Talk:L'Arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat

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Contents 1 All Wrong!? 2 Licensing 3 If I May 4 First Movie Ever? 5 Urban Legend ?

[edit] All Wrong!?

Urban legends spreading wildly?! This film was NOT screened on december 28th 1895. It is NOT listed among the ten films on the programme, as it is correctly indicated on the Lumière page, and shown at the Lumière Institute's homepage. In the two reference books I'm using (Bernard Chardère: Les Lumière; Rittaud-Hutinet: Le Cinéma des origines) there is no date of the first screening of this film. In Rittaud-Hutinet is an illustration of the film, with the note: "Arrivée d'un train à La Ciotat - 653 - (Louis Lumière) (1896-1897)". While the press reports about the first screening in december mention only the films on the list, L'Arrivée en Gare is quoted by two eye witnesses who attended screenings in January 1896, in Paris and Lyon (Chardère, p.102 and 105). Both of them were children at that time and interviewed many years later, so it's not such a precise information - but January 1896 seems the best guess. 1904.CC 01:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

And BTW:

It was first screened on December 28, 1895 in Paris, France, and was shown to a paying audience January 6, 1896.

As stated on the Lumière page, the screening on December 28 1895 wasn't a free screening - admission was charged (1 franc). At the day of the premiere, several other screenings were held. (Src: Rittaud-Hutinet, Jacques. (1985). Le cinéma des origines, p.32). It isn't very clear what the 6th January stands for (couln't find this date in my references).

[edit] Licensing

Previously a link to the video on youtube was removed citing "no license stated". I've re-instated it. The film was created in 1895. It's well and truly in the public domain now, no matter where it is being displayed. -- Ch'marr 21:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

reply: I'm afraid you're wrong, it's not in the public domain yet. Louis Lumière died in 1948. According to current copyright laws, his work will enter the public domain only 70 years after his death, which will be in... 2018! On the other hand given it's historical importance, it can be considered 'fair use' IMO. But archive.org would be a more suitable place to upload it than youtube... 1904.CC 00:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] If I May

help with something then let me correct this article´s heading. It correctly reads L´arrivée d´un train à la gare de la Ciotat. 80.219.135.11 10:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC) --Filmtechniker

Indeed the articles heading isn't capitalised correctly. According to most sources the french title is: L'arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat. La Ciotat takes a capitalised L because it's part of the town's name. Common names are usually not capitalised in french. In film titles, sometimes they are, and based on the reprints of the "programmes" of early screenings, capitalisation isn't always consistent. But the titles most often used are: L'arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat and Arrivée d'un train à La Ciotat.

So the title of the page should be changed either to:

L'arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat
or
L'Arrivée d'un Train en Gare de La Ciotat

bzzp 21:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First Movie Ever?

I've often seen this cited as the first cinema film ever screened to the public, although I have also heard that this is a popular misconception. Can anyone confirm or deny this? It seems highly relevant and worth adding to the article. I've also noticed a distinct lack of reference to this film in other Wikipedia articles on the history of film.86.141.145.124 13:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's a misconception: you can see the program of the Lumière's first screening here, and it doesn't include L'Arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat. They started with Workers Leaving the Lumiere Factory. Skarioffszky 12:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Urban Legend ?

The film is associated with an urban legend well-known in the world of cinema. The story goes that when the film was first shown, the audience was so overwhelmed by the moving image of a life-sized train coming directly at them that people screamed and ran to the back of the room.
Actually, what follows doesn't really disprove the fact that people screamed and ran away. Martin Loiperdinger has "doubted the veracity of the fact", but he wasn't born, how could he know ?
Anyway, even if it was a urban legend, there's no way we could be 100% sure about it, now. And "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ;)