)

Defamer.com has reported that he's a "bottom". Can anyone substantiate this?

Hardly. It's just another gossip column like all the rest. Until he makes a public announcement, it's officially just tabloid filler, no matter how obvious it seems. By the way, the ABC article linked is not exactly about their relationship, as currently claimed in the article. It mostly discusses how the sighting has resulted in a total lack of privacy, and even quotes: "Media speculation about people's sexual orientation is not something we support." from GLAAD. And Wikipedia does support it apparently? Most of the rest is just quotes from other places about how they were spotted together.


I really wish I could put, on the main Wiki page for him, "Lance Bass has admitted to being gay, suprising three people in Texas living under a rock." Rockhound 17:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I need to have this page unprotected so I can add an appropriate picture of him, Image:Lance_bass_shirt.jpg
Seriously, why are people surprised!? There's been so many signs, he's always with dudes he probably introduced to his folks as his "room mate" or "special friend", he dresses like a homosexual, he acts like a homosexual, he's a prettyboy in a boyband (seriously, has there ever been a member of a boyband who isn't hot for c****!?)--86.16.140.116 18:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Dumbest. Comment. Ever. --AaronOfAbsalom 11:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

...Not to mention completely inappropriate for Wikipedia. S3BST3R 14:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


PEREZ HILTON DID NOT OUT LANCE BASS! PEOPLE NEED TO STOP SAYING THAT

Yes, he did. He may not have drug Lance out of the closet, but when you constantly report on a person's sexual orientation, that's called outing. Not that I feel bad for Lance, you understand.-Bri 20
36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The welcome to the family thing should be reomved. The pro gay anti gay rhetoric either way loses integrity for the article.

The truth is that this is a publicity stunt in response to accusations by effeminate fame seeking gays, i.e.Perez Hilton and jealous losers. What is not said is that Lance has denied these "rumors" and "reports" since 2002, as well as being subjected to numerous other nonsensical claims ala a relationhip with Kathy Lee. Boy bands have always been called "gay" and been the target of jealous remarks due to their popularity with women and especially young girls. It will be revealed this October (October 2007) that the people magazine cover and story was a publicity stunt mimicking Ellen Degeneres' similar People cover, purely to capitalize on all the internet gossip nonsense. As a public figure Lance had no other legal recourse to stop Perez from constantly publishing these deranged "rumors." Now we see how monumental his self decribed "very stable" relationship with Reichen was, and how the whole Clay Aiken gay media storm played out. The uninformed will have a lot of explaining to do very soon. If Wikipedia:Lance Bass entry is updated as to this hoax, publicity stunt, updates Must credit "NSYNCDeutscheTechnikM." (August 18, 2007)

Since when does being gay become news worthy?

Can someone explain to me why being gay is relevant to someone's entry in an encyclopedia? Are we marking every celebrity here? It seems a little intrusive to their personal life and finality of their existence.

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I completely disagree. He should not have been outed or forced to out himself by gossip writers, if that's part of why he did it, but in this day and age being OUT and gay is a significant thing. There is so much homophobia in the world, choosing to out yourself (publicly) is a political act. I'm sure there are loads of people listed on Wiki who are gay but whose profiles don't mention it because they have chosen not to be out. (I disagree with the labelling of people who are only rumored to be gay, who have not come out -- but that's not what you're discussing.) So it's not really about listing who is gay, it's listing who is out. Listing who has chosen to make the political statement of being Out in this world. Why on earth would we censor that choice or refuse to acknowledge it? We list who is a vegetarian, who is into Kabbalah -- why censor something so much more personal?

Look at the entries for straight people, especially straight celebrities. Apart from maybe a few who are ultra private and don't reveal anything about their love lives (which is pretty rare for celebs, and obviously Lance doesn't fall into that category), celebs' wiki profiles, pretty much any profile of them, discuss their love lives (by default emphasising the fact they are heterosexual). Even celebs who are very private have their marital status and names of spouse and kids be public knowledge. To make a deliberate omission in the case of gay people -- to censor their personal lives and choice in being out just because they're gay -- definitely seems homophobic and I don't see how it could be justified. Unless Wiki was to have a 'no discussing anyone's personal life' policy. Queer Scout

Homosexual is the correct term.

