Talk:Légion d'honneur

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An event mentioned in this article is a May 19 selected anniversary

Ok, according to the article, France awarded Legion membership to all those who fought on French soil during the first World War. Does this include former German soldiers, who were France's enemies?The Holy Hand Grenade Attack Llama#42 19:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] It is Legion of Honour, it is a translation of a french word!

The rules are:

Exceptions. The word glamour comes from Scots, not Latin or French, and is usually spelled glamour (rarely glamor) in the U.S. and glamour always elsewhere else; saviour is a common variant of savior in the U.S.; the name of the herb savory is thus spelled everywhere (although the probably related adjective savo(u)ry does have a u in Britain.)

Robert Prummel 00:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you arguing against Legion of Honor? If so, how often does the article use the English translation???Morstar (talk) 07:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

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The Legion of Honour is the most interesting of the European Orders because of frequent changes of its appearance due to different regimes which conferred it. Where is that part of the article?

User:Alexvonf

          • I tried to work this out, copyright problems are a barrier...

Robert Prummel 01:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order Quota

The article cites a maximum quota of members. Does anyone know what happens when all of the positions have been awarded? Does yet another Order succeed it? I don't know how frequently these are handed out, but it doesn't look like it will be too long before those numbers are reached. --BDD 19:21, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

People tend to be fairly old before being granted senior honours, so it's possible that the numbers will remain fairly constant.

[edit] "de jure"

When it says "dismissed 'de jure'" does this mean by action of law? Or must there be some sort of action or proceeding separate from the conviction? --Daniel C. Boyer 19:44, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination and Eligability ?

This article doesn't say anything about the nature of nominations ? Is this simply the gift of the President of France (like the Royal Victorian Order) or is there some sort of advisory council like in the Order of Canada ? Dowew 15:51, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Foreign recipients

I though that foreigners could only became Chevalier's in the Legion of Honor. This must be incorrect since Lucien Bouchard was made a Commander (my personal feelings for Bouchard aside) I wonder why this was allowed. Dowew 22:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

        • Foreigners can be awarded the insignia of all 5 classes!

Robert Prummel 01:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Interesting that you say that, my father was made a Chevalier, and was later told that it could not be upgraded as he had won it for military service. Not sure where that leads, but...
--Purple Aubergine 21:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Boulogne

The handling in Boulogne (picture) was the second and not the first one. The first one took place on July 15, 1804 in the chapel of Les Invalides. See [1]

        • Then i will correct it!

Robert Prummel 01:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

  • Support rename to Légion d'honneur, not least as "Legion of Honor" might suggest all who've received the Medal of Honor or similarly-named decorations. Regards, David Kernow 00:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I support Légion d'honneur! Maybe the best solution is to send all those who try and find Legion of Honour and legion of Honor to a page where they can decide between the Legion of Honor ( Order of the republic of the Phillipenes); Legion of honor ( Legion of Honour or Légion d'honneur in France) and end up on the propper sites. Robert Prummel 01:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
  • comment - BTW There are an awful lot of redirects to fix here see Legion of Honor (disambiguation) what links here Jooler 10:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support with redirects from Legion of Honor and Legion of Honour. The Philippine one can be on the disamb page that is already linked to on the top. -- RevRagnarok Talk Contrib Reverts 10:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - This article also needs a little TLC. --AlexDW 12:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neutral Spelling

Since this seems to be the subject of many edits and reverts, in the interest of neutrality, I've replaced all instances of "Legion of Hono(u)r" with the French "Légion d'honneur," and all other instances of hono(u)r with an appropriate synonym such as decoration or distinction, except in the translation of the Legion's motto. Since the shortened form ("Legion") is dialect-neutral, I've left it the way it is. I've also made various grammatical edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.195.134.10 (talk • contribs)

Thanks, 72.195.134.10; I'd been meaning to suggest what you've done. I've gone one step further and renamed all instances of "Legion" to "Légion" where the former is used as shorthand for "Légion d'honneur". Best wishes, David Kernow 02:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, David. I just realized that I forgot to sign that last comment, and was going to fix it! Oh well.

--72.195.134.10 02:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC) Joe (aka 72.195.134.10 ;-) )

Based on Wikipedia:Naming conventions that says "article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize," this should be changed to Legion of Honor. Such changes have and are being made to other foreign-language articles such as this one [2] from Académie des Sciences to French Academy of Sciences. C. C. Perez 11:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

But there is also an article "Legion of Honor", referring to something of the Philippines. Extremely sexy 15:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit No. 66466235

Sorry I was a bit ambiguous with the edit summary The Legion does act like a "Order of Chivalry". But that needs a cite, since French official literature call it plainly an "Order" or "the national order of merit". Please disregard "French official literature" and read "what I've seen on the Order". In particular the Legion of Honour's official history page (in French), in the paragraph about the 1960s.

Mr Bluefin 03:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Civil order ?

The Légion is not a civil decoration, nor a military one ; it encompass both. The ordre du Mérite works the same way. IMHO, both shouldn't be classified in [[Category:Civil decorations of France]]. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.103.83.35 (talk) 17:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Medal Ribbons

There does not appear to be any mention of the ribbons that can be worn when in civilain dress for members of the Order. I know that a Chevalier can wear a red ribbon in his/her lapel button hole, but am not sure about the other ranks.
--Purple Aubergine 21:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other French Orders

When the National Order of Merit replaced the ministerial orders, did appointments to the order stop? There is this Canadian link listing someone being made a Chevalier of the Order of Agricultural Merit in 2000: [3] Dowew 03:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The National Order of Merit does not replace all other awards, it just replaces very particular medals. As of today, according to [4], the orders are:
  • Ordre national de la Légion d'Honneur
  • Ordre du Mérite Agricole
  • Ordre du Mérite Maritime
  • Ordre de la Libération
  • Ordre des Palmes Académiques
  • Ordre des Arts et des Lettres
  • Ordre national du Mérite
The Journal officiel has a section, Bulletin officiel des décorations, médailles et récompenses, which lists promotions for the Ordre du Mérite agricole (Order of Agricultural Merit), Ordre des Arts et Lettres (Order of Arts and litterature) and Ordre des Palmes Académiques (Order of Academic Achievements) [5]. Rama 08:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
That explains that then. Thanks Dowew 01:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Romeo LeBlanc

I found an issue of the Canada Gazette that lists the Canadian Government allowing the French Government to invest former Governor General Romeo LeBlanc as a "Grand Cross of the Order of the Legion of Merit"...does anyone know if this means the Legion of Honour or the National Order of Merit" ? I have tried searching for the French edition of the publication but can't find it. Dowew 01:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

It actually lists him as "Grand Officer of the Order of the Legion of Merit", it is from Sept 28th 2002 [6] Dowew 01:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, both the english and french versions list the appointment like this...although other appointments call it the order of legion of honour or national order of merit...so it is strange this one would be different [7] Dowew 01:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that it refers to the Ordre du mérite, but I havent found Mr. LeBlanc in the Journal officiel which informs of these matters. My guess is that Mr LeBlanc was also promoted to Knight of the Order of the Legion of the Bad Copy-Paste :) Rama 07:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I must say you are a funny man. Extremely sexy 22:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "equivalent of the British Victoria Cross and George Cross combined"

I have removed "It is the French equivalent of the British Victoria Cross and George Cross combined" which is rubbish. Knights and officers are more equivalent to the UK's MC, possibly the CGM, while the higher ranks are more honorific (awarded to generals etc.). The Legion of Hounour is better compared to the Order of the British Empire. Mesoso 12:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)