Talk:Lachrymology
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lachrymology is a hoax. not real.
If nothing else, we should say that lachrymology is a philosophy, not a religion. It is hardly an established religion.--Cassius987 19:21, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Lachrymology is a hoax made by Tool, or so has been mainly accepted. I quote this from The Tool Faq
It has been widely decided that "lachrymology," the science of crying as a therapy, is just another one of the elaborate wild tales Tool made up in order to keep us (or them) entertained.[...](Go ahead, do a web search for "lachrymology" and see how many non-Tool pages you find).
[...] At first, many Toolophiles went scrambling all over the place to find it, through the Library of Congress' catalogs, through used book stores, etc. No sign that it had ever existed. Then, in the Undertow-era bio on the band, the book was referred to in this manner:
"In the summer of 1948, Ronald P. Vincent, a crop-spray contractor, moved from Kansas to Hollywood after his wife had been dismembered in a bizarre snow plough accident. Inspired by the unrelenting pain he felt, Vincent penned his first and only book, 'A Joyful Guide to Lachrymology.'"
Based on that ... interesting ... story, many decided that the elusive book and religion were nothing but a red herring. After all, it is a story about a snowjob.
I really think this should be made clearer in the article. If no one proves me wrong in a week's time, I'll take the liberty of modifying slightly the beginning of the article to show this more strongly --Lacrymology 08:26:35, 2005-07-31 (UTC)
If anyone reads more than one paragraph into this article, they will be able to understand its true nature. However, just to clarify things, I changed "religion" to "pseudo-religion" in the first sentence as a kind of foreshadowing. Also, just because Lachrymology is not a "real" religion doesn't mean that its ideas are worthless and that these ideas had no effect on the band what-so-ever. I think that this article should walk that line of making it clear how it was a joke, but not writing it off as meaningless in the process. --JeffGirard
- of course. I do not think Lachrymology meaningless. Not for nothing it is my screen name. The misspell is also intentional--Lacrymology 15:31:10, 2005-08-02 (UTC)
- It is and has always been Tool's style to brilliantly mask serious insight creatively in jokes via symbolism... Intentionally vulgar and over-the-top sexuality (Stinkfist), excessive profanity and black-comedy (Aenima) have been used over and over throughout Tool's artistic history to conceal and yet accent the real message lying dormant within, waiting for anyone open-minded or humorous enough to see through and understand the true meaning in and behind the vulgarity. Lachrymology is much the same, and is simultaneously a humorous yanking of the chain of Tool fans and a serious message to thinkers and soul-searchers far and wide that pain and emotional-exertion (Jungian Abreaction), evident through tears or pineal-secretion, are self-justifying and central to the spiritual needs and pursuits of the universal humanity... Obviously I don't think Lachrymology is useless either, for I have worn an Eye of Horus around my neck since it replaced my cross at age 15. Why do you misspell it in your screen name? --JeffGirard
- Well, first it's kind of a joke since I am a spanish speaker, and the spelling in spanish would be 'Lacrimologia' and therefore the loss of the h. I keep the english look on it because in spanish people do a lot of the opposite with english words, for example the use of the verb chatear from the english 'to chat' that is used only for online chatting. I see it kind of a kind of joke attack against that. Also because the first time I read the definition of Lachrymology in TDN (I came to know tool very late, after Lateralus was out. That's what you get from living in the 3rd world) I felt quite identified with it (identified, not 'illuminated', note the difference) but with some of a difference tingling in the back of my mind that I couldn't quite grasp. All that together convinced me of keeping the misspell (originally it was a misspell). I have noticed that there's one guy who lives in Washington DC who uses the same screen name, and there's more than one webpage that makes the mistake. I guess it is a common enough misspell, and what as I saw as "subtlety" made it unoriginal --Lacrymology 02:46:25, 2005-08-03 (UTC)
- It is and has always been Tool's style to brilliantly mask serious insight creatively in jokes via symbolism... Intentionally vulgar and over-the-top sexuality (Stinkfist), excessive profanity and black-comedy (Aenima) have been used over and over throughout Tool's artistic history to conceal and yet accent the real message lying dormant within, waiting for anyone open-minded or humorous enough to see through and understand the true meaning in and behind the vulgarity. Lachrymology is much the same, and is simultaneously a humorous yanking of the chain of Tool fans and a serious message to thinkers and soul-searchers far and wide that pain and emotional-exertion (Jungian Abreaction), evident through tears or pineal-secretion, are self-justifying and central to the spiritual needs and pursuits of the universal humanity... Obviously I don't think Lachrymology is useless either, for I have worn an Eye of Horus around my neck since it replaced my cross at age 15. Why do you misspell it in your screen name? --JeffGirard
[edit] deleted phrase
why was
- In spite of this, many Tool fans cite themselves as "lachrymists" and claim to believe in the so-called religion.
deleted? --Lacrymology 13:14:32, 2005-08-03 (UTC)
- reversed it--Lacrymology 08:26:39, 2005-08-04 (UTC)
[edit] merge?
Should this article be merged with Tool's main page? It hardly seems necessary on its own, as it is inseparable from the band and is not a real practice. 74.70.171.36 15:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sure, though there may be length issues. Tool (band)#Etymology does contain information not found here, but lachrymology being a subsection of that doesn't really make sense. –Pomte 23:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
