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[edit] French spelling of article name

Shouldn't this page be titled "Léonin" (with accent), to be consistent with French spelling as well as the Pérotin page?

Yes; thanks for catching it. I'll fix it. Antandrus (talk) 15:02, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Is Leonin a first or last name?

Ummm... If Leonin is a first name, what is his last (family) name? Also, if Leonin is a last name, what is his first name? --154.20.102.96 20:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they had family names then (the article surname goes into some detail, but unfortunately not for names in French-speaking countries). As far as I know he was just Leonin, or sometimes Magister Leoninus (master Leonin) (modern equivalent "Leo", as far as I know). Antandrus (talk) 21:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

There's not much evidence or records of this guy other than the mention by Anonymous IV (and, of course, the music he wrote and left us), so nobody knows what his family name was, if indeed he had one. Sometimes people were named after the city from which they came, such as Leonardo da Vinci. His first name, though, appears to have been Léo, thus the Latin Leoninus (diminutive of Leo, thus "little Leo"). Doesn't the article explain this? Badagnani 21:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Include the spelling "Leonius" in article?

On one of my CDs I recently got, his name was spelled "Leonius". I only found this Wikipedia page after Googling "Leonius" and finding that it was one of four names associated with him (the other three - Léonin, Leo, and Leoninus are already in your article). Maybe including this alternate name would be helpful for people with no more to go on?

[By the way, the website I found through Google is: http://www.hoasm.org/IIC/Leonin.html Hope you find this helpful.]

Azaghal of Belegost 00:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

The musicologist Craig Wright apparently thinks that the contemporary poet Leonius was the same as the Leoninus mentioned by Anonymous IV. But I guess that isn't proven. This controversy could of course be mentioned in the article. http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:PH-2boaqasEJ:www.oup.com/us/brochure/0195169794/samplechapter.pdf+leonius+medieval+music&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9 Badagnani 00:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's a good idea. For now I put in the other names (Grove mentions them as well: indeed, their article is under "Leoninus" rather than "Léonin", but I think Léonin is the most commonly used name nowadays). Antandrus (talk) 00:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, Anonymous IV mentions L twice, once as Leoninus and once as Magister Leo. I think Leonin is fine for the title of the article. I would personally remove the accent mark from both Leonin and Perotin, but I just have a preference for Medieval spellings instead of modern wherever possible. (Zachara became Zácara at one conference and I was one of the "Remove the Accent!" crew). Oh, have you seen the "was Leonin gay?" article? -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 17:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

If anyone reading this is interested in Leonius, alleged inventor of Leonine verse and author of an Historia Sacra (maybe identical to the subject of this article, as Craig Wright may suggest, maybe not), please have a look at Talk:Leonine verse and see if you can help me with the difficulties I've raised there. Wareh 20:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)