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Genrebox

Thanks to anyone who is helping keep the genre box free from error as per the WP:HMM project. If you would like a genre added, there must be sufficient discussion/proof here! Thanks. --Ryouga 23:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Stop removing the Metalcore genre. Lamb of God's genre being metalcore (along with groove metal) is common knowledge, and happens to be sited 5 times. Doing so will result in the recording of your IP address in this page's history.

Removed 'Post-Thrash' genre, Groove and Post-thrash are the same damn thing. Jman8088 16:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Lamb of God are not metalcore. Their instruments are too technical and their sound doesnt reflect this. Clearly a groove metal band / heavy metal.

Clearly you are unable to see the blatant metalcore sound, that only grows with each release. Genre is cited/ref'd. Under no reason should it be removed. --Ryouga 22:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Heavy metal has been sited many times also so please add that to it even there EP and some shirts say Pure American Metal so that I would say is proof enough. Skeeker 07:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Even though I am a fan of Lamb of God for many years, they do sound a little like metalcore. Just a little. I hate to admit that. But when I play some of their songs, metalcore comes in mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.53.209.20 (talk) 21:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC) --Wick3dd 18:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Though Lamb of God's groove metal credentials are clear, it is also evident that power and death metal have had major influences on them. They resemble those two genres more than metalcore. The Enslaver 22:42, 19 January (UTC)

Genre Update

I'm not way off base, I was just countering your arguments but it is useless to argue with you because you (attempt) discredit everyone's sources that differ from yours. Those aren't random labels, they're what had been a decided genre for the albums/group after evaluating the music. Also, if you're implying that I am a LoG obsessed fanboy then you're too hurried to make a real judgement. I'm just arguing their genre and happen listen to their music, not my favorite band but one I like. I also understand that when people abuse the labels, such as the case with Slipknot, you have to lock it but when people are changing the label from metalcore/post-thrash to prog or death metal it's not abuse because those are genres that LoG happens to be regarded as (by critics, not just the fans). Your whole base seems to be pretty much "Well it doesn't agree with me so it's wrong". This is my last post to you so replying is pretty much pointless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpinePastry (talk • contribs)

Good, because you still don't have a point. I already explained what a mislabel is. I've tried to use sources that are considered credible, and if you do not understand this, there isn't anything more to tell you. All I can say is, if you think this band is even remotely death metal, you clearly do not understand the genre. And, for the record, I discredited nothing - no one gave any source other than the ones I used, which makes no sense to me, because all 3 clearly say "metalcore." --Ryouga 23:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You're getting way off base here. I don't care what they think they are, or what some random labels they received are. It is not important to list every genre they take minor influences from, and the blatant truth is, they are seen as a "metalcore" band in the eyes of most extreme metal fans, a LOG-obsessed fan boy would not be willing to accept this, which is why the page is locked - people like to abuse labels, which is why we (the WikiMetal project) have to constantly revert things such as "Death metal" on a band like Slipknot's page. Clearly the decision was agreed upon, or else this page would not have been locked. Seriously, do not dig any further into this issue unless you wish to add a genre (rather than minus one) that seems accurate. As of now, the page is fine as it is, and although listing "progressive metal" is quite redundant, if you can give me a valid source claiming them as such, I can put it up for you.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN FILL THE INFOBOX WITH "DEATH METAL" AND "THRASH METAL." It is fine the way it is, although one more accurate genre doesn't make too much difference.
But metalcore stays, among the more knowledgeable metal community (ex. not Wikipedians), they are always placed under the metalcore category. Lastly, the Encyclopaedia Metallum is the closest thing to an elite/correct metal information website as it gets really, hence why it is one of the most popular. You may not edit an article there without having extensive proven metal knowledge -- you can go explore that by yourself.
This topic shall now be concluded. --Ryouga 21:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I know very well that the term Metal doesn't do much good, but if an agreement can not be met it's better than misleading people that search them in your favor or ours. Even if you believe you're right, it doesnt always mean you are, just as we may be wrong, but you can't look to just people who agree with you in order to make yourself seem right. The Encyclopedia Metallum you mentioned is edited by the members which makes it an insufficient source for true information (something that wikipedia is trying to be even with the fact that anyone may edit it).

(This next paragraph is slightly off topic but you brought me to it.) I am well aware of what the gothenberg style (melodic death metal) is and know exactly what it is. At the same time I listen to plenty of bands from it, but the riffing in it isn't taken directly from NWOBHM, the bands within the style may or may not contain Classic Metal influence. At The Gates is a good example of not using those styles of riffs, having been one of the pioneers of Melodic Death Metal.

BACK TO TOPIC,you also, once again, suggest that they only contain Metalcore and Thrash infuence but are not a true sound of either, and also state they implement prog elements. For this reason alone you should list them as Metalcore/Post-Thrash/Prog if you're going to list them as only Metalcore and Post-Thrash just because they are influenced by those styles.

As for the vocals, I listen to plenty of different sounding vocals and I must once again tell you that it is nearly impossible to mach anyones vocals with a certain style of metal. It normally pretty much boils down to if the singger growls (and/or) rasps compared to clear singing. And yes Randy is growling, he is actually the truest to growling than any other vocalist I have heard for the facts that he doesn't need to scream in order to produce it, and he may fluxuate the pitch as he wants at any moment. We can all agree that the style LoG uses is varied and influenced by many types of metal, but it excedes Thrash and Metalcore. I think our final solution (as opposed to my earlier suggestion of plain "Metal" should be to change thier genre to "Metal (varied, including Death Metal, Thrash, Metalcore, Prog...)"

To show you that it is nearly impossible to pinpoint their style to just Metalcore and Thrash, I'm taking you up on your "reliable cites shall stick" comment. Here are some things that agree with me.

