User talk:Lady Aleena/Television/Crossovers

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The purpose of this article is to bring together all of the series which are part of the same shared reality through spin-offs and crossovers. I am hoping that by bringing this to the attention of all of the relevant series will bring others to help make this a good article which can be placed in article space upon its completion. Please help me get this right. - Thank you User:Lady Aleena

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[edit] Response to message on Talk:Full House

I know about there being a 1991 Full House/Family Matters crossover (Stephanie Gets Framed; Urkel's appearance); and as your main page stated, there was a Hanging with Mr. Cooper/Full House crossover, but I can't think of any others and to my knowledge; there were no spinoffs (which is a rarity for a show running as look as Full House did). WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 16:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Those crossovers are in the article already. - LA @ 16:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Crossover page

If you want something like this on Wikipedia you should read WP:OR, as it seems like the entire article is simply original research, conjecture and supposition with little basis. Sorry to say. Canterbury Tail talk 17:28, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I was going to say the same thing. You will need to find a lot of citations. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Which you do have. The question, then, is whether the article would have any new info, or would a Category suffice? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Baseball Bugs...A category won't work as it would not explain the crossovers. - LA @ 13:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure what's to explain. Direct spinoffs are typically already covered in the articles. Crossovers often are covered also, including some inside jokes such as the ending of Newhart that refers back to his previous series. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Most of the article's referencing is from a single Web site, and the source is not reliable. Hate to say this, but I'd deep-six this project. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
SchuminWeb...You are encouraged to improve this article. Find better sources if you don't think that the one I am using isn't good enough. I used that one since it is notable by being referenced off the web in several print publications. - LA @ 13:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Since you're the one that wants this article, it would be best if you found the appropriate sources. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I only have a dial-up connection, so I need others to do the searching for me since most websites these days take so long to load. I need help here...that is why I asked for it. I want this article to work, but my interest is just the crossovers, not the reasons behind them. I was hoping to find other people to help me with the material that would make this an article to put into article space. That is why I spent almost 2 hours posting messages on the talk pages of the series in this article. I have spent a week writing what is currently there. I am hoping to find people who are willing to put in the same kind of time. - LA @ 15:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The reliance on a single website that appears to be just some anonymous guy's opinions is liable to sink this potential article. Some might even raise the possibility that the purpose of this potential article is to promote that website. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I intend on adding another reference to a good portion of the crossovers. - LA @ 15:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I have read that, and I did not do the research into the crossovers. I have a source for them which is referenced throughout the article. I will be adding more sources. - LA @ 18:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
There's a difference between true crossovers and "inside jokes" or "self-references". Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey. If I'm new to this how do you explain it? What's a crossover? How does that work? Is there an example? Please explain. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 08:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Have you never watched a television series where a character or concept from another series was used? - LA @ 13:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

There is also a lack of context. There's a reason that this kind of thing is done, and often that reason is simply to promote another show, usually on the same network. For example, Andy Griffith wasn't really a Danny Thomas spinoff, but rather the Andy Griffith pilot was set up as an episode of Danny Thomas. The two shows arose from the same production company, and this one episode was the only "crossover" that the two ever had. Gomer Pyle, however, was a direct spinoff of Andy Griffith. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Passions

Passions tends to borrow elements from all sorts of popular culture sources, but it would be wrong to say it is a spin-off of or shares the universe of Bewitched or any thing else. In fact, the show is so inconsistent, it hardly shares the same universe with itself episode to episode let alone with another show. -- Dougie WII (talk) 18:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

On this note, Buffy can't be in the same universe as Passions. Spike watches it on tv. I understand the reasoning behind the connection, but I personally feel that Spike watching something on tv would sever any link between the two. (And while I do rather appreciate this article, I have serious doubts as to how long it would stay in articlespace. It seems very well referenced, but that's not good enough for some people here so it'd probably get deleted. I like this article, though. Interesting as all get-out.) Howa0082 (talk) 19:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Howa...I know that Spike and Joyce watch a television series called Passions, but is it Passions? There are plenty of other continuity problems like this, but the crossovers are still valid. Ianto or Owen on Torchwood mentions CSI, yet CSI exists in this shared reality. Tim Allen appeared as himself on The Drew Carey Show, but so does the fictional television series Tool Time from Home Improvement. A little fun to add to this, Jean-Claude Van Damme appeared on an episode of Las Vegas and gets killed. So, he is dead in this entire shared reality. :) - LA @ 13:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't watch Buffy, but I have heard there are characters there that watch Passions. There is also a character named Spike in Passions, but it's not the same person. -- Dougie WII (talk) 14:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
As an aside, people on Passions have been known to watch Passions on television themselves, see Passions#Breaking the fourth wall. -- Dougie WII (talk) 21:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

