Talk:Lahore

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Good article Lahore was a nominee for good article, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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[edit] Un neutral History

please please write neutral history. Muslims always say they have created Lahore. There was Sikh Buddhist and Hindu contrubution. Lahore was Hindu/Sikh Majority town until 1947.

No offence all the Buddhists in Lahore and Multan were converted into Islam and taken the control of the towns.

[edit] JINAAY LAHORE NAHIN WAKHIYA WOH JAMIYA HI NAHIN

I have added this recently to the main page here. I was also born in Lahore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammadkidwai (talk • contribs) 00:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Rearranged

I have rearranged all the article according to articles of other international cities so but still it needs more and better qualtity of information

Safiuddinkhan 15:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sikh History

I have put something neutral here but it is fact that sikhs destroyed many momentums of lahore and misused many others and fought with each other until ranjit singh came and in his reign things became stable and tried to remove many things but still many building were still misused . it is not about that they treated muslims bad or hindus and sikhs good . it is that these things happens . in many areas where muslims ruled they misused many hindu and sikh buildings . so plz dont remove this section i have put it from some authentic source put neutrality is disputed sign over it if you dont agree with me. Safiuddinkhan 15:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

really??where are your facts and where is your source???--all bullshit.

btw its Maharaja Ranjit Singh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.98.237.241 (talk) 23:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History Rearranged

I have rearranged the history . Divided it into sections .. dont remove the sikh section . it is a fact that sikhs destroyed many old mughal momentums and what they build was not compare to that of the old mughal architechture but i'll try to add more neutral information or if some one can .i also removed the persian empire thing lahore was never the capital of punjab before late dehli sultantat and mughal perioded and was never under persian empire . they never came east of indus.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Safiuddinkhan (talk • contribs) 13:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Sikh History

We need a section on the Sikh History of Lahore, when it was a capital of the Sikh Empire. There are many famous Gurudwaras (Sikh places of worship) in Lahore proper and environs. This would create a more complete picture of Lahore. Please keep this proposed new section neutral. The goal is NOT to re-visit old fights. Just document history.

[edit] Hindu History

We need a section on the Hindu history of Lahore. Till 1947 Lahore was a Hindu majority town (a fact not known by most people). Let us talk about the culture, temples etc. Please keep this proposed new section neutral. The goal is NOT to re-visit old fights. Just document history.

That's because it is not a fact but a figment of your imagination.


Yes I agree, a section is certainly needed. In fact Lahore was not a Hindu majority town at partition, but most businesses were owned by Hindus. no most hindus were working for muslims once the british came it changed the stole from muslims and handed over there wealth to hindus.

[edit] REQUEST

The famous saying about Lahore is the main thing about Lahore. These sayings are heard by every Lahori who has lived there and I did not make this up on my own so please keep this new section there. You may want to update them if you want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammadkidwai (talk • contribs) 02:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

This is WIKIPEDIA - not Youtube or Yahoo or Geocities or a blog. IF these are famous sayings then provide a reliable source - for example an academic source or a newspaper or a book. It is simply not good enough for you to say that your edit is true. Yey baatan ko koi khas beyan hai ya ney? Green Giant (talk) 02:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Buddhist History

I would like to see the Buddhist history of Lahore. During the time of Ashoka, Buddhism was widely practiced in the region.Are there any monuments remaining? Any artwork? Please keep this proposed new section neutral. The goal is NOT to re-visit old fights. Just document history.

[edit] Lahore fort

Lahore fort is the famous landmark of lahore but its picture is not displayed at the main page of lahore.so i put it there as well as a good picture of lahore railway station —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Safiuddinkhan (talk • contribs) 18:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Todo

  • History
    • pre-1252 history
    • Post-1700 history
  • Demographics
    • age distribution
    • religions
  • Climate
  • Famous Lahorians (sp?)
  • Rule of the Mughals
  • Maps of Lahore


Removed from the article:

[edit] Famous Lahoris

Most of the names in Famous Lahori section do not belong to Lahore. Please dont spread misinformation via wikipedia. I have added the name of governor general of Pakistan (1951-55) Malik Ghulam Muhammad in the list, who was born in Lahore in 1895. M. Imran, 2 February 2006, 11:15 (UTC)

I agree with M. Imran. Please remove names that are not related with Lahore. --Spasage 06:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] REMOVED from Famous Lahoris

Mohammad Waseef Aadil , never heard of him and doesnt seems to me a famous person. Can anyone coment on it? i know him :) if u dun knw it dzt mean dat every 1 dun knwz abt hm Fahadhabib 11:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Shimla Pahari

Tomb of BeBe-Pakdaman

Can anyone substantiate the existence of this tomb, and the veracity of the linked article? -- The Anome 22:36, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

what is the area of Lahore/

Reply This tomb does exist. It is located off of a road off the Durand Road near Shimla Pahari at the end of a tiny street that has such a small entrance that you could easily walk past it and not even realize that at the end of the street is this tomb. But the tomb is very famous in the area and is the cause of much economic activity by people selling flowers and such. Go to Queen Mary College for Women or the Convent of Jesus & Mary, and ask ANYONE where's Bi Bi Pak Daman and he/she will show you the way. The pictures in the Bi Bi Pak Daman article are real and are of the genuine article.