The OFFICIAL LoG website, before you enter and search it in an S.E., labels them as "Death Metal" without suggesting Thrash or Metalcore.

metalundergound.com states on their page for the genre "can best be described as a raw mixture of death and doom metal elements, but that description does not do their sound justice."

metalreviews.com lists Ashes of the Wake as "Aggressive Thrashy Metalcore", As The Palaces Burn as "Aggressive Melodic Metalcore", Sacrament as "Hardcore Death Metal", and Burn the Priest as "Raw Thrashcore with Death Metal Elements".

metalcoven.com only has a review for As the Palaces Burn and does not list the genre but makes two statments, "There are some occassional breakdowns that sound pretty damn metalcore, but they keep the metal at the forefront and don't overdo the hardcore-isms" and "songs will instantly appeal to any fan of melodic death, brutal thrash, or even the Swedish worshiping hardcore"

Also as a last resort, FYE labels the album Sacrament as "Death Metal", the album New American Gospel as "Heavy Metal/Alternative Metal", the album Ashes of the Wake is the same as NAG, the album As The Palaces Burn as "Death Metal", and the self titled album as Burn The Priest is once again "Heavy Metal/Alternative Metal". I do realize that FYE pairs Death Metal with Black Metal mainly because Black Metal is a direct result from Death Metal and is not as detoured from it as much as other subgenres are.

"I do realize that FYE pairs Death Metal with Black Metal mainly because Black Metal is a direct result from Death Metal and is not as detoured from it as much as other subgenres are." You've proven your ignorance. Black metal had spawned unrelated to death metal originally, both prototypes of the two genres existed roughly 1983/4, and both took influence from each other (black metal first wave 1981 being the most influential). I know my metal, so please, this shall be concluded. Good day. --Ryouga 21:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

LoG is definitely not groove metal but at the same time they are niether thrash or metalcore. The vocals are harsher than most vocalists in any type of metal but they are best described as death metal vocals. Vocals also cant be a deciding factor, vocals vary from band to band and in Metal, where most genres use growling or rasping, its too difficult to label anyones vocals to a certain style. Also, metalcore contains plenty of guitars that produce frequent short pauses during the riffs which creates a pretty cool sound but I can only recal the song "One Gun" using it. You also said that looking at the catalog of a genres bands is a good place to reference when trying labeling a genre and listening to bands in there definitely labels LoG as progressive metal, or just plain metal. Epoch of Eternity (first album coming in February I think, you can hear them on myspace) actually sounds like a softer type of LoG although the vocals are different, but its the music thats making the difference here. At the same time Metalcore tends to be more melodic than what LoG demonstrates. You also said that LoG draws influence from metalcore to a small degree. Drawing influence does not merit labeling them as metalcore. Arch Enemy draws small influence from classic metal bands but is not an example of it. By the way, I'm not doing this because I dont like metalcore or something, God Forbid is actually one of my favorite bands. I am doing this, however, because the title of metalcore/post-thrash is misleading. To truely label their genre, LoG must be either Progressive Metal or just plain Metal if an agreement cannot be reached.

Firstly, Arch Enemy's style is the Gothenburg "melodic death metal" style, which, if you knew anything about, basically takes direct riffing from the NWOBHM style ala Iron Maiden. And metalcore doesn't need to be melodic at all, it can be loud and downtuned. LOG has "a little" metalcore influence on the first album, with simply breakdowns to exemplify this, but since have only went further and further into that kind of midrange riffing style (as in, the "poppy" sort of guitar sound that is easier to listen to than, let's say, Slayer). It is not hard to detect if you know your metal very well. Besides, I'll take the Metal Archives' moderators' and a heavy metal editor's opinion over a couple LOG fans' anyday. --Ryouga 22:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Lamb of God is not a progressive metal band -- they just implement some proggy parts. And again, "metal" on its own is not a useful descriptor. The only use for the one word "metal" is to describe a band belonging to various subgenres, and "heavy metal" would be incorrect as well. The band incorporates breakdowns, metalcore style vocals (those are not growls) and the midrange style riffing atypical to many metalcore bands. It is, however, notable that their riffs incorporate the slowed down thrash of bands like Pantera -- I am not arguing this, thus they are not thrash but half-thrash. I used "post-thrash" since that seems to be the preferred term. I care not if want to make it "groove" or "half-thrash," as they are all synonyms. Furthermore the reliable cites shall stick, and there is no reason for changing the genre other than ignorance. These guys are not "pure metal," neither are they "pure metalcore." But you needn't take my word for it -- simply have a look at the Encycloapedia Metallum, which is one of the best sources for true metal fans. Even rockdetector and the MP3.com editor are smart enough to see the metalcore of their sound. --Ryouga 22:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

LOG is not thrash or metal core. They are simply metal. If you can't compensate their sound, look at their motto. PURE AMERICAN METAL. When a band calls themselves metal, it's a pretty good idea what genre they are. To the person who feels they must sort a band's genre by what a WEBSITE says, you need to open your ears and listen. If you need to be told what genre a band is, you must not live life that much. LOG is simply metal, plain and simple.

I pity you for believing this band to be "Pure American Metal" simply because of their slogan. Slipknot claims to play "metal metal," however, any true metal fan would point you to nü metal. Similar thing with Lamb of God -- they are a borderline metalcore band. I know this, because I know my metal. the citations are simply there to disprove the idiocy of the IP address who constantly attack the page and change the genre to something completely incorrect, such as "Black metal." Now please, stop arguing with what you do not understand, and perhaps in time this page will be unlocked. --Ryouga 22:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

It's pretty agreed that they are NOT death metal, and are post-thrash. They contain metalcore/hardcore influence vocally and instrumentally. If someone disagrees, give a good point before posting here. My reference for metalcore is going to be metal-archives, rockdetector, and the heavy metal editor on MP3.com. --Ryouga 22:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd just like to know why it matters what genre they are.If you like the music then listen to it and stop with these stupid debates.Its just metal,plain and simple.Adding all these stupid subgenres,and trying to classify them to down to thrash/death/metalcore is stupid. Thats one of the most pathetic things about the human race,is the obsession with catagorizing everything so we can feel confortable with ourselves.