It doesn't matter what the public or the media call it, "homosexual" is the correct term, not "gay". Please, leave it alone. dposse 18:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I am just curious as to what basis you state that the correct term is homosexual and not gay. The article Homosexuality states, "[t]he term gay is used predominantly to refer to homosexual males." Thanks. -- Dcflyer 19:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
As that article says, "Gay" is slang for homosexual. This is an encyclopedia, and we should use the correct term, not the slang. dposse 20:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Understood. Thanks. -- Dcflyer 20:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
From the "gay" article: "Some people reject the term homosexual as an identity-label because they find it too clinical-sounding. They believe it is too focused on physical acts rather than romance or attraction, or too reminiscent of the era when homosexuality was considered a mental illness." Since the People Magazine in which he comes out uses the term for his self-description, shouldn't we honor his preference? Jokestress 20:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I do not think so. "Some people" do not speak for Wikipedia and the people who edit it. People Magazine used "gay" because that is what the public and the media generally uses. However, it is slang. We should use proper english in wikipedia. The word "gay" has always meant "happy". It is only in the past couple of years that it has turned into a word meaning "homosexual" or "bad". "Homosexual" has no other meanings. It has always meant having sexual relations with the same sex. Besides, "homosexual" and "gay" link to two different articles. It is the homosexual one that should be linked to since that is what both words mean and what is being discussed here. dposse 21:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion, gay isn't a slang term for homosexual, but nothing more than a synonym. The reason slang shouldn;t be used in an encyclopedia is two fold: a) if using the term could interfere with a reader's comprehension or b) if the word is juvenile-sounding, etc. Gay in the sense of meaning homosexual has been used for decades, as Jokestress says. And everyone knows what gay means. On the other hand, gay meaning happy is slang from the 1970s. Gay does not equal bad! -Bri 23:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
1970's? I think you need to go a bit further back. Kasreyn 23:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
If a word "is what the public and media generally uses," shouldn't Wikipedia reflect the standard usage? "Gay" to describe an identity has been used this way for decades (and is almost never used to mean "happy" any more), so it really isn't slang any more. And do you have a citation for your claim that "gay" = "bad"? Jokestress 21:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I have to say, I'm alarmed by your argument here. In general usage, the terms 'gay' and 'lesbian' refer to a personal identity, while the rather clinical word 'homosexual' generally refers to a type of behaviour. This is a usage that has become incredibly common in the English language, especially among people who identify as members of the LGBT community. Most mainstream media sources, including well-respected ones such as the New York Times, the Associated Press, the Washington Post, and the Guardian, acknowledge that members of LGBT communities prefer the words 'gay' and 'lesbian,' among other words, over the medicalized and clinical 'homosexual,' when referring to people. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, a prominent media organization which focusses on the media depiction of lesbian and gay people, makes this explicitly clear on their site: [1]. I hope you'll remain open to the fact that the English language is ever-changing, and that our main obligation on Wikipedia is to reflect meanings and usage that are accepted among the communities we describe here, including the lesbian and gay community. 'Gay' is no longer slang in the English language.  :: Salvo (talk) 22:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, actually, our main obligation is to present all our material in as neutral a manner as possible, and at times it is therefore necessary to think deeply about whether use of a particular term might imply an unspoken support for a certain position. In general, I would support using "gay" and "lesbian" over "homosexual" - but it's good that Dposse raised the issue. It is most decidedly not a bad question, and deserves a careful answer. Kasreyn 23:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Do i have a citation? Talk to any teenager on this planet. Show them a picture of a pokemon or something. The first words out of their mouths will be "Ew, that's so gay!". The english language does change. It's called slang! For example, in england, the slang for cigarette is "fag". "Fag" is also a disgusting bigoted word for a homosexual. Are you telling me that we should change how we use a word on an encylopedia just because people decide to change how it's used? "Gay" will always mean happy, no matter how many people use it to mean homosexual or bad. Now, that doesn't change the fact that on wikipedia there is a seperate article for "gay" and "homosexual". The gay article mostly talks about the language of the word, while the homosexual article talks about what we want to link to, which is homosexuality. dposse 23:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
The usage of the word 'gay' to refer to something bad is indeed slang; indeed, it's slang that is homophobic, malicious, and harmful in the context of young LGBT people who hear it. However, some new uses of words do indeed enter the lexicon. Check any sizeable, recent dictionary under the heading 'gay': you'll see that it has been accepted as a term referring to the sexual identity of a large group of people. Take a step back a second, and please consider the millions of people that these words apply to. Wikipedia articles, such as gay and homosexual, aren't the final word on people's experiences.
Please also keep in mind that the word homosexuality, as a noun describing a concept, is quite different than homosexual as a noun describing a person or homosexual as an adjective describing a person. Why is it so hard to believe that gay or lesbian could be the preferred and widely accepted term when describing a person? What is the authority on which you're insisting that 'homosexual' is not 'the correct term'? :: Salvo (talk) 23:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Per Salvo's comments above, I think you are being a little rigid regarding usage. "Homosexual" is a dated term almost no one uses these days (with the exception of anti-gay groups and some old-school clinicians). I am not convinced by your argument, either. If you have citations, we can discuss them. Jokestress 23:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Also, dposse, you'll be interested to see that in the article on gay, there is another explanation as to the usage of gay vs homosexual when describing people.  :: Salvo (talk) 23:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I suppose you are right, Salvo. Jokestress, i believe what you said is wrong. But it doesn't really matter now. I'm not gonna win this little arguement. I made this because i'm fiercly pro-LGBT, and i personally hate how the word "gay" has become corrupted by the bigots of the world. Oh well. End of discussion, i guess. dposse 01:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
As Salvo pointed out, The New York Times, among other news media, uses the term gay, such as in this recent article: [2]. -- Dcflyer 03:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Technically, it isn't a derogatory term. Think of today. It's just like with races...Are people white or Caucasian? Are people black or African-American?...Both terms may be used without any racist/prejudicial intention. Michael 04:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Mr. Bass has called himself "gay"... that means its our responsibility, if we're going to talk about it at all (and we should, because as someone said above, it's a political statement in this day and age, and he does hold a position of some public stature), to call him gay too. Even if that doesn't jibe with one's political view on the usage of the term. It is just as simple as the semantics of what he said. By way of pleasing everyone, perhaps it would be appropriate to quote from the People Magazine article, rather than paraphrasing?
To discuss your argument, breifly, it's fairly difficult to make a compelling argument against using a word when you use a form of it in an identification of yourself. Claiming to be pro-LGBT means claiming to be pro Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgendered. Perhaps you'd prefer to call yourself pro-LHBT? Or, even more accurate, Pro-HBT? Finally, gay hasn't been used in any real way to connote "happy" for more than just "a few years". -- Lekoman 05:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

