Talk:L. Fletcher Prouty

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This page is biased to the right. For example, the use of scare quotes around the "global elite" phrase. I am thinking about editing this page.

How are those scare quotes? Reference to a global elite is ridiculous, and it's obvious Prouty wasn't the brighest bulb in the circuit (if you've read his JFK assassination book you'll know what I mean). I don't see it biased towards either side of the political spectrum, but biased towards the side of logic and rational thought. By the way, if it were biased to the right, it would be a glowing article talking about Prouty's examination of the truth behind certain events (as Prouty and his ilk are extreme right-wing). Prouty was not a man who took Occam's Razor to heart. Sign your comments in the future. GreatGatsby 21:47, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
"...as Prouty and his ilk are extreme right-wing..." Look, the Chipster (who is the source of all the bilge about Prouty being right-wing) thinks Ralph Nader and Ramsey Clark are right-wing. Prouty wasn't right-wing either. The only problem is the Chipster and those who take his Enver Hoxha worshipping ultraleftist dogma seriously. Such as yourself, for example.

Jim Garrison did meet Prouty, but not until well after the trial.

It's a disgrace that wikipedia has linked this page to Shinley and McAdams. These two "experts" are merely experts in the area of character assassination. Prouty was a man experience and knowledge, inventivity and honesty, and above all: somoene with an open mind. Yes, Prouty had an open mind about many ideas that differ from what is commonly accepted as true. Unfortunately, the simple-minded conformists among us will always characterize people as crackpots. If you want to know who Prouty was and what he truly represented, go out and read his works. His record is impeccable. To those who truly knew him, his credibilty is beyond question. Shame on the author.

It's a disgrace that wikipedia has linked this page to Shinley and McAdams. These two "experts" are merely experts in the area of character assassination. Prouty was a man of experience and knowledge, inventivity and honesty, and above all: someone with an open mind. Yes, Prouty had an open mind about many ideas that differ from what is commonly accepted as true. Unfortunately, the simple-minded conformists among us will always characterize such people as crackpots. If you want to know who Prouty was and what he truly represented, go out and read his works and study the man's career. His record is impeccable. To those who truly knew him, his credibilty is beyond question. Shame on the author.

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Prouty details the formation and development of the CIA, the origins of the Cold War, the Vietnam War, the John F. Kennedy assassination and other conspiracy theories. The CIA, the origins of the Cold War, the Vietnam War, and the John F. Kennedy assassination are conspiracy theories? Hmmm...


I worked for Col. L. Fletcher Prouty for 10 years. I knew him very well while I take the time to correct lies and slanderous links "wikipedia editor Gamaliel" contiues to delete them I can only conclude he condons the character assassination Or, like wikipedia itself has no idea about Col. Prouty or truth.

The Col. L. Fletcher Prouty Reference Site is available at www.prouty.org The problem is I can't correct errors fact or opinion because Gamaliel calls this vandalization. The whole idea here of correction is backwards. If I point out that Col. Fletcher had in fact met Jim Garrison in person, and in fact spoken to him many times, written many many letters back and forth.


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Below is a note about Fletcher Prouty not being the "brightest bulb in the circuit" by the user great gadsby and then has the nerve to say "Sign your comments in the future" What a joke, anyone knowing anything about Fletcher knows he is a critic of the CIA after working in the Pentagon for 9 years (1955-1964) of his 23 years in the military. He was the Focal Point officer between the CIA and the Air Force. He writes about what he experienced first hand. And he is not exteme right wing at all. That is if you knew him and I knew him very well, not this propoganda that wikipedia seems to have to allow or condon, I'm not sure which is which. Like I said if I correct or edit this page about Fletcher, User Gamaliel threatens I will be banned for vandalization.

Althought I did notice wikipedia editor Gamaliel has a NAZI swastika flag on his talk page. And if the great gadsby, and gamaliel request signing at least sign with your real name!

