Talk:Lady Catherine Grey
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I believe she was not universally always known as Lady, and I believe she is recognizable without it. Therefore "Lady" shuld not be included in the article title (as the requirement for such inclusion is: person if universally recognised with it and their name is unrecognisable without it). It seems to me that recently, there has been sort of campaign by some users to put titulary into headings, without any solid support from naming conventions, and this here apparently is a part of such campaign. 217.140.193.123 02:34, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Dear Arrigo (and please remember to sign your name on all comments) I moved the page in accordance with naming conventions, which were discussed at length and agreed before you arrived on this project. You will note that the pages for her sisters, Lady Jane Grey and Lady Mary Grey, are similarly named, and the previous name of the article was inconsistent. Deb 21:57, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Firstly, I signed using four tildes. Your further demands (if exist) for signature are unfounded, and only make you appear worse.
I have read the agreed naming conventions, which clearly state that "lady" is included "if person is universally recognised with it and their name is unrecognisable without it". It is not very far to think that you Deb actually do not understand very much of the convention. And we others do not need to follow your ideas nor your "own" conventions, whatever such are.
It might be that Jane Grey and Mary Grey are in wrong location. Certainly, their locations are no argument here - sisters are not always known similarly.
Your tone in the comment reminds me of the thought of "the troll who got there first". 217.140.193.123 23:28, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Return
I think the earlier renaming was without any voting. Consistency is no reason if those other articles are in wrong places, and they may. We do not need to be "consistently wrong". Arrigo 12:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
- I have reverted this change. Deb 16:21, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Background of the case: the naming convention 6 for other non-royal names states "Courtesy titles (also referred to as an honorific prefix)² such as Lord or Lady differ from full titles because unlike full titles they are included as part of the personal name, often from birth. As such, they should be included in the article title if a person is universally recognised with it and their name is unrecognisable without it. For example, the late nineteenth century British politician Lord Frederick Cavendish was always known by that form of name, never simply Frederick Cavendish. Using the latter form would produce a name that would be unrecognisable to anyone searching for a page on Cavendish. Similarly, Lady Gregory, the Irish playwright, is more recognisable to readers than Augusta Gregory."
- You seem to feel you are some kind of arbiter here. You are not, and no one owes you an explanation. If you want facts, go and look at google. In the meantime, please remember to sign your posts. Deb 11:40, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Related Text
Not sure if it merits any link on this article but I just finished transcribing a manuscript that aparently belonged to Lady Catherine Grey (named in the document as "Countess Katherine Seymour Hertford").
The manuscript [1] is listed as University of Pennsylvania Ms. Codex 823. --Doc 16:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- It's very interesting. I agree, it's difficult to know whether a link is merited - I would say it depends whether how many other MSS are in existence that are known to belong to her. Presumably none? Deb 17:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup?
I've removed the cleanup tag that was placed, pending someone explaining what kind of cleanup they believe is required. Deb 16:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- You're absolutely right, I should have been more specific. I have added a more specific tag, believing that this article needs sections.Lilac Soul 17:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
