Talk:Lajos Kossuth
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Kossuth County named after him and statue of him in front of the court house of said county is a first hand source.
Kossuth made some sound recordings - apparently he is the person in this category whose birthdate is most distant. Any comments?
Jackiespeel 17:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Danube Confederacy
The article did not mention the his plans for the Danube Confederacy. Could anybody write something about it? Laszlo
In his early exile years he wrote about a large confederation of the nations of the Danube valley (with Hungary at the helm). Although in later conversation he admitted himself this plan was tactical at best and he conveniently forgot about it once Hungary's position was better upon the Ausgleich, several Hungarian post-WW1 proponents of more peaceful co-existence of those peoples remembered and forwarded his project later on. This is what I remember but I am just an enthusiast and a reader not a professional historian, so do not trust me too much. varbal 00:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mistake
Iam not sure about magyar descent of Kossut. I know only about Slovak descent from his father side because Zemplin was part of Hungaria with majority of slovaks and in Turiec were not hungarians except officers. And his muther was german. So I would like to see resources where is it written that he had magyar descent. He was only product of Magyarization.
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- He was a Hungarian of Slovak ancestry. The Kossuth family had lived in Hungary and spoken Hungarian for several hundred years. (see: István Deák, "The Lawful Revolution"--good book!) And he considered himself a Hungarian, he spoke Hungarian beautifully (HUGE thanks to whoever put up the link to that sound clip of him, I almost lost my breath when I realized I was really hearing Kossuth's own voice! :)), he fought for Hungary's freedom. One thing that is sort of unusual about Hungary, and that a lot of people don't seem to understand, is that being Hungarian is more based on conviction and loyalty than on actual blood and DNA (and some might say more a state of mind than an ethnicity. LOL) Some of our greatest heroes, whether they are freedom fighters or kings or poets or musicians, came originally from Slovak/German/Croatian/Serbian ancestors, but let no one say they were any less Hungarian than any of "pure Magyar blood." So in response to your request for "resources where it is written that he had magyar descent"--respectfully, sir, that's rather irrelevant. :) K. Lástocska 03:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Essentially there is no such thing as a genetically hungarian person and has not been for hundreds of years. According to modern etnoscience, even when the seven hungarian warrior tribes came in to occupy the Carpathian Basin in 895AD, only some 5,000 people of them were "blood-hungarians", that is directly descended from the finno-ugric ethnic ancestry. They were the chieftains and nobles of the seven tribes and their close families. The commoneers were of most diverse origin, who joined someplace mid-route, turkish, avars, schytes, etc. and a not small part of them were jewish in religion. What held these bunch of people and tribes together was only the hungarian language, which is a weird one and not belonging to the common indo-european cathegory.
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According to modern etnoscience, even when the seven hungarian warrior tribes came in to occupy the Carpathian Basin in 895AD, 40000-70000 of them were "blood-hungarians", that is directly descended from the finno-ugric ethnic ancestry.
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- Some 1100 years has elapsed since and there is absolutely no chance to find a blood-hungarian any more (maybe a very few among the szekler or csango people, who are ancient ethnic hungarians in small minority in present day Romania). So it really doesn't matter what your blood-line is, your hungarian-ness is defined by magyar language and culture. Because hungarian language is strange and very complex to learn, this cathegory is practically good enough. Biggest hungarian poet Sandor Petofi was born to serbian father Petrovich and slovak mother Maria Hruz ... what made him top hungarian poet and hero was his decision to cultivate magyar language instead of slavics, although he was fluent in all three. 212.108.200.69 23:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Editorial about Kossuth in New York Times Oct 31 1851 (pdf)
In the NYT free archives. The same day's paper mentions that he's on his way to England. [1]
Jer ome (talk) 08:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] voice recording
The links to the recording of his voice don't work. Can someone fix them please? K. Lásztocskatalk 00:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