You should also see Tabitha Lenox#The Bewitched Connection if you want to somehow tie the shows together, there is some information there. -- Dougie WII (talk) 21:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

This article, at present, appears to be a list of trivia that will likely meet with deletion if it enters the article space. My advice: try to focus on an encyclopedic treatement of the topic - in other words, discuss these "crossovers:" why did they happen? What were their cultural significance? Why do they matter? What was the context? - Chardish (talk) 00:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Can you please do that? I have no idea where to start looking for that information. Since you do seem to have the interest in those subjects, between "The story" and "The list" start a few new sections; "Reasons(?)," "Culteral significance," and something for the third and fourth items that you mentioned. I still have a lot to do with referencing things in "The story" part better. - LA @ 11:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I'm not terribly interested in helping with this. I'm just giving you a heads-up because you solicited help on a talk page for an article I am interested in. Also, that one website you source for the vast majority of these things looks fairly dubious. See especially self-published sources. Happy editing. - Chardish (talk) 13:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with Chardish's first comment above. The phenomenon of crossovers is certainly interesting, as a marketing tactic to attract viewership to new shows... such as the redheaded doctor leaving Grey's Anatomy and "starting her own practice." (Which, if you didn't mention it in the "article," has at least one very similar precedent in multiple shows spinning off from M*A*S*H.) Or, for example, I admit that the only reason I started watching Melrose Place was that the first episode had the actress who played Kelly in Beverly Hills 90210 appearing as the same character. Skimming your article, LA, I see a conflation of literary allusions from one show to another (the Medium example strikes me as particularly thin) vs. true spin-offs or crossovers (which I think are different phenomena) in which the same performer as the same character appears in a more than one show. As a pure list of trivia, this article doesn't seem like it deserves to survive (sorry), but if there isn't already a wikipedia page dedicated to the various flavors of "shared universe" in television (and perhaps other media! a few books spring to mind!) then that's definitely a great direction for this page to go. --68.55.183.230 (talk) 02:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
In regards to Greys Anatomy and Private Practice, they haven't crossed into this shared reality just yet, just with each other. There is a claim that Beverly Hills 90210 is connected to this reality, but I am still looking for a second source for it. - LA @ 13:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article direction

Saw your post on The Practice talkpage, and I'm just here out of curiousity really (don't think I can be that much help) - but what exactly are you trying to achieve here; this looks like an article on I Love Lucy spinoffs -- what does that have to do with something like The Practice? On your post on the talkpage of The Practice you implied the article would be about all series in the same universe - but that's not what I see in this article Rfwoolf (talk) 15:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The organization of the article is poor, for sure. But that can be remedied if it's deemed to be worth keeping. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Here is the connection: The Practice spun-off from Boston Legal which has a mention of Melville's restaurant from Cheers which spun-off Frasier which mentions the comic strip from Caroline in the City which had an appearance of Chandler Bing from Friends where the character Phoebe Buffay has a twin sister Ursula Buffay on Mad About You which had an appearance of Alan Brady from The Dick Van Dyke Show which had an appearance of Buddy Sorrell from The Danny Thomas Show whose characters made an appearance on the The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour which spun-off from I Love Lucy. - LA @ 15:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
This is sounding like it needs to be lumped in with "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon". Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Think Gospel of Matthew Chapter 1 of the Bible instead. - LA @ 19:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Then you need to provide some references that are Gospel. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I did not clarify that, but I got distracted by something here. I was just referencing the writing style of this article, not the significance. I hope I didn't offend anyone, and if I did, I hope they see this apology. (tangent) I read that chapter and after decades of life, finally realized that Matthew followed the wrong ancestry. - LA @ 19:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Not offended, but not following what you're getting at, either. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 20:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
It is a dry bare bones listing of things connected to each other without much else. That book does not go into other details such as who the mothers were. Basically it goes A begot B, B begot C, C begot D, D begot E, etc etc etc. It takes a breather every 14 generations. This is a map of all of the connections between the series, with links to the series which will hopefully provide more information. This article will hopefully contain links to the exact episodes involved, but some series don't have articles on all of the episodes yet, so the article will lead to the lists of episodes, or just to the main series article if the series does not have a seperate list of episodes (most series with less than a season won't have a seperate list). (As an aside, could we just continue this in the next section to keep everything together?) - LA @ 23:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
This page would presumably be a "spinoff", so to speak, of I Love Lucy, right? Because if you were to tackle this for all of television, you wouldn't have an article, you'd have a book! Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Basically yes. This article would be a "See also" in the various series "Spin-offs," "Crossovers," or "Spin-offs and crossovers" sections. Each series would have the direct crossovers in them, however, they could reference this for all the 2nd+ tier crossovers. So, I Love Lucy would have The Danny Thomas Show crossovers in it (and vice versa), and after the crossovers for I Love Lucy are discussed, there could be a See also: this article. This article is the hub for all of the crossovers within this shared reality with the individual series discussing their direct crossovers.
I have been adding a lot of references to IMDb. I have the last section to go before the IMDb referencing is done. - LA @ 17:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This is fun, but silly; it would never survive as an article