It's an encyclopedia. The whole point is to take things and to catagorize and put them in little niches. To complain about catagorization on one of the world's biggest collectives of catagorization is a totally misplaced and useless endeavor. 65.182.52.95 23:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


It would be ridiculous to label them as black metal or death metal. Serious, go listen to those genres. I consider them just metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by XXMurderSoulXx (talk • contribs) 23:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Bio Edit

Took out the first ¶ of the bio because it simply states what is on the Burn the Priest Page. Jman8088 17:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The Metal Genre(s)

I'm not sure that I'd call Lamb of God death metal. Their vocals are closer to most of the modern metalcore and hardcore bands, and they lack blast beats. I'd have to call them metalcore with death metal and progressive metal influences. Although the article says not to confuse them with metalcore because their vocals are growled, the vocals aren't in the traditional death metal range of low-pitched, sometimes incomprehensible growl. You can clearly understand most of what is said.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.218.182.32 (talk • contribs)

Change Slayer and At The Gates to metalcore while you're at it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.24.28.103 (talk • contribs)

The article states both that they are metalcore, and then that they're not. I'm not sure which they are, but in the interests of the article not contradicting itself, either the bit in the header paragraph or the one in the article body should be changed. --152.23.98.33 21:06, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the above statement. For what it's worth, the members of the band call it thrash metal and nothing else. I have a hard time calling it thrash or metalcore, and it's certainly not death metal (although it contains clear death metal influences). BNR Metal calls it a blend of thrash metal, death metal, and grindcore. In light of the new metalcore label, however, I would say that they are a combination of thrash metal, metalcore, and death metal. I think that in that way, we do the band justice by not over-simplifying our analysis of their sound, and I have changed the article to reflect this. In the last few years it has become increasingly difficult to categorize metal bands, as they frequently mix and match aspects of several genres together. If there are any further opinions, I would be happy to hear them so long as they are backed up in a reasonable manner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.126.174 (talk • contribs)


I really do not hear what makes them a metalcore band. The genre has always been a said marriage of metal and latter-day hardcore, and Lamb of God don't use much breakdowns, or have much else in common with hardcore as much as Unearth, Darkest Hour or Killswitch Engage do for example. I'd say they're an amalgamation of traditional death metal, melodic death and thrash but they really don't fit into any of them in particular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rp81 (talk • contribs)

I don't hear much thrash in their sound. Not to cause any trouble or anything, but I've never really met anyone that referred to them as thrash that actually listens to more thrash than just the big four. They usually have two or three songs per record that sound like At The Gates / The Haunted (both of which are melodic death metal bands) but as a whole their music is oriented around that perpetual groove, kind of like Pantera / Meshuggah. There are no thrash beats on the drums or really that many thrashy riffs. Their vocalist employs a throaty shout that is heard in the hardcore / metalcore MTV bands. Compared to most of the Bay Area thrash bands and German thrash bands I hear little connection between the two. A common argument that I keep seeing is that people are insisting that they're calling themselves thrash, but their biography on their website refers to them as prog twice, and thrash once, "The Virginia-based progressive metal quintet agrees this is its most natural sounding album", "We play music that straddles the line between prog and traditional rock", and "We'll always be a thrash metal band." While I think they're influenced by thrash (as well as melodic death metal) I think that the Groove metal label works much better than any of the others. 66.114.138.157 20:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I tend to agree. They really don't solidly fit into any single category, though it's apparent that they carry influences from multiple different genres. I think they fit into groove metal the best, but do remember that groove metal is a subgenre of thrash. Rishodi 21:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Lamb of God is a post-thrash metal band and have very little, if any, hardcore in their sound. Some might say the occasional breakdown makes them metalcore, yet Amorphis, Corpse Vomit, and other death metal bands have made use of this technique, so that's nonsense. And anyone into extreme metal knows not all bands use blastbeats (also found in hardcore) or guttural vocals. Jon138 03:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree the vocals are definitely not hardcore or metalcore. His voice sounds closer to slayer if you ask me. I usually dig metalcore vocals and i can't hear a similarity between his. They are also reminiscent of pantera more than anything.

Randy's voice sounds like anything but Slayer. With Slayer, he just yells. In Lamb of God, its a sort of growly-scream thing of which I do not know the name. Pants 3000 20:47, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I thought LOG were NWOAHM. Is there a NWOAHM page? --Fukhed666 09:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

There was an NWOAHM page but it got deleted (and was recreated later and again deleted, I believe) Kameejl (Talk) 09:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

killidelphia cd

someone should write about the new audio cd version that's coming out on december 13 2005 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.66.188.94 (talk • contribs)

maybe once it comes out, somebody will ^_^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.218.182.32 (talk • contribs)

Progressive?

The article indicates elements of progressive music. But where? It's just thrash, really. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.131 (talk • contribs)

groove metal?

Is there any consensus here that this article should be listed as groove metal? It seems to keep getting bounced in and out of that list, and I don't know enough about them to render an opinion. -- nae'blis (talk) 14:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I think they should only be listed as groove metal, if metalcore is because of the vocals being hardcore-influence, then I disagree with that, because the genre of the music can't be based solely on the vocals.Theunknown42 14:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=59 ^_^

They are called metalcore because in almost every song they have a slower "mosh" part, which is a common trait of metalcore.

Groove metal = Post thrash = Half thrash. The label used doesn't make a difference, people just seem to "prefer" post thrash. And as the other guy said, the breakdown/mosh is a common trait of metalcore, as well as the midrange riffing. --Ryouga 02:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Genre

They should be listed as Groove Metal or Post-Thrash because those two are interchangble genres. Their vocals are Metalcore/Death Metal and a few times he does Black Metal scream (but not enough so we can label him as that). The guitars are a hybrid of Metalcore and Groove Metal, the bass is to, and the drums are Thrash. So Groove Metal is the best term.

Ok dont know very much on working with Wikipedia so pardon if this is not in the correct form. First, I dont think you can define LOG as metal core or thrash metal, metal core is to light for LOG (as in most metal core drums, guitars etc. are more simplified then LOG, not a bad thing, just needed in defining the genre) Second, although LOG lyrics concentrate on universial issues much like some punk rock (war, religion) the beat of the music is not the same a metalcore. Third, LOG is not typical to thrash metal because, it does not have a simple thrash drum beat and simple thrash guitar. All instrumental work is very very technical, and hard for the average musician.