[edit] Mohammadan Anglo Oriental College

The cricinfo article on Dilawar Hussain [1] says that he was the Principal of MAO College in Lahore. I couldn't find the name of the college in the list in the article. Is the college still around ? Tintin 04:56, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the college is very much around. It is commonly called M.A.O. college and very few Lahoris are aware that that stands for Mohammadan Anglo Oriental College!


[edit] Lahore Spelling

I changed the ه in لاهور to a چهوٹى ەے . Also capitalized a few proper nouns and adjectival nouns, like Lahori, which conforms with the wikipedia policy on capitalization. Then added Bapsi Sidhwa to famous Lahoris. Besides Lollywood, a film that had a wider audience - Earth - was set in Lahore. Although I have no idea where it was really filmed. Good luck to anyone with finding any reliable religious demographics, since the Pakistani government is going to pad the Sunni stats. Khirad 23:12, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] pictures

we need tutorials for you guys on uploading images. also - where is Foreign Service Academy? lahore, nei? Shazzamm 16:10, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling of Lahore

Hi, the Urdu version of lahore needs to join the ChoTi he to the vav that is precedes.

[edit] Spelling of Lahore

Hi, the Urdu version of Lahore needs to join the ChoTi he to the vav that is precedes.


[edit] Sites of Interest Section Sorting out

The site of interest in the Lahore article needs to be redone again with subheading such as momuments, parks, shopping, mosques, moseleoums etc with a list under each subheading leading to the articles.

At the moement it is very hard to understand? The information seems to be very mixed up!

Agreed, this section needs to sorting out with proper heading and sections. User talk:Fast track 26 January 2006

[edit] Holidays

What do Eid-ul-Fitr & Eid-ul-Adha have to do with Lahore ? do Lahoris celebrate is different then the rest of Pakistan ?, these two holidays dont seem to be linked to lahore, for example u can say that the horse and cattle show is linked with Lahore, or that basant is very celebrated in Lahore, but the same cant be true for Eid-ul-Fitr & Eid-ul-Adha. These two holidays are mentioned in the Pakistan article. I suggest their removal from this article. Please discuss digitalSurgeon 12:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The LHE-infobox

I have moved the information from the infobox directly into the article so that the infobox can be deleted. Just in case anyone is considering creating new infoboxes, please remember that the purpose of such templates is to share them between several articles. One article having it's own infobox is a waste of wikipedia resources, no matter how unique that article is. Green Giant 16:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The new infobox is called Template:Pakistani Cities which will be used for the major cities of Pakistan. Green Giant 17:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Infoboxes should be called Infobox Something Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rule of the Mughals

The author refers to "south asia" in the article when then better or more accurate term would be "India", "Hindoostan" or "Indo-Pak" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.213.46.131 (talk)

India is a modern country now. and South Asia has never been called Hindustan. How would it me more accurate? Unre4LITY 22:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed one image and put another

I have removed on of the images on this page and put another. The removed image is Image:Mr(1935).jpg and the replaced image is Image:Gawal Mandi.JPG. I removed the picture because it was not of a good quality. --Andy123(talk) 15:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Area

Is there an official source for the 1014 km2 and 404 km2 figures in the article. Geohive.com lists the old Lahore district as 1,772 km2. If the city district and old Lahore district are coterminous, then the area should be updated. My impression is the 404 km2 figure excludes Lahore Cantonment. Polaron 22:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Switching sides of pictures

I have noticed something in this article - all of the pictures are on the right hand side. I think that they should be switched around. This will make the article look more professional. If any new pictures are added, please make them in accordance with the new sides. Thanks. Stallions2010 00:36, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Lots of changes & Improvements to the article done

I have redone the article to improve its quaality;

  1. Infobox images changes from Badshahi Mosque to Minar-ePakistan
  2. Formed paragraphs for many of the sections and removed excessive images that crowded many of the sections
  3. Moved the text relating to the Walled City to the Walled City of Lahore article and added links to the Gates which can be expanded upon.
  4. Made a list of the sites of interest like the Karachi article that should be expanded upon in the articles and not this article!
  5. Combined the Georgaphy and Climate sections and wrote separate paragraphs for each
  6. Combined the Industry and Manufacturing section with the Economy sections as they were talking about similiar things
  7. Festivals and Celebrations are now under the heading of Culture and formed paragraphs for each festivals.
  8. Education and univeristy list have their own article, so if you wich to add more university and colleges to the list add in the appropriate articles.
  9. Transport section, formed paragraphs out of the sub sections and releated it to Lahore and removed the excessive pics in that section.

I shall continue improving this article. Do leave comments about what you think of the changes and recommend any suggestions -- Fast track 02:49 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Improvements made

Add virtual university of pakistan(vu)govt. of pakistan) in universities of lahore.