You've got a mixture here of genuine spin-offs, inside jokes, pop culture references, and downright nonsense. It may be fun, but it's never ever gonna be encyclopedic. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid I have to agree Orange Mike, I don't see how this could survive an AfD if it became a mainspace article. -- Dougie WII (talk) 17:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
If I get enough help to make it work as a mainspace article it would. I can't do this alone and don't want to. Isn't there anyone else who likes this enough to really give it a chance by adding what needs to be added to make it at least a B class article? - LA @ 18:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
(1) It needs to provide additional and verifiable information that the individual articles do not necessarily have; (2) there needs to be some appropriate context and cited definition of just what "crossover" means, as per Orangemike's concerns; and (3) since it's your vision, you need to do the primary work on it, you can't expect someone else to do the work. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I already have a link to the crossover article, or do I need to repeat what is there?
Give me an example where there is no context, please. I have plenty of context as far as I can tell. "Series A is connected to Series B because of X" should be enough context if I am understanding you correctly.
I was hoping that others would share my vision and contribute, since my dial-up connection limits me. Most sites these days are so heavy that it takes up to 5 minutes for some sites to load. - LA @ 20:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Aside from just linking to the "crossover", you need to explain more what the scope is. To give some literary examples, Tom Sawyer shows up in Huckleberry Finn. That's true crossover. There is true crossover in Kurt Vonnegut's novels also. By contrast, The Pirates of Penzance at one point refers to H.M.S. Pinafore. That's not crossover, as I see it, that's just an inside joke or self-reference. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 20:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I am doing what you are suggesting. We may have to take this sentence by sentence to find out where I am not doing that. - LA
Also Ally is not crossover, it's the same show as Ally McBeal reconfigured. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 20:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
IMDb has them listed as seperate entities. - LA @ 23:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The wikipedia article has Ally as a footnote in the Ally McBeal article, presumably because there's almost nothing to say about it. It was a grand total of 10 episodes, constructed from already-aired footage interwoven with some deleted scenes. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] crossovers

Las Vegas has direct crossovers with nbc's Crossing Jordan with the 2 main characters from CJ coming into Las vegas throughout 4 seasons. Heroes, Knight Rider 2008 film both have come to the las vegas casino, but they DO NOT interact with any of the characters from las vegas, since they're temporary there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.200.66 (talk) 13:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I know, I will get to that shortly. :) - LA @ 17:20, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] OR

I think this article is a lot of OR and will probably be tagged severely once it is complete and added to wikipedia. Firstly, like a user said before, a lot of shows do not have direct crossovers, but rather a network is self-promoting its own new programming within another popular or similar program. a lot of times, the showrunners for these seperate shows have nothing in common. it is just something that networks do because they control the content above the writers and showrunners. secondly, i see a lot of citations, but i dont beleive they all verify the claims. You would need actualy quotes or articles from the producers or showrunners saying that the series are in the same fictional universe, rathing than just stating that a character from another show appeared in a show on the same network. this article will be tagged for sure. lots of original research to me. i also dont see the importance of this article in the scoop of an encyclopedia. i moreso just see a big page full of trivia, and that is discouraged in wikipedia. you probably need to attach this attempted article to an appropriate wikiproject and see what the project has to say about it, although i am not sure what project would be interested a crufty article such as this. sorry if i am coming off rude or mean...just stating my opinion...lol (smile)--ChrisisinChrist comments and complaints here! 04:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