  • As far as genre goes my inclination is strongly towards death metal for Lamb of God. Personally I'm not sure I agree with groove metal, but that much I can accept. However, I do think it should be stated more explicitly in the article that there are strong death metal influences there. Bear in mind that grindcore is a separate genre, and as such something doesn't have to sound like grindcore to be considered death metal. Prophaniti 14:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
As to the author of the first post, the individual instruments and efforts don't make a band anything at all. The band as a unit is what gives the band it's designation. That said, I think that some sort of progressive thrash metal would be most accurate, with perhaps death metal and metalcore influences. 65.182.52.95 23:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The stuff of New American Gospel is very metalcore to me especially black label. Sacrament is more of an "almost proper" Groove Metal Sound. So i dont see why people are removing the metalcore label. Darryl87 22:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

The metalcore label is removed all the time for no reason, but I try to keep the genre at the most accurate "groove metal/metalcore" or "post-thrash/metalcore," which mean the same thing. --Ryouga 21:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Bogus Quotations?

What's the deal with 2 separate people allegedly saying the exact same thing:

"We play music that straddles the line between prog and traditional rock. I think we make prog-rock more listenable without cheapening the progressiveness of it. The complexity of our music appeals to people who like technical playing, but the arrangements are not so extreme that they fly over the average listener's head. It's a good balance." —John Campbell, Lamb of God biography (Lamb of God (band))

We play music that straddles the line between prog and traditional rock. I think we make prog-rock more listenable without cheapening the progressiveness of it. The complexity of our music appeals to people who like technical playing, but the arrangements are not so extreme that they fly over the average listener's head. It's a good balance. ” —Dave McClain, Machine Head Diary (Machine head (band))

(accordingly, this question will be posted verbatim in both talk pages)

--srostami 06:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

oeps, my bad... fixed MH article. Thanks, I made a mess when I tried to improve the MH quote layout. Emmaneul (Talk) 00:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Post-thrash changed to Groove metal

Since post-thrash is the same genre of groove metal, it should be changed back to groove metal because people that don't know post-thrash is the same as groove metal would be confused and actually think its thrash.

That would be their own fault. Not a good reason for changing it. Although either is correct, what is annoying is the constant removing of 'metalcore.' If you cannot see why LOG is metalcore, you need to listen to more metal. --Ryouga 04:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually post-thrash is groove metal, but with more thrash influence and is more riff-oriented. In other words it's groove metal that is borderline thrash, but not quite thrash. The only reason they are grouped together is because the difference between the two is not significant enough for each to have it's own article. Try giving the listed albums a spin to see if you notice the differences. Both genres nevertheless, groovy :)

post-thrash

groove metal

With regards to Lamb of God, I'd say post-thrash is the more appropriate term since most of what I've heard was riff-oriented. --Pasajero 10:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The bottom line is it doesn't matter that much, typically the terms are synonymous, as the case with both LOG and pantera. A lot of times you'll see a band called "post-thrash/groove" because they imply basically the same thing. I personally just think "Post thrash" sounds better than "groove." The "thrashier" groove metal is usually called 'groove/thrash' or etc. Ditto for half thrash. Like I said, it doesn't make a phenomenal difference. --Ryouga 21:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

genre

I will listen to Lamb of God no matter what genre people label them as. This being said, Lamb of God is pure american metal, plain and simple.

Lamb of God is NOT metalcore. They are a thrash/groove metal band more than anything. As someone said above, the beats and tempo and overall sound of Lamb of God isn't metalcore.

name

So is this a christian band or what? Because if not, they should change their name...sounds like a religious band to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.23.168.20 (talk • contribs) 11:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

Far from it. Their name is a sort-of ironic sarcasm from what i can tell.

Moved from Lamb of God Christianity page

Knowing nothing of the band, I don't know what to do with this, I only know it doesn't belong in the article about Jesus:

Latest Album
There is a new album out in stores today, known as Burning In Hell. This release follows after Burn The Priest. The Church Of England have commented on the latest album, saying it is a sign of homosexuality.

--WWB 16:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Everything but thrash

Lamb of god thrash man? sorry, but even if they rock (and they do) theyre not thrash, theyre metalcore, but like no other metalcore band, those guys rock, even if theyre NOT THRASH

A band can label themselves whatever they want, but that doesn't make it true though. DevilDriver often poses as death/black when it's obvious they aren't. Lamb of God does the same thing, but with the "thrash metal" genre. From what I've heard, Lamb of God sounds more like groove metal than anything. --Pasajero 22:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Removed 'Former members'

Abe Spear was never a part of Lamb of God, only Burn the Priest. JMan8088 03:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

What the fuck. LoG Thrash? Failure. They are clearly Groove/Metalcore. If you can't see the metalcore breakdowns in their song then you're obviously a retard

Name change

I'd like to know when and why they changed their name from "Burn The Priest" to "Lamb Of God". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.160.106.65 (talk) 15:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC).

They did and that's all that really matters. --Ryouga 19:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually its a gaping hole in the biography section that should be filled. --Patrick Berry 17:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

They changed their name because Abe Spear 'technically' owned part of BtP, so he could sue for preformance of any BtP songs in a LoG show. JMan8088 02:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Heavy metal has been sited many times also so please add that to it even there EP and some shirts say Pure American Metal so that I would say is proof enough. Skeeker 07:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Genre / Edit War

I was made aware of the edit war by Skeeker, so I did some research:

http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,5087.sm -> Metalcore/Groove Metal/NWoAHM
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=59 -> Groove Metal/Metalcore
http://www.last.fm/music/Lamb%20of%20god -> metalcore/thrash metal
http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/lamb_of_god -> death metal, thrash metal, heavy metal, groove metal, metalcore
http://www.bnrmetal.com/groups/log.htm -> Death Metal , Thrash Metal
http://books.google.com/books?id=uIIf03bGyAAC&pg=PA192&ots=ZxLUYnWraL&dq=lamb.of.god+burn.the.priest&sig=ia7jXcDCo7_x4RcKjcHqJS5neis -> NWOAHM


Prosthetic Records: http://www.prostheticrecords.com/bands/lamb_of_god/1.php "As The Palaces Burn delivers the violent blend of thrash, death metal and groove their fans have come to expect, but is poised to blow a new set of minds with the infusion of more melody"

Epic Records LoG site: http://www.lambofgod.tv/ "The Virginia-based progressive metal quintet agrees this is its most natural sounding album."