"Homosexual" is the clinical term, whilst "gay" is the familiar or social term. Therefore, "gay" should be used when referring to social matters, whilst "homosexual" is preferred when speaking medically.

This is wikipedia and as with names like say María Sánchez it matters how the person spells their name so if she drops the "correct" accents, Marina Sanchez thats the correct way, i think its important to use the terms gay people use to refer to themselves. This is nto an isolated case Marijuana is technically slang in this sense and is virtually always used instead of Cannabis, same thing with Killer Whales vs. Orca and Ecstasy vs. MDMA. Its called same-sex or gay marriage, not homosexual marriage. Wikipedia uses the term African American because black can be perjerative. Homosexual is perjerative. Qrc2006 23:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Gay is not unencyclopedic, if gay doesnt link to homosexual use a damn pipe | in the link. Gay is not slang. Gay is in the dictionary, Websters and even Oxford, it was slang and jargon in the 1940s and so on, but it has come into general use. You can use the word gay in a term paper or in any academic circle, i think the use of homosexual may come into question in such circles in this day and age, and even come off as conotating unacceptance. It is not in the past few years, where have you been my friend? it has been in the dictionary since the 1980s and has been in common use since the 1960s and 70s and in the gay community since the 40s and 30s or earlier. The word gay does not mean "happy" that is archaic and it does not meaning having sex with someone of the same sex, that would be gay sex or "homosexual relations" as you would probably put it. The word homosexual when used in referance to a person is offensive ask any Faggot! including this one! Gay does not mean bad, gay does not mean an identity its an orientation and homosexual does not refer to bahavior. If it refered to bahvaior i wasn't homosexual until i was 17 when i lost my virginity that simply isnt true i was always gay/homosexual. oh and by the way bigot, gay will never mean happy again, it does not mean happy that is archaic. Gay means a guy or girl that likes other guys or girls especially guys because girls often prefer being called lesbians but are ok with when both sexes are refered to be included under gay. Also the wikipedia cataegories are "Gay actors" "gay singers" and gay is in line with the wikipedia manual of style and is even used as an example. Say a gay man not A gayQrc2006 23:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Just my two cents here: it says, on the front of the magazine with his face on it, in HUGE BRIGHT YELLOW LETTERS, "I'M GAY". I think that if a compromise must be reached on this lame argument, write gay and link it to homosexual. Because Lance Bass is gay, and this argument is gay. AKismet 04:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

*sigh* I find it sad that after this whole discussion of 'gay' as a positive term, someone insists on using it in an offensive way that's pejorative and homophobic.  :: Salvo (talk) 16:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Homophobic? I'm gay. Well, at least bisexual. However, gay is a common pejorative and I linked it appropriately. Especially here in England, it's "gay" this and "gay" that. I've had many a gay friend swear at their computer, "This thing is being so fucking gay!", and they certainly didn't mean homosexual. If you find it sad, take it up with a dictionary. AKismet 09:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
They are using "gay" the same way that my generation used "queer". Both terms are a positive to some, a negative to others. There's no getting around it. Wahkeenah 13:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

As far as personal opinions go, the only instance when I have a problem with "gay" is when it's used as a noun. i.e., "the gays came out of the closet." That's about as professional as wording something like, "the blacks protested against discrimination." Let's only use the word as an adjective, please. 74.242.103.208 03:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Current event?

Is this tag a reference to the "I'm Gay" thing? If so, it's a little silly! --

Humor abounds

I literally laughed out loud when I read the following in the article:

"...grossed only $4.3 million at the US domestic box office, but had a production budget of $16 million. The film was produced by Bacon & Eggs LLC (formerly A Happy Place)..."

I guess I wouldn't call it A Happy Place anymore, either, after losing $11.7 million .... I know, it's silly, but so is a lot of the other stuff on this Talk page. Have good days.—Chidom talk  18:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Career

Lance has several other movie appearances which are part of his filmography.

Most notably appearing as himself in: Zoolander and Wes Craven's Cursed

The combined cast, publicity, and revenues of these movies far outweighs many movies listed in Wiki for much lesser known actors.

These are theater released major motion pictures, and he deserves credit.