How many times will I have to say that I haven't seen every series in this article. I have only seen one series above the Law & Order heading Cheers and there are around 40 series after the Law & Order heading I haven't seen. So how could I be accused of original research when I am totally dependent on another source? Also, this article is about what happened on the screen, not what happened behind the camera. If a studio forced a crossover of a series with another series on the producers/directors/etc, it is still a crossover, no matter what the latter group wanted. If a producer/director/etc. sneaked a minor crossover into a script against the wishes of the studio, it is still a crossover.
From the length of your statement, I feel that you may be upset that a series you like is here in the first place and do not want this article to show the connections as they appeared.
I would go to a WikiProject, but most of them are unresponsive. That is why I asked for help on the 150+ talk pages of the series in this article instead. Since the crossovers happened on the screen and are part of the visual and aural record for as long as the recordings of the series last. The article covers the one shared reality of which 160 television series are part. That is a lot of scope.
If I liked all of the series in this article, it might be considered cruft, but I loathe the very existence of several series in the article. They were still included for completeness. - LA @ 16:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I think people are just trying to be helpful giving you their opinion that this subject matter itself just doesn't seem encyclopedic. No matter how much work is put into it, it will probably be deleted if added to the article mainspace. -- Dougie WII (talk) 16:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You are free to finish the article if you like, but trust me...once this article is posted, I garuntee it will be tagged like crazy and challenged for verifiability. This article just isnt encyclopedic and doesnt belong on wikipedia. crufty if you ask me. dont waste your time. once it post, i will probably be one of the first to challenge it. i am just trying to help. this article needs to be shut down. it just has no barring on wikipedia. cruft and original research. sugar it up if you want to, but we all know what it really is. you invited 150 plus people to this forum, so you should be prepared to hear what we all have to say. the good and especially the bad...becuase the bad is greater than the good...in my opinion of course.--ChrisisinChrist comments and complaints here! 07:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

What do I need to do, get screen shots of every connection to prove that the connections exist? If this is cruft, then half of the articles on Wikipedia are cruft right along side of it. Where else will people go to get the full and complete crossovers of this shared reality? I could paste this into EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE that this relates to instead so that the full and complete information is available to the readers. This is relevant as the largest crossover group of series. - LA @ 20:29, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I will agree with you that half the articles on wikipedia are crufty...lol...that is all i will agree with you on--ChrisisinChrist comments and complaints here! 03:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how thorough your original research is- we still can't use it. See Wikipedia:No original research. Friday (talk) 19:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I DID NOT do any research of these crossovers other than to read Thom Holbrook's website, IMDb, and others and gathered that information together here to write this similar to a report. If I had watched all of these series and episodes and written this article after doing that, it could be considered OR. However, I have not seen over half of the series in this article. I didn't know that the crossovers existed prior to reading several websites about crossovers. Explain how I can be accused of OR when I didn't watch most of the series just reporting what others have found? - LA @ 20:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
1) Holbrook's website is not a reliable source; 2)"gathered that information together here to write this similar to a report" is another way of saying "synthesis": which is a form of original research. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] M*A*S*H*

FWIW, legally Trapper John, M.D. was determined to be a spinoff of the film and not the TV show. (It was a legal case about whether the creators of the first TV show had monetary rights to profits from the second one; it was found that they didn't.) Lawikitejana (talk) 05:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stop nitpicking and start writing

Please, you know the flaws, so FIX them so that this can be placed in article space. I invited people here to improve on this article not nitpick it. If you have no intention of helping make this article fly, please stop parroting what has already been said. I have taken this as far as I can alone, I have to rely on others to take it the rest of the way. I am so tired of seeing this torn down without any hint of anyone building it up. It is not helpful to point to a policy, what is helpful is actually adding to the article so that it can be placed in article space. - LA @ 21:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

This article will never be ready for article space. It starts from a flawed premise, and proceeds from there to the point of absurdity. Please devote this energy to something suitable for Wikipedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] there are a lot more crossovers

Hello Lady Aleena I just found your page and it's always nice to find someone who likes mapping out TV crossovers. However looking at your list I noticed that there were over 100 shows missing that are on the chart over at Tommy's Mind. Combined that with the over 100 shows in the journel and my list courently at 336 there could be well over 700 shows here. if you want my list just ask, good luck Lady —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rafff18 (talk • contribs) 03:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry that it has taken me so long to respond to you, I had nearly given up on this article in despair. There are over 50 series which the people over at Tommy Westphall's Mind include which Thom Holbrook does not due to their connection being through the series Hi Honey, I'm Home. That series takes the characters out of their originating reality and places them into another reality, therefor there is no crossover. If you could show me what you have, we could add them. Please state the series, episode, and what made the crossover. Thanks! - LA @ 12:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Criminal Minds and the rest of CBS