Allmusic, albums
New American Gospel
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:0jfyxqukldse -> Alternative Metal/Death Metal/ Black Metal/Heavy Metal

As The Palaces Burn
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:dzfexq8aldhe -> Death Metal/ Black Metal

Ashes Of The Wake
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:fifwxqtsld0e -> Alternative Metal/Death Metal/ Black Metal/Heavy Metal

Sacrament
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hxfexqudldse -> Death Metal/ Black Metal / Metalcore (in article)


Metal Observer, albums
New American Gospel
http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=1&id=3705 -> Death Metal

As The Palaces Burn
http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=1&id=3233 -> Death Metal

Ashes Of The Wake
http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=1&id=7134 -> Death Metal

Sacrament
http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=1&id=11075 -> Metal


summary:

Alternative Metal 2x
Heavy Metal 3x
Death Metal 10x
Metal 1x
Metalcore 5x
Groove Metal 4x
NWoAHM 2x
Thrash Metal 4x
progressive metal 1x

So, the genres I found the most are: Death Metal, Metalcore, Groove Metal, Thrash Metal, Heavy Metal

I'd say they are metalcore and groove metal with death and thrash influences.--Emmaneul 13:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I think its fine the way it is/was. Inhumer 17:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Lamb of god NOT METALCORE for a few reasons: Drummer Chris Adler uses polyrhythms in his drumming that are not present in metalcore. Singer, Randy Blythe, incorporates more than one vocal style that includes high pitched screams and mid to low growls. Metalcore commonly incorporates either one type of growl that may be complimented with clean vocals. Randy Blythe does not use clean vocals. Many of their songs do not contain much melody or conventional song structure. There is an elements of progressive here. This is present in [As the Palaces Burn] and [Ashes of the Wake]. As such, metalcore is not known for being progressive and will usually contain traditional melodic passages.

As I posted above, there are many sources proving the opposite of what you are saying here. If you can come with sources proving the points you mention I would accept them (but you probably can't because these "rules" are non-sense). Metalcore is a fusion genre of metal and hardcore and contains many different sounding bands, from Killswitch Engage to Ion Dissonance and from Burnt by the Sun to Caliban. Emmaneul 21:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Any of those pages calling them Black Metal should be ignored, I mean what the... (But they're Metalcore.) ≈ Maurauth (nemesis) 07:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Allmusic is a very respectable website with a lot of good genre information but when it comes to metal they don’t use a lot of different tags. When they consider a band to be death metal they use the tag “Death metal/Black metal”. Black metal bands also get the “Death metal/Black metal” tag. But the reviews are often very clear. I see the tags as DM considering LoG.

Can't save the page due to links that are now blacklisted... ≈ Maurauth (nemesis) 07:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I think this band is a bit like The Haunted, they are in between a couple of genres. (Melodic) death metal, metalcore, thrash metal are their main influences, I think (and the research I did is backing up these thoughts) Emmaneul (Talk) 19:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I see there is still an edit war going on. Is there a way to end this? Could we just put all the genres in the infobox? (metalcore/groove metal/death metal/thrash metal) Emmaneul (Talk) 22:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


Very interesting, but I am quite knowledgeable on death metal and it baffles me how LoG can be classified as such. There is no use of blast beats or any other key elements of death metal.. I believe the current genre tags work just fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wick3dd (talk • contribs) 07:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Song title punctuation

Yes perhaps I linked the wrong part of the article... try here or here. = ∫ tc 5th Eye 00:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Metalcore?

If LOG is metalcore, im must be santaclaus. Lsiten to thrash and compare it to Metalcore and THEN, to LOG, you will hear that Lamb Of God really play Thrash Metal, Post-THrash morely but no WAY IN HELL, that they play Metalcore. Oh no. Killswitch Engage is morely Metalcore, compare KSE to LOG and thing very hard wich one of thsese really play Metalcore, please do that before you go and put shit like Metalcore on the name of Lamb Of God. They play higly Agresive Post-Thrash, not Metalcore!

Iliputti 00:47, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Metalcore is derived from thrash and hardcore. ≈ Maurauth (nemesis) 14:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

-Sport Metal- Willie Adler said it himself, and anyone who plays guitar and plays LoG songs knows it's pretty damned physical to play some of their stuff. It's metal no matter which way you look at it, metalcore/hardcore/thrash/death/black/nu-metal, who cares? It's metal, damn it! Just enjoy it and quit arguing about it. Oh, and see them live if you get the chance, one of the best live bands I've ever seen (besides Chimaira).

yeah, and Mark Morton said himself or was it Willie, that they play Thrash Metal, in their own site, think about that dude

So what if they call themselves thrash? Look at Fear Factory for example, they considered themselves "extreme alternative", but are they actually? Also just to mention THERE ARE SOURCES THAT CONSIDER THEM METALCORE. I am not going to bother anymore, the sources reason is enough. AKnot 01:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

yeah, Considers, but that doesnt mean they really are mMtalcore goddamnit! Thrash, not Metalcore, its an insult to the band, I say that as a fan so say what you say, they play Agressive Thrash Metal, not some goddamn lame Metalcore! And yeah I know that if band says playing something what they really arent like if Cannibal Corpse plays death metal and they say they play folk, what would it be for example, I know that, but as Willie said about thrash, its the only right. Band may have some influences from Metalcore, but I would NOT even consider to call them Metalcore, that have more influences from Thrash metal when you listen to their music. It may sound like Metalcore when you listen to Randys growlin type of singing, but Its agressive, hard and attacking, the real Thrash voice. The growl may not be the right voice when you sing along, but its very good in LOG's music. Morely I wouldn't say, his voice is Metalcore type, and not probably THE best thrash, but maybe morely a Deaththrash voice dont you think?


