Talk:Lake Oswego, Oregon
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[edit] Artificial lake
Is there some reason why people keep deleting "artificial"? Please just go ahead and put "man made" there instead, and I'll look the other way even though I prefer gender-neutral language. I don't believe "artificial" implies anything negative. Am I missing something? Katr67 06:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps because it implies the lake is entirely artificial. It was a natural lake, but much smaller than the current, hand dug size it is now. Maybe originally 1/3 to 1/5 of its current size, though I haven't studied it since seventh grade. —EncMstr 06:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Well, I don't really care one way or the other (I just changed the original wording), but the current wording "Oswego Lake is a private lake (an expansion of an earlier natural lake...)" with "lake" linking to reservoir (because that is what "artificial lake" redirects to) is a bit muddled and needs explanation. If you find sources for the hand-dug part that would be a very interesting addition to the article. Katr67 07:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- I don';t think that the lake was dug out any further, it was dammed and allowed to rise further in order to create a more scenic shoreline (and cover ugly stumps along the shore). I have a source on this that I will try to get to soon. --Esprqii 13:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I don't really care one way or the other (I just changed the original wording), but the current wording "Oswego Lake is a private lake (an expansion of an earlier natural lake...)" with "lake" linking to reservoir (because that is what "artificial lake" redirects to) is a bit muddled and needs explanation. If you find sources for the hand-dug part that would be a very interesting addition to the article. Katr67 07:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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- The historical society ladies who gave the lecture were quite memorable describing dozens of Chinese slave laborers digging especially the ends of the lake. Just look at the lake when it is drained: West Bay, Lakewood Bay (at the northeast corner), and the southern arms and canals are all uniformly 5 to 10 feet deep and extremely smooth bottomed, obviously artificial. —EncMstr 15:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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- They did dig out a canal from the Tualatin River to the lake, but I don't think they dug out much else, besides perhaps the canal to connect Lakewood Bay (which was originally a duck pond). They changed from a wooden dam to a concrete dam in about 1920, which gave them the ability to better control the lake level. Then they raised the standard level to hide the stumps and create a prettier shoreline. I don't know what makes a lake "artificial." If they removed the dam and closed the canal, a lake, albeit much smaller, would still exist. I just had time to glance at my source this morning (which I think is by one of those historical ladies: Iron, Wood, and Water by Ann Fulton). See also here: http://www.lakecorp.com/watershed.php?PHPSESSID=f935c5285a3e8702f502401deac3466d --Esprqii 17:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Oooh, check out myth #1 here: http://www.oswegoheritage.org/history/mythsmuddles.html --Esprqii 18:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- They did dig out a canal from the Tualatin River to the lake, but I don't think they dug out much else, besides perhaps the canal to connect Lakewood Bay (which was originally a duck pond). They changed from a wooden dam to a concrete dam in about 1920, which gave them the ability to better control the lake level. Then they raised the standard level to hide the stumps and create a prettier shoreline. I don't know what makes a lake "artificial." If they removed the dam and closed the canal, a lake, albeit much smaller, would still exist. I just had time to glance at my source this morning (which I think is by one of those historical ladies: Iron, Wood, and Water by Ann Fulton). See also here: http://www.lakecorp.com/watershed.php?PHPSESSID=f935c5285a3e8702f502401deac3466d --Esprqii 17:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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- The historical society ladies who gave the lecture were quite memorable describing dozens of Chinese slave laborers digging especially the ends of the lake. Just look at the lake when it is drained: West Bay, Lakewood Bay (at the northeast corner), and the southern arms and canals are all uniformly 5 to 10 feet deep and extremely smooth bottomed, obviously artificial. —EncMstr 15:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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(undent) Excellent. Good sleuthing. General hint (mostly directed at User:TruthseekerB44): if you change an article, be sure to use edit summaries to clear up any confusion about what you are doing. Luckily this time our confusion led us to dig up some better sources. :) I don't suppose anybody actually wants to write Oswego Lake, hmmm? Katr67 19:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Yeah, I was thinking we needed a new article, too. I'll try to start one, but I'm not claiming it if someone else wants to beat me to it. --Esprqii 20:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