These are my comments, Len Osanic 70.71.5.183 20:27, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Your comments about vandalism are not quite correct. You are welcome to edit the article and add your comments here. What is vandalism is removing or altering the comments of others on this talk page and removing material from the article simply because you personally disapprove of it. I'm sorry you feel that those links are "slanderous", but WP articles must provide information from all sides of an issue, from both supporters and detractors. Gamaliel 05:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Disinformation links on Prouty

I agree with len Osanic that it's a disgrace that wikipedia has linked Prouty's page so prominently to McAdams and Shinley. I've noticed a tremendous effort to publish disinformation about the JFK assassination on the internet, in books and on major network programs in recent years. Here we are 42 years after the assassination and the cover-up continues. I'm very discouraged to learn that the editor who took issue with your corrections had a Nazi swastika on his page.

The McAdams page has misrepresentations of what Prouty said, which it then strikes down, such as that he claims to have bought and delivered the 3 'Bay of Pigs ships'. Wikipedia is often edited by people who want to discredit 'conspiracy nuts' such as those that want to claim that jet fuel won't burn steel, and that the twin towers falling at free-fall speed was somehow unusual, and that the 'plane that hit the Pentagon' should have been caught on tape... or that it was caught on tape but was confiscated. Those dang nutty conspiracy theorisers... User:Pedant 05:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This poorly worded sentence is hilarious.

“ Prouty details the formation and development of the CIA, the origins of the Cold War, the Vietnam War, the John F. Kennedy assassination and other conspiracy theories. ”

"... and other conspiracy theories"? This sentence needs to be reworded as the overall impression is that the CIA, the Cold War and the Vietnam War are conspiracy theories themselves. Whoever wrote this sentence needs to be slapped upside the head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.193.49.25 (talk • contribs)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make whatever changes you feel are needed. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in! (Although there are some reasons why you might like to…) The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. Gamaliel 21:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


No mention that Prouty was a West Point graduate, nor that he was a succesful tank officer in WW 2?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.126.132.34 (talk • contribs)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. Gamaliel 22:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Odd sentence

Some minor disagreement seems to be swirling around this sentence in particular: "He has repeated (with apparent approval[citation needed]) claims that Franklin Roosevelt did not die a natural death" - I would suggest that this be edited to something similar to "He claimed..."

I am not moving to edit it right away because I'm interested to see what the rationale for "(with apparent approval)" is. I think it would also be worthwhile to edit various actions attributed to him in the present tense to past tense. --Edwin Herdman 07:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, there is a citation for that assertion, which I posted. Prouty cites a report to this effect, and treats it as entirely reliable, expressing no skepticism. Here is the cited page. An editor can read it and judge whether there is "apparent approval:" http://www.prouty.org/coment11.html -- John McAdams

[edit] Misleading Paragraph needs editing

The paragraph that John McAdams added:

Prouty has taken controversial positions on a wide range of issues. He has repeated Stalin's claims that Franklin Roosevelt did not die a natural death, but rather was poisoned by Churchill.[citation needed] He subscribes to the theory that oil is not derived from fossils but from carbon deposits deep within the Earth (abiogenic petroleum origin theory)[citation needed] and that the U.S. government was responsible for the deaths of People's Temple members at Jonestown.[1]

has a couple of problems. First, by saying that Prouty "repeated" Stalin's claims, it makes it sound as if Prouty was making the same claims. That is false. Prouty simply cited Elliott Roosevelt's story about Stalin's claims, which by the way, was also written and signed by Elliott Roosevelt and appeared in the February 9, 1986 issue of the nationwide Sunday supplement magazine "Parade." If anything, that story belongs on the Elliott Roosevelt biography page, not Colonel Prouty's. Secondly, Prouty did not say, "the U.S. government was responsible for the deaths of People's Temple members at Jonestown." He did however, indicate that he suspected involvement of US Intelligence. It really feels like the truth is being stretched a little to portray Prouty as a kook, and that kind subjective tone doesn't belong in the article. --Zach 23:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Somebody (presumably a Prouty supporter) removed a link to my site from the "External links" section of the page. I've put it back, and hope you can protect it against future valdalism. Maybe you should just lock the page. (John McAdams)
Sorry, Wikipedia policies prohibit us from locking the page to protect a preferred version. I will try to keep a better eye on it though. Gamaliel (Angry Mastodon! Run!) 05:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
That will be appreciated. (John McAdams) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.247.65 (talk) 06:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hmm

Anyone got a reliable secondary source on his views on HIV/AIDS? John Nevard (talk) 15:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Something like this, for example, would probably not be acceptable. John Nevard (talk) 16:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)