Look at this it is stated by Randy himself METAL![1] Skeeker 17:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


Read this. Enough sources that state it's metalcore. Wikipedia is all about sourced information, not about some people's opinion, certainly when these opinions are based on immature fanboy-ism. LoG are considered metalcore amongst other genres like thrash and death metal (read this). Because there are metalcore bands that suck doesn't mean that everything that is seen as an hardcore/metal hybrid and is associated with metalcore is lame (again: read this). By the way, if a great band is called metalcore, then why wouldn't it be metal? And why would that be a bad thing? Please be more open minded. Emmaneul (Talk) 19:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

yes, I READ everything YOU said, but now (read thus) Maybe I am an immature fanboy-ism, but tell me this: what do you think many other fans would say in this, who doeasnt agree this so called sourced information about Metalcore, states LOG into the Metalcore. Dude, I can tell you one thing: band, and its fans know the best by listening to the band and reading about things of the band and its genre more than just some random people who writes here and probably really doenst even give a damn about the band or its genre or anything else but mostly cares about what many so called sources say, think about that will ya? LOG sounds Metalcore, yes, but that doesnt mean they really play it, listen hard and you will hear many other genres in their music suchs as Metalcore. Hoply you understood what I just told you. And remember, even if you find evidence on some site which has some sources to to link LOG to Metlacore, not always the sites are real or trusted, they can be some joke sites or some other thing. When I search things on some site, I firtly always check about the site on somewhere else or ask people about in mIRC or somewhere else, get the point?

and 1 more thing to here: Why would I state LOG in to Thrash or Post-Thrash more than Metalcore? Answer: Morton or was it Willie, said in their site (I already told this here but anyway) that they will always be a Thrash metal band and I agree, because: I love thrash metal, I know everything about it and I sertainly know even by listening to say what band play thrash or not, LOG really makes sense by saying that and confirmes that in their music, THINK ABOUT THAT!

I--->(Your whole base seems to be pretty much "Well it doesn't agree with me so it's wrong). This is reply is to anyone who maybe thinks Im that immature not to admit I would be wrong but:

If you thought same thing about me, youre wrong, and I dont mean the one who wroted that, I mean the people here and everywhere. Im mature enough to say I was rong in something, but in this case, I cant see anything that links me to be wrong. I told you so much evidence and things, everyone: please rad my last text before this and PLEASE, be enough mature to read and think about that before you judge me and then, If you want to say anything, wrote it here, Im listeening and mostly If you REALLY have some GOOD evindence that LOG really would play Metalcore, I would realyl like to see it in here o text it when you have it, I mean that by anybody, who can show evidence that Im wrong. So please do that If you got that proofe, if not and say im wrong without evidence, please, go screwyourself!

"I'd say they are metalcore and groove metal with death and thrash influences".--Emmaneul 13:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC) <-- Nice but, I would say, they are Thrash metal WITH, Death and Groove AND Metalcore influences


I have read your text and the only thing I think now is: where are the sources to back up these opinions?... I've looked up more than a dozen of websites, and no, these sites are not "some joke sites or some other thing".
Like I said "Wikipedia is all about sourced information, not about some people's opinion" even if it's a die hard fan's opinion. Emmaneul (Talk) 09:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I never said I was die-hard fan for LOG, or that you should be taking things so seriously because my opinion. No, its good to have sources, but I didnt here your "sources" ether more than just some websites. My sources are the band, websites and other fans, you?

Lamb of God are not metalcore. Their instruments are too technical and their sound doesnt reflect this. Clearly a groove metal band / heavy metal. <-- I would agree to this too

You don't understand, talking to you is useless...Emmaneul (Talk) 00:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC) Give me a break, do a bit of homework, please read: WP:NOR WP:REF WP:VER WP:SYN#Citing oneself WP:NPOV Emmaneul (Talk) 01:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe, but so is talking to you, you dont have the brains of metalhead to understand what kinf of metal LOG or any other bands play. You probably havent never even listened a minute to a Thrash metal, please do that and stop talking about this sourced crap before you understand the real metal and the real genre to Lamb Of God. They play as aggressive like thrash metal should be, they have the thrash metal kind of singingvoice, they have the speed of thrash, they have violent and attacking stýle in their music and lyrics, guitar solos and lets not forgot about the real Thrash metal guitar riffs. Metalcore has nothing to do about Lamb Of God even it may sound like it has, but a real fan and Thrash and other metal fan and manics really do know what this band plays. If you still dont get it, you havent never listened to real metal or any other metal types ever dude. Listen to thrash metal while you read this and it will help yo, so please do that will ya?

I really dont give a crap about some sources even I do know they are really important, but these like do homework and looking about these links you gave me, I read them and I say this: In wikipedia, Its shouldnt be about sourced information and it should not be so well writed and all, only important thing should be the fact, that the article is really right, not anything else. But remember dude, this is only my opinion ;)

Haha, you talk more about me than about LoG and its genre. I quit. Emmaneul (Talk) 10:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring

Please reach a consensus before making any more edits to the genre section of the infobox. If the edit warring continues, the page will be protected and warriors may be blocked.

Without knowing anything about the subject, if I may offer any input to the discussion, it is that while I don't know of any guidelines about the genre field, in general it is a very good idea to have completely undisputed information such as a broad genre in infoboxes, with issues where there are different opinions discussed fully (with references of course) in the text. JPD (talk) 10:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The Encyclopaedia Metallum and Rockdetector sources, both used to cite groove metal, also cite metalcore; it's kind of biased not to include those. So I put them in along with the citations. Also, the third citation was for metalcore, not groove metal, so I moved that as well. = ∫tc 5th Eye 17:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

old news, but why aint it here? (LA Banning)

i was surprised that this info wasnt included in the Bio about thier banning in LA

back on the Subliminal Verses tour (when LoG was touring with Slipknot) they got banned from a show cause the venue was owned by a bunch of christians

the info is on: (and they do correlate)

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=32360 http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/02/03/165535.php

i dont think im going to tack it on though. i know people knew about this... but why isnt it on the wiki lol 68.252.111.78 18:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

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Metalcore?

Quite obviously NOT metalcore, at all. I say the metalcore tag be removed.

No, sources prove you're wrong. Please read this and this. Emmaneul (Talk) 08:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

In one of the citations you linked, it also says Sacrament is black metal. I put black metal into the info box, and it was removed. Why?

Because you didn't read this part: "Allmusic is a very respectable website with a lot of good genre information but when it comes to metal they don’t use a lot of different tags. When they consider a band to be death metal they use the tag “Death metal/Black metal”. Black metal bands also get the “Death metal/Black metal” tag. But the reviews are often very clear. I see the tags as DM considering LoG.". Emmaneul (Talk) 23:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

For the second time, it would be a very good idea to put only a general description in the genre field of the infobox, that is widely agreed on. Then the text of the article itself can explain which sources consider the group to be metalcore/not metal core, and so on. This would actually be more informative than simply listing some tags and having to go to the footnotes to see who says what. JPD (talk) 11:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

LOG is NOT metalcore

LoG was NEVER considered metalcore until someone on metal-archives labeled them as such, and metal-archives is no more accurate in its descriptions than any single review site. It's just an opinion by one person, and a few other sites follow it because metal-archives is the most popular review site on the net. Actually, most other review sites do not list them as metalcore, so I don't think three review sites are enough to declare a band metalcore when there are hundreds out there that will disagree. I strongly dislike metalcore, and in fact, whenever I hear it I feel like puking, but LoG is a great band to me. So please, allow someone with an actual ear for metal and half a clue to decide instead of going by three measly review sites as sources. Thanks.--69.122.5.180 04:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Let us know when you find sites that explicitly state something like "Lamb of God is not metalcore." and then we'll talk. Your opinions don't matter here. = ∫tc 5th Eye


69.122.5.180, read this, and the rest of this talk page. You're wasting your time. Enough sources that state LoG is metalcore. Like I said before Wikipedia is all about sourced information, not about some people's opinions. You strongly dislike metalcore but like this band? So this band can't be metalcore? That's a very weak argument and proves you don't know a lot about metalcore. Please read this talk page thoroughly. Emmaneul (Talk) 10:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Walls of death>circle pits?

Me thinks not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.67.118.183 (talk • contribs)

Agreed—I was at a show last night and the wall of death was nothing. Although, to include any statement about the intensities of either is clearly original research and needs a source. = ∫tc 5th Eye 15:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

new section for debate

well then perhaps there should be a section of this article that states there is a debate about whether or not the band is metalcore, since there are many people who disagree with the metalcore tag, and plenty of review sites that do not list the band as metalcore.. and to whoever wanted to see a review site that specifically states they are not metalcore, have you ever seen a review site that specifically states britney spears is not hard rock? why even mention something they aren't when it's already obvious? i suggest making a new section for the debate because this is going nowhere and it will be argued for a long time.--69.122.5.180 04:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I don’t think that’s a good idea. I think it’s better to add a well-sourced “musical style and influences” section (like other band articles have; e.g System of a Down, Queen) where we explain the different aspects of LoG’s sound. We shouldn’t point out why LoG isn’t genre X, we should do the opposite and explain why LoG is genre X, Y and Z. Emmaneul (Talk) 13:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge

The information from Burn the Priest needs to be merged into this article since both articles are about the same band. The fact that the band renamed themselves and shed one member does not warrant a seperate article for the old name. They are not different bands and shouldn't not have different articles. Even the genres listed are the same. --Leon Sword 21:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Different bands because: Different members. Different Label. Different copyrights. Different memebers: Chris plays guitar on some songs. Randy isn't even in a most of thier albums. Different label: from legion to Prosthetic.Different copyrights. Abe Spear is in the BtP copyrights. Willie is not. BTW: you obviously have never listened to the bands. You would know the difference if you did. Jman8088 20:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Your argument is not valid because the following reasons: (1) there is only one member that is different (don't try to argue that it's a completely different band because it isn't), (2) bands change labels all the time because their contracts are always temporary, (3) because bands change labels and band members all the time, the copyrights will always belong to different people (do you think Megadeth should have a separate article for every single line-up they have had? No, they shouldn't and no other Wiki article I've seen does this except for this band's article). (4) A lot of the information from Burn the Priest is already merged into this article, this article even says the band formed in 1990 not 1999. By the way, I have listened to the bands and even if their sound was different, that still doesn't justify separate articles because bands also change their sound all the time (Linkin Park changed their sound completely with their new album, but they don't have separate articles). --Leon Sword 21:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I support the merge for the same reasons. I can't think of another band who has two pages like this because of a name change. = ∫tc 5th Eye 21:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Why not merge the articles and just have an "intro" section of sorts by opening Lamb of God's biography with the history of Burn the Priest? Dark Executioner 14:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

This Article Needs Work

This article and it's surrounding articles need work. I would like to know if anyone would like to help out on improving it. I think the goal for every article is FA status, and that would be friggin sweet, but it's got alot of work. Here is a list of stuff that could be improved.

  • The bands biography
  • The members pages
  • The discography page needs work and should have Burn the Priest albums added to it
  • Album pages could use a bit of work
  • The table of the bands equipment needs to be merged on to the members seperate pages
  • And possibly creating articles for noteworthy songs and singles

So anyone could work on this stuff and that would be cool. Skeeker [Talk] 18:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

You're definitely right. I just started out by moving most of the info in the equipment section to the band member pages. However, it is all unreferenced and (imo) pretty messy, though I think we should concentrate on the main article first. I'm going to fix up the discography right now, maybe using Template:Infobox Discography. = ∫tc 5th Eye 18:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Cool, also we should somehow add the Burn the Priest albums on the template for the band. Skeeker [Talk] 21:25, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

You're right about that too—the merge was done very poorly, and none of the discography got merged at all. This is easily fixed, I suppose. = ∫tc 5th Eye 22:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


Genre Debate

I have a solution to the debate. What seems evident to me is that people are arguing their opinions versus sources. At first this seems like it is a breach in conduct condoned by Wikipedia, but it really goes further than that. I believe the metalcore tag should be left in, because there are many documented sources, and they DO make use of frequent break downs and such. However, sources also call LoG death metal. This is where things get tricky. I realized that I (and most of the people who edit the more technical metal pages) know much more about the history and concept of the more abstract branches than most any popular reviewer does. My solution: anything dealing with abstract metal (brutal, technical, blackened death, etc.) or misunderstood metal (death and black mainly) should be checked with what Wikipedia has to say on the issue. Many reviewers are apt to label a band "death metal" because music involves growling and such. If we want to resolved a genre debate like this, why not check what Wikipedia says? It would be ridiculous to have a page on death metal and then have bands that don't fit the page's bill be labeled as such. After doing so myself, I found the current tags work just fine. I encourage you all to visit the metalcore, death metal, and thrash pages.