You asked for a list of crossovers with Criminal Minds. Having watched the show pretty religiously since at least halfway through season 1 I can tell you that there are none; that said, I can tell give you a good charting of the CBS crossovers (keep in mind that I don't watch all of CBS' shows, just most of them):

CSI --> CSI: Miami --> CSI: New York

|--> Without a Trace --> Cold Case

dethtoll (talk) 00:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Great for something else, not Wikipedia

I find the connections you make fascinating, but this is not for an encyclopedia of any sort; it's for a fan site. I would like to see your listing expanded -- and perhaps posted on a more specialized wiki, say for TV fans! -- and made possibly a trifle more clearer. The thing about the origin of probably all or most of these connections/crossovers has to do with the incestuousness of Hollywood; the writing/producing staff of one show can be fans or colleagues of another show. Many of your links are mere mentions; on a par with Allison DuBois on Medium reading Mode from Ugly Betty, or Ros Pritchard (The Amazing Mrs Pritchard) mentioning a meeting with former Prime Minister Jim Hacker (Yes, Minister); these are more like mere tips of the hat from one fan/writer to another. The real crossover happens perhaps producers' or writers' permission and possibly the actor's cooperation (or sometimes not, and is recast) -- when a character can move from one show to another, whether the two shows are produced by the same production company, housed at the same studio lot, or any other real-life connection; A creator's fancy can make a full literary connection happen. Along those same lines, some of your references make me scratch my head -- for example, are you sure Charles Kimbrough reprised his Murphy Brown role of Jim Dial as opposed to appearing as a similar, but generic, news anchor character? I'll take your word for it, but I'd like a little more explanation than having to go watch the show for myself. Despite any criticisms of mine -- wow! Incredible job! My hat off to you! Billbert12 (talk) 09:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree with Billbert here. I have a strong concern that this constitutes original research, specifically synthesis. In synthesis, you take multiple sources and bring them together to form a conclusion, in this case that dozens of shows are in the same universe due to crossovers. Now if you can find a secondary source that actually discusses this phenomenon, that would be ok. However, simply making the connections yourself is not appropriate for Wikipedia. You should consider submitting your article to a more specialized Wiki or publish it yourself. Wikipedia is not the place for it though. Redfarmer (talk) 11:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Redfarmer, the television series are the primary sources (what is actually seen on the television screen) with Poobala.com and Tommy Westphall's Mind being the secondary sources (commentating on what was on the television screen). So, do you want tertiary sources? - LA @ 13:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I never said a word about tertiary sources. I maintain my objection on the basis that you haven't proven your secondary sources are reliable, and they're certainly not an obviously reliable source like, say, The New York Times would be. Furthermore, in other cases, it has become obvious you are indeed engaging in original research, as judged by your question to Billbert below this one. Despite the fact that your sources (and no other source) mentions the "crossover" between Medium and Ugly Betty (which, as Billbert tried to explain to you, isn't a true crossover but a nod of the hat from the writers), you are determined to include it anyways. This is what original research is: bringing together information which has not been published in reliable third party sources and publishing it yourself on Wikipedia.
Judging by the number of people who have already told you almost the exact same things, I have a feeling you're not going to listen to anything any of us says, though, and it would take a AfD to convince you this is original research. Redfarmer (talk) 07:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Redfarmer, the purpose of this article is to be to show that the crossovers exist, that these series all share a reality, and when they appeared on the television screen. The reasoning behind the crossovers can then be included in the individual series articles. I am still not clear as to why what is shown on the television screen is not good enough. If the series is out on DVD or VHS, the crossover would be viewable by anyone who is interested in looking. Does it matter how significant a crossover is to include it here?
I used Tommy Westphall's Mind sparingly since it is a tad questionable. However, Poobala.com has gotten mentioned in the press, so I used it more, along with IMDb. I am going to keep this in my user space until I get a few nods from other editors. Hopefully, one day, this will be ready. It isn't at the moment. I am still hopeful that other editors will find this in progress article and help improve it in areas in which I can not. - LA @ 16:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Billbert, thank you for your comments, and I would like to know what episode of Medium showed Allison DuBois reading the fictional magazine Mode so that crossover can be included. - LA @ 13:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)