I've added/replaced some pictures, to help show a better face of Lahore. Some remaining pictures may also need to be changed or added with better ones (such as for the Horse and Cattle Show, airport, parks, stadia and cultural events). Let's try to get the best one's available before inserting them at random. I've also rearranged their alignment to improve the format, as per earlier comment. In the text, I've modified the list of famous roads to make it more complete and informative for a first-time user (otherwise, just street names are useless), and edited the para on the restaurants and food street.

Hope this improves the page. If I've missed out on any copyright info on the images, please provide it so that they are not automatically deleted.

Thanks,

PakBoy

History section

I fixed up the history portion a little. Removed the rudyard kipling reference under history- it was pretty much picked up off the main kipling article and was irrelevant to the history of the city.. if at all it should be mentioned under culture (or the famous lahoris section but that's been removed) but I couldn't really see where it fits in. Also added dates for sikh rule (1799-1849). added cricket world cup in 1996. If anyone has any other ideas for historical events please do add. and someone please fix the Nightlife subheading.. its rather funny but not appropriate.

-R

[edit] Amusement Parks for Youngsters

For youngsters, there is no information on Amusement/Theme parks. Can any body come up with a list and locations. I know of Joy Land and Sindbad that are close to Fortress Stadium. Then there ale Jallo Park and Sozo Park nera the canal Benk (northern part of Lahore) Please let me know others

Enjay

They have been added to the article, thankyou for point in them out. --Fast track 19:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shopping

The Shopping section needs to be re-written, it seems like an advertisment. Also, you can't label restaurants and shops "world class" without citations. Ozzykhan 20:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Administrative Town

I am quite sure that Faisal Town, Wapda Town are not considered administrative towns in the local government setup.Whoever has written this portion has mixed/confused localities with administrative towns.Awais 06:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Love Tale of Ghaznavi and Ayaz

I am unable to figure out the connection between Lahore and the love affair. If someone wants to narrate the connection, one must do it at the articles concerning Mahmood and Ayaz. This article has got nothing to do with King becoming the slave of his own slave and everyhting else. All that is required is the conquest and the appointment of Ayaz as governor. There is no citation for the affair too. I am removing the unrelated passage from the article.voldemortuet 20:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too many photos

There are too many photos on the page, some of them don't deserve to be there, many are clogged up at the bottom, I'm removing some of them, the rest need to be arranged as well. 68.50.130.37 06:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

e.g. "A shopping mall in downtown Lahore", "The magnificent Catholic Cathedral built by the British" 68.50.130.37 06:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA review

Article is well organized into good sections. Prose looks good overall. However, there is a serious lack of reference citations. For an article this long, it only has five citations, which is insufficient. I could list specific items that need cited, but it's really most of the article, so that's pointless. WP:CITE would have some useful information in how to format and use inline citations.

The 'sites of interest' and 'other sites' sections are also just lists. These sections should be written out as prose. I would also recommend combining these sections, and possibly including them as a subsection under 'culture', since they're primarily cultural attractions. The 'Lahore in literature' section might also be moved to a subsection under 'culture' as well, possibly creating a new section for 'in popular culture', containing other pop culture, music, song, and other literature references.

The long list of business in the economy section would probably also be better if it was moved to a separate page (e.g. List of Businesses in Lahore) and linked as a see also at the end of the section.

The 'external links' section is a bit long, and several links could probably be removed. You might find it useful to review WP:EL here.

The good article criteria can be found here. Good luck! Dr. Cash 19:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Preservation of Architecture

"Due to Lahore's rich history, the Mughal and colonial architecture has still been preserved in all its splendour." This does not make sense anyone know what was meant? Thehalfone 20:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe something like "Mughal and colonial architecture belonging to Lahore's rich history has still been preserved in all its splendour." --Webkami 12:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unreferenced Sources/Grammar

This article needs to cite its sources. I tagged it three days ago, but since then the banner has been removed. I am re-tagging the article for citations, and I will use the "citation needed" note wherever sources are not cited. If we want to make this a good and later a featured article, we will have to cite our sources.

Also, the grammar and spelling of this article are not very good. I'm tagging the article for this, too.

If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

--Stallions2010 20:31, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] The History Section

Why is the history section so long when it already refers to a main article?. I think it should be trimmed down to two or at most three paragraphs and something also should be done about those images. The are not serving any real purpose.  UzEE  05:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Climate

The climate section suffers from two problems - first of all, the average temperatures are completely incorrect, according to Climate Zoneand Weather Base - however, bizarrely enough, Weather Base is cited for the chart. Additionally, the graph (which has the correct temperatures) overlaps the incorrect figures - I'm not sure the article can be rearranged to fit it in as long as the chart is there. I'm changing the monthly chart to conform with the Weather Base numbers, and I'll leave the graph alone for now - perhaps someone else can find a way to fit it.

Bob19191 (talk) 23:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)