On a side note, I have had some interaction with the metal archives and have found them to be a completely bogus bunch. It is run by a handful of people throwing their opinions around about what constitutes metal. Also, as it is user edited and without citation, we cannot consider it a reliable source. Thank you, --Wick3dd 18:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this band really an American band? I would have to live in America if there were people like that living there. They are more un-American —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.29.35 (talk) 22:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


"Pure American Metal" is their slogan... Deathwish238 (talk) 11:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Lamb of God is Metalcore and nothing more!

As far as many users last time provided a good sources, Lamb of God is dominantly METALCORE. Only having those influences ranging from thrash, death and progressive they're however just metalcore! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.23.199 (talk) 20:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't disagree with you, their sound is Metalcore, but Lamb of God are widely recognized as a METAL band, they feature in METAL magazines and they won the a METAL hammer award, best live METAL band i believe (correct me if im wrong there), the band labels themselves as METAL....It would be outrageous if you put them as a metalcore band.

So i think that their wide publicity as a Metal band > the fact that they sound hardcore...metalcore...whatever the hell you call it. Matt head16 14:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


Lamb of God is not metalcore. I fail to see how their music is influenced by hardcore punk...the LAST thing Lamb of God would have ever wanted is to be called Metal Core! Period! Metalcore is not even a real genre...there's no definition and wiki doesn't even have a single source citing a definition of metal core. Deathwish238 (talk) 11:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree,all randy blythe does is growl,if you'll look growl and scream are two different things,as i lay dying is metalcore,they are not the same as lamb of god.

Thrash Metal???

Aww cmon. They are clearly not a thrash metal band. A lot of fans here seem to be offended that they are tagged as a metalcore band, but they are at least a lot closer to metalcore than they are to straight up thrash metal. I don't care if there's a citation. Music critics come up with silly things these days, if I wanted to label 3 seconds to mars as a metal band I'd be able to find citations to back it up, but that doesn't make it so. So continue squabbling over the metalcore label if you want, I don't really care, but one thing is for sure, they are NOT a thrash metal band.

160.39.130.95 (talk) 00:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


No, they're not straight up thrash metal...at all. They're influenced by thrash metal, but so is groove metal. Deathwish238 (talk) 11:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


According to sources, LoG is Death Metal. Metalcore is not a genre!

There's all this crying about going with sources. Fine, then label LoG has Death Metal as 10 sources list them as that while only 5 list metalcore and even fewer yet with 4 listing Groove Metal.


Also, for fuck's sake Metalcore is not a real genre. Look at the sources on its wiki page. Oh wait, there are none. Deathwish238 (talk) 12:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Reason, why LoG is called as metalcore: they have a BREAKDOWNS and HARDCORE-shouted vocals. Connection to hardcore and thath does mean they probably qualify as metalcore. And i'm sure, that reason you failed to call em metalcore is because they're not melodic metalcore band like KsE or BFMV, but that DOESN'T mean they're not metalcore at all. Metalcore IS much kore than those emo/gothenburg wannabes, even though it started long before even first melodic death metal bands started to emerging from traditional death metal. And metalcore definitely does exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.6.74 (talk) 14:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


If I have my idea of a breakdown correct, very few LoG songs have breakdowns. I can only think of one off of Sacrement...I can't think of a single other album with a song that has a breakdown. Plus, I have never read that a metal band can't have breakdowns.

Also, what's your definition of "Hardcore Shouted Vocals"? LoG pretty much Growls in all their songs.Deathwish238 (talk) 22:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Metalcore does'nt exist and frankly what some of you think you know about metal makes me laugh out loud. The wikimetal project. what a load of old cock.86.54.82.19 (talk) 19:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC) i have heard them use some screams,and what sounds like clean vocals in redneck,it's very hard to decide what their genre,i'd just get it over with and put them as metal,do we have to list every subgenre?Oh well,after learning the basics of screaming and growling,i can say that randy DOES growl,but he also screams,(It's alot easier to scream their songs than growl them)i still wouldn't put them as metalcore,but they don't sound enough like cannibal corpse and the like to be called death metal.4.235.189.149 (talk) 00:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Infobox

The following code makes the infobox not working:

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It's a refference in Genre. I removed it. If anyone thinks I made a bad move, here's the old infobox (which doesn't work):

{{Infobox musical artist <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians --> | Name = Lamb of God‎ | Img = Lamb of God-0495.jpg | Img_capt = Randy Blythe and Willie Adler at the Download Festival 2007 | Img_size = 275px | Landscape = Yes | Background = group_or_band | Alias = Burn the Priest | Origin = [[Richmond, Virginia|Richmond]], [[Virginia]], [[United States]] | Genre = <!-- DISCUSS before making changes -->[[Groove Metal]<br />]<ref name="MP3.com">{{cite web | url = http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hxfexqudldse | accessdate = 2006-12-30 | author = Christopher Monger, James | title = All Music Guide ''Sacrament'' review | publisher = All Music Guide | date = }}</ref><br /><!-- DISCUSS before making changes --> | Years_active = 1990–present | Label = [[Prosthetic Records|Prosthetic]], [[Epic Records|Epic]] | Associated_acts = | URL = [http://www.lamb-of-god.com/ lamb-of-god.com] | Current_members = [[Mark Morton (musician)|Mark Morton]]<br />[[Chris Adler (drummer)|Chris Adler]]<br />[[John Campbell (bassist)|John Campbell]]<br />[[Randy Blythe]]<br />[[Willie Adler]] | Past_members = Abe Spear }}

Joke (talk) 14:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


That's because the genre wikilink is wrong. But, anyway, metalcore is well sourced and has to stay. Kameejl (Talk) 